Saving the rainforest through militant action?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Do you think it is possible to save the rainforest through militant action in the actual areas where the massacre is happening?

[cumbia]

Yes. Form a Milita, set up camp, arm yourself. When The Bulldozers come refuse to leave and show them your guns to prove you serious. These corporate machines arent going to risk a gun battle with activist, it could damage their reputation.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Where are the activists supposed to come from? Local areas? The West?

[Whitten]

Its feasible. Its in many ways the best enviroment for such action. Unparraleled ability to hide, retreat, and evade, and they'd never see you comming. The biggest problem would be popular support in a largely uninhabited area. I dont know much about this but dont many of the natives in the Amazon reguarly have fights with some corporations who are bulldozing their lands? Maybe they'd be willing to assist in some form?

It has prospect, but I'd rather fight for people than trees and I think most people would feel the same.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

It has prospect, but I'd rather fight for people than trees and I think most people would feel the same.

I understand the sentiment, and to some extent I feel the same, but let us see what Stephen Hawkings have said:


The China Daily asked Hawking about the environment, and he responded that he was "very worried about global warming." He said he was afraid that Earth "might end up like Venus, at 250 degrees Celsius and raining sulphuric acid." [6] In the light of this discussion Hawking asked an open question on Yahoo Answers "How can the human race survive the next hundred years?" and received well over 25,000 responses [7]. The validity of the question was confirmed by Hawking himself and the Yahoo Answers staff. An answer has already been chosen.

In an ABC News interview in August 2006, Hawking explained, "The danger is that global warming may become self-sustaining, if it has not done so already. The melting of the Arctic and Antarctic ice caps reduces the fraction of solar energy reflected back into space, and so increases the temperature further. Climate change may kill off the Amazon and other rain forests, and so eliminate one of the main ways in which carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere. The rise in sea temperature may trigger the release of large quantities of methane, trapped as hydrates on the ocean floor. Both these phenomena would increase the greenhouse effect, and so further global warming. We have to reverse global warming urgently, if we still can."

Will people be able to "help themselves" if not nature is helped at the same time? If nature goes to hell, so will we, human beings.

We are part of nature, it is part of our "tissue", kind of like how a fetus is connected with the mother by its umbilical cord. Inseparable, indivisible from nature. We breath the air, and air is being polluted. We drink H2O, and without it, we will not exist. Our bodies are literally built up by plants and animals, and much of what we eat has already been filled up with toxity.
Try holding your breath, and see how long you will last. Imagine if that air does not longer exist, mutilated to such an extent that it cannot be breath by living creatures.

[Whitten]

Ofcourse I see what your saying, and i somewhat agree with it. However, while the Rainforests themselves are ofcourse vital components in maintaining a stable enviroment, deforestation, whether by logging or enviromental effects, which in turn causes enviromental effects, isnt the primary cause of global warming, if I understand it correctly, burning fossile fuels is.

Would it not, then, make more sense to try to do something about that industry? Sorry if I misunderstood what your original post's meaning.

[Janus]

You mean like through monkeywrenching,etc.?

Certain groups and people participate in such activities though they rarely win much sympathy. But groups that use the legal front are not always successful either. I think that the best we can do right now is raise awareness on this issue but also use it as an arguement against capitalism itself and get to the root of the problem by confronting the latter.