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Sentinel
2nd January 2007, 20:04
I just got my hands on the swedish version of this book, in english called Atheist Manifesto: The case against Christianity, Judaism and Islam by Michel Onfray.

The original title in french is: Traite d'athéologie. Physique de la metaphysique.

So, I was wondering if anyone here has already read it, and has comments on it. At the first look it seems both extremely interesting and brutally accurate in it's attacks against religion: according to Onfray (my translation from the swedish review), only with a consistently worldly point of view can mankind win back it's freedom and joy of life, 'in a genuinely secular society where the body no longer is a punishment, the world a valley of tears, life a disaster, pleasure a sin, the women a curse and the intellect arrogance'.

I will post a personal review of the book after reading it.

RevolutionaryMarxist
3rd January 2007, 01:53
I'll look into it, sounds interesting.

Pow R. Toc H.
3rd January 2007, 02:04
I guess it sounds cool but why do you have to read a book on about something that you know doesnt exist? I no that there isnt any god, I dont need a book telling me theres not. It would be like a book disproving ghosts. I know ghosts already dont exist I dont need a book to tell me that, Ya Dig?

Sentinel
3rd January 2007, 08:59
The book isn't trying to disprove anything, it's a book for atheists and takes for granted that the reader is free from delusions, or at least strives to so become. Rather, it discusses the problems 'faith', organised 'faith' in particular, causes to individuals as well as mankind as a whole. Neither is it an attack on 'spiritual' individuals, for whom the author feels pity, but on their organised deceivers which he hates.

It calls for a new age of rational enlightenment, to counter the once again increasing global influence of the mental epidemics called religions, and their instigators.

I've read the first chapter now and I must say this is 'good stuff' so far. :)

Pow R. Toc H.
3rd January 2007, 17:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 08:59 am
it discusses the problems 'faith', organised 'faith' in particular, causes to individuals as well as mankind as a whole.

It calls for a new age of rational enlightenment, to counter the once again increasing global influence of the mental epidemics called religions, and their instigators.

Isnt this the reason that you became an atheist? I would think that you should already know this. What other reason would you have to be an atheist if not because you realize how irrational organized religion is?

Anyway I'm not trying to say that your stupid for reading this book even if just gives you a better grasp or understanding of atheism and organized religion, Im sure its worth it.

Sentinel
3rd January 2007, 17:23
Not all atheists are militant in nature and realise the importance of actually fighting superstition. Many unfortunately feel an obligation to respect organised irrationality for various reasons, and that's where this book has potential make an impact. It undermines those reasons and proves their illogic.

Personally I'm also reading it because it's hard and rare to find published writings of my likes on these questions, and I'm always on the look for new arguments to use in debate. Not that there ever was a shortage of them against the apologists for religion. ;)

Pow R. Toc H.
3rd January 2007, 23:01
Yeah dude, I see what your saying.

Yeah man whenever you wanna debate anything just let me know.

Alright,
Peace.