Arabic TV explains why Saddam's execution was so

[Noah]

Hey guys,

Was watching Arabic TV & the reason (they claim) the execution was so messed up and done unproffessionally was because militias got rid of the executioners, don't know how, and took their places instead & they're suspected to be of the Mehdi army or close to them because they were shouting 'Moqtada'...And 2 people filmed the footage on their mobiles were also with this group and that's why there were so many masked men when really all you need is 3/4 maximum.

Thoughts?

[An archist]

If that was the case wouldn't the Iraqi government say so?
Now they get all the Sunnite rage over them.

[liberdade]

i just think its funny that the US was so adomint about getting rid of Saddam when we founded and gave him all his weapons. Maybe what he did was wrong but once again here is a clear example of the US backing one of the worst dictators and then coming in years later and taking him out...whos the next dictator we are gonna put it.

Also another thing is that all we have successfully done in Iraq is created another Israel, where constent bombings and suicide bombings take place, we created a monster civil war and now the US has no idea what to do....

[Xiao Banfa]

Why did they have to choose such a humilliating death?

[Severian]

Originally posted by Noah(pbuh)@January 03, 2007 01:21 pm
Hey guys,

Was watching Arabic TV & the reason (they claim) the execution was so messed up and done unproffessionally was because militias got rid of the executioners, don't know how, and took their places instead & they're suspected to be of the Mehdi army or close to them because they were shouting 'Moqtada'...
I've seen this reported elsewhere, that they're shouting Moqtada al-Sadr's name. Haven't watched the video myself, and don't know Arabic anyway.

But couldn't this more simply be explained if the executioners were also militia, probably Mahdi Army - not that "militias got rid of the executioners"?

By all accounts the militias, including Sadr's Mahdi Army, have a lot of people in the Iraqi army and especially police.

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[razboz]

I heard one person got arrested for taking the video.

If the executoion was scheduoled anyway, why did anyone want ot replace the executioners. It would have just been safer to let him die. Also if they "got rid of the executioners" how come no one noticed earlier? Like when he was getting executed or before or right after- not a week later.

Pity it didnt turn out more like this. (http://tomraworth.com/hang/hang.html)

[Vargha Poralli]

If my calculations come correct Saddam will be considered as Martyr among Sunni Muslims within the fall of this year. I shudder at how Al-Qaeda a wahhabi fundamentalist organisation will react to this. :(

[dso79]

I shudder at how Al-Qaeda a wahhabi fundamentalist organisation will react to this.

Some Islamists are probably happy about it, but most of them don’t seem to care at all. Al-Qaeda never liked Saddam.

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 11:43 pm

I shudder at how Al-Qaeda a wahhabi fundamentalist organisation will react to this.

Some Islamists are probably happy about it, but most of them don’t seem to care at all. Al-Qaeda never liked Saddam.
Not every Muslim is a Sunni.Saddam is a Sunni Muslim.Obviously Shias will be happy so do the Kurds.Thats the main intention of U.S.Divide and rule policy.


Al-Qaeda never liked Saddam.

They hate US more than Saddam.They see this as yet another disrespect to a Muslim sovereign nation by US.They have already proved their capacity in destructing life(Theirs and others).Obviously US and all its cronies who had welcomed this must have to be much cautious.

[Severian]

Well, I listened to the video. Even without knowing Arabic, you can definitely hear them chanting "Moqtada." Also something about Mohammed Sadek Al-Sadr, Moqtada Al-Sadr's father, an ayatollah who Saddam had murdered in 1980.

Everything about the video says: We, the Shi'a sect, we have the power now at last.


Some Islamists are probably happy about it, but most of them don’t seem to care at all. Al-Qaeda never liked Saddam.

But they hate the Shi'a a lot more. This will be taken as another provocation in the sectarian war.


I heard one person got arrested for taking the video.

Kinda like how after Abu Ghraib - they came out with a rule against digital cameras. Implies the problem isn't what happened - just that it was filmed. Don't get caught!

Now, here's the more difficult question: they're broadcasting part of the cellphone video on ABC News, even. And editorializing about it, pretty up front, saying: what kind of democracy is being built in Iraq?

So you gotta ask: why is there so much opposition to this in the ruling class? Why is so much of the bourgeois media practically campaigning around this?

I think partly they're alarmed by what this says about Sadrist infiltration of the cops and army. How much power the Sadrists have, even with their ministers currently resigned in protest over Maliki meeting with Bush.

