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Sugar Hill Kevis
2nd January 2007, 16:42
full article, Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1981025,00.html)



Two men stand working in the afternoon sun just yards from the US-Mexico border. Clad in hard hats and work shirts, tool belts slung around their waists, they have been toiling at this spot in the Arizona desert since early October.

One holds an iron stanchion while the other bolts a horizontal bar to it. But before the joint can be tightened, the whole structure starts to sway. A shout goes up: "Watch out!" The five metre pole lurches toward the dry red earth, bringing its neighbour down with it. The latest weapon in the fight against undocumented migrants looks a little shaky.

The iron and steel fence is the latest project from the Minutemen, the volunteer group of anti-immigration activists that has placed itself at the sharp end of the immigration debate since launching a highly publicised series of border watches in 2005. Now, frustrated at what the group sees as the inaction of government, it has taken matters a step further, building its own border fence at a cost of around $1m (£510,000) at one of the busiest points on the line, 90 miles from Tucson.

"It's not only a symbol, although its creation is symbolic of something," says Al Garza, national executive director of the Minuteman Civil Defence Corps. "It's saying: Congress, Mr President, we've pleaded, now we're demanding. You've told us it can't be done, well we're just a handful of people and we're doing it."

Wearing a white Stetson and bearing a crisply trimmed white moustache, Mr Garza is the picture of a border activist. A retiree who moved to Arizona from California less than four years ago, he served in the US Marine Corps and worked as a private investigator in California for 35 years.

"We know that the observation won't quash or deter immigration," he says, "so we thought what was the alternative: a fence."

But there is a flaw in the Minutemen's plan. While the US-Mexico border stretches for 1,993 miles, from California to Florida, the Minuteman fence when finished will be just one mile long.

I find it quite remarkable that the Minutemen believe taking one mile out of nearly 2000 will somehow halt or significantly curb the the entrance of immigrants in to America they must be 'sadly' mistaken...

That being said, is it realistic to think this will impact the US govt to take more drastic measures on border control?

AmerGuerilla
2nd January 2007, 17:03
That being said, is it realistic to think this will impact the US govt to take more drastic measures on border control?

Definetly not. examples the capitalist govt of america relies on these immigrants for cheap labor and thats proven by the number of employers arrested which is a very small number, I think in 2004 out of all the thousands of immigrants arrested only 3 employers had to pay a fine!

Fawkes
2nd January 2007, 21:03
What the hell kind of fence is that? 1 million dollars for 1 mile? What, is it fifty feet high?

Janus
2nd January 2007, 23:32
That being said, is it realistic to think this will impact the US govt to take more drastic measures on border control?
Probably not, those fences probably won't be very effective or last long anyways. However, as the Minutemen continue to committ such actions and draw more attention, I think we may get more and more anti-immigrant politicians in office in the coming years.

Morag
3rd January 2007, 01:04
Well, if the fence covers an area that is attractive for the use of illegal immigration for whatever reason (geography, local demographics, roads, ect), then the fence could cause the flow of immigrants to go elsewhere to cross, possibly to areas that are patrolled more often or are harder to cross. The article says that the fence is being constructed in the busiest area on the border with Arizona, but then the article also says :


While the US-Mexico border stretches for 1,993 miles, from California to Florida, the Minuteman fence when finished will be just one mile long.

and I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.

Jazzratt
3rd January 2007, 01:44
Originally posted by Freedom for [email protected] 02, 2007 09:03 pm
What the hell kind of fence is that? 1 million dollars for 1 mile? What, is it fifty feet high?
Probably, the minutemen are a bunch of nutjobs that probably thing mexicans can jump up to 45ft or some stupid crap like that.

Of course this clearly illustrates the insanity of capitalism, I'd guess that the land on which they're building that fence is in some way their 'property' and therfore they can do whatever bigoted crap they want with it. It's like letting a Grand wizard own a secluded bit of forest for fuck's sake.

Janus
3rd January 2007, 08:15
The article says that the fence is being constructed in the busiest area on the border with Arizona
One of the busiest areas at the moment. The border is fluid like a balloon when force is applies to one area; another area will simply expand and since this fence is only going to be 1 mile, it won't even cause a dent at all. Rather, the Minutemen are simply going to be wasting their money which is probably a good thing.


I'd guess that the land on which they're building that fence is in some way their 'property'
Either that or the owners have grown sympathetic to their cause due to the growing immigrant problem.

Sugar Hill Kevis
3rd January 2007, 11:59
on the property note; I think it says somewhere in the article that the fence is built on a private ranch... so I suppose whatever oil millionaire owns that wants to stop those immigrants jumping up and down 45 feet in his 'back yard'

razboz
3rd January 2007, 13:28
It is interesting that the material these people are using t mke the fence was prbably made by illegal migrants. Another interesting thought is that the Illegals could probably make it faster better and cheaper.