Russian fascism

[Springmeester]

Russia: Rights Groups Say Fascism, Racism Flourishing

By Claire Bigg

Russia may seem like an unlikely breeding ground for neo-Nazism considering the devastation German Nazi troops wrought on the country. On the eve of the 60th anniversary of the end of the Second World War, however, Russian human rights groups are warning of growing ultra-nationalist feelings in the country. RFE/RL correspondent Claire Bigg reports from Moscow.

Moscow, 5 May 2005 (RFE/RL) -- As Russia prepares to commemorate the victory over Nazi Germany in World War II, Russian human rights activists are denouncing what they call an upsurge of racism, xenophobia, and neo-Nazism in the country.

Speaking at a news conference in Moscow yesterday, the activists called on Russians not to forget that the Soviet Union also repressed, deported, and massacred ethnic minorities.

Alla Gerber, who heads the Holocaust Foundation in Moscow, said that despite the defeat of Nazi Germany, fascism is deeply ingrained in the Russian mindset. Fascism is a broad term used in Russia to describe any xenophobic attitude, including Nazism.

"We have gathered today on the eve of Victory Day because fascism was not defeated at the root, in the conscience of people, because fascism was always associated with the invaders," Gerber said. "Hitler's Germany was fascist, yes, but we haven't done anything, said anything about the country we lived in, and what happened to us, and today we are witnessing the consequences."

At the news conference, the Moscow Bureau for Human Rights released a report on racism, xenophobia, and neo-Nazism in Russia based on the results of recent opinion polls.

According to the report, half of Russians consider that foreigners in Russia have "too much power" and say they are ready to support measures limiting the presence of nationals from former Soviet Central Asian countries.

The reports also showed that one-third of Russians described neo-Nazis as "cleansers of society" while 43 percent of respondents said they were disturbed by the presence of foreign nationals in Russia.

Participants at the conference said xenophobic feelings were exacerbated by the Beslan hostage tragedy in September. That attack, in which more than 330 people were killed, was blamed on militants linked to the Chechen rebel movement.

Meanwhile, reports of attacks on foreigners have multiplied in recent months -- the latest on 2 March, when two Algerian students were beaten up in the Moscow metro. Both suffered minor injuries.

Others, however, have not been so lucky.

Last year in Moscow and St. Petersburg, a Georgian man was stabbed to death, a Vietnamese student was murdered, an Uzbek migrant worker was beaten and stabbed to death, and a 9-year-old Tajik girl was killed in front of her father by a band of teenagers armed with knifes and chains.

In most cases, witnesses described the assailants as "skinheads."

The authorities, however, often file such attacks under "hooliganism," a charge that angers human rights groups.

Aleksandr Brod, the director of Moscow Bureau for Human Rights, denounced what he calls a lack of political will to fight ultranationalists groups in Russia.

"Russia doesn't have any planned government policy to counter racism, xenophobia, and neo-Nazism," Brod said. "Looking at these brown [racist] newspapers, we see that hundreds of books promoting pogroms and Nazism and dozens of videos are being released and actively sent to libraries, schools, and higher-education institutions. But where is the governmental program to issue antifascist films and books?"

Like many human rights advocates, Brod said the Russian government turns a blind eye to the activities of ultranationalist groups in order to promote its own interests.

"We have the impression that the presence of these brown [racist] forces is very beneficial to someone. This is a well-tested method: neo-Nazi forces, publications, and groups are supported, an atmosphere of fear is created, and then the conclusion is made that the current president is needed otherwise a fascist president will come to power."

The wave of attacks has already forced a number of foreign students in Russia to drop out of university and go home.

In March alone, 15 students from Arab countries abandoned their studies in St. Petersburg and left Russia following a series of attacks on foreigners.

For some time now I have been worried about the growing fascist movement in Russia. A comrade of mine told me that the situation has become so dramatic that komsomol-members (communist youth movement) are forced to move around armed to protect themselves from neo-nazi groups.

I was wondering what is currently being done by the revolutionary leftists in Russia, how they organize & how they fight back. So if there are any Russian comrades on the board who can explain the situation to me I would appreciate it.

Also I want to encourage everyone to express his concerns on this matter.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2006 06:08 pm
I was wondering what is currently being done by the revolutionary leftists in Russia,
Practically Nothing.
The forward thinking ones are planning their funerals. Some of the better off have left russia, or got away from Moscow.

Well, maybe it's not quite that bad, yet. They hold the odd illegal demo, with attendance rarely getting into double figures. Antifa do some covert action, and