Washington's clearly been headed towards some kind of crackdown on the Sadrists, if they can get SCIRI and some other Iraqi forces to help with it. Probably this will intensify it.

[Tekun]

Any mention of the presence of Maliki?
I heard he was present during the execution, and when he saw what was going down (the taunting) he almost walked out, and if he had done that, the execution would have been terminated
I guess the taunting didn't bother him that much :rolleyes:

[RevMARKSman]

Originally posted by Tino [email protected] 03, 2007 04:42 pm
Why did they have to choose such a humilliating death?
And the religious "comrade" once again shows his true colors--support for a "brother in God."

[Andy Bowden]

The one thing I find quite ironic is that the video of his execution, both the way it was filmed and carried out did actually bear more than a passing resemblance to the videos released by Zarqawi where western hostages are executed.

Other peoples points in this thread are I think, basically correct - Saddam (and some of his cohorts, who are due to be executed) are being murdered as an act of revenge and to stoke the sectarian war in Iraq.

[razboz]

Originally posted by Andy [email protected] 05, 2007 12:43 pm
The one thing I find quite ironic is that the video of his execution, both the way it was filmed and carried out did actually bear more than a passing resemblance to the videos released by Zarqawi where western hostages are executed.

Other peoples points in this thread are I think, basically correct - Saddam (and some of his cohorts, who are due to be executed) are being murdered as an act of revenge and to stoke the sectarian war in Iraq.
Why would the Iraqi government and the US presence want to stoke sectarian violence? Would this not be counterproductive to governing iraq? I can understand the acto of revenge bit though.

[Andy Bowden]

Why would the Iraqi government and the US presence want to stoke sectarian violence? Would this not be counterproductive to governing iraq?

Divide and rule?

[razboz]

Originally posted by Andy [email protected] 05, 2007 12:56 pm

Why would the Iraqi government and the US presence want to stoke sectarian violence? Would this not be counterproductive to governing iraq?

Divide and rule?
Except when its your soldiers in the crossfire. they may be cold calculating bastards, loss of life means loss of votes.

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by razboz+January 05, 2007 07:22 pm--> (razboz @ January 05, 2007 07:22 pm)
Andy [email protected] 05, 2007 12:56 pm

Why would the Iraqi government and the US presence want to stoke sectarian violence? Would this not be counterproductive to governing iraq?

Divide and rule?
Except when its your soldiers in the crossfire. they may be cold calculating bastards, loss of life means loss of votes. [/b]

loss of life means loss of votes.

Any way they control the resources and IIRC Bush is a partner in a oil corporation. any way american presidents can stand only twice.So i doubht they will care for votes any more.

[razboz]

Originally posted by g.ram+January 05, 2007 02:37 pm--> (g.ram @ January 05, 2007 02:37 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 07:22 pm

Andy [email protected] 05, 2007 12:56 pm

Why would the Iraqi government and the US presence want to stoke sectarian violence? Would this not be counterproductive to governing iraq?

Divide and rule?
Except when its your soldiers in the crossfire. they may be cold calculating bastards, loss of life means loss of votes.

loss of life means loss of votes.

Any way they control the resources and IIRC Bush is a partner in a oil corporation. any way american presidents can stand only twice.So i doubht they will care for votes any more. [/b]
It is important to remember that Bush is the Republican president and the is associated with the Republican Party. If Bush does stufff the American public like then its more votes for the Republicans next elections, whoever their candidate is...

[Andy Bowden]

Except when its your soldiers in the crossfire. they may be cold calculating bastards, loss of life means loss of votes.

So far the majority of the victims of the sectarian Civil War have been Iraqis. Can you imagine how much more US troops would be killed if there was a united Iraqi front against the US occupation?

[Severian]

It's also important to remember the U.S. government is not an omnipotent god and does not control everything.

Certainly their policies in Iraq have been "divide-and-rule", beginning with the first Governing Council they set up, where every member represented some religious sect or ethnic group. (And yes, certainly the current situation is better for Washington than united opposition to its presence.)

But this plays on deep pre-existing divisions, and by now certainly the sectarian warfare by now has taken on a life of its own. Probably they did not plan this execution to occur this way. Reportedly, in fact, the U.S. recommended postponing it.

I haven't seen anything indicating Maliki was present.

[Wash Me]

i dont know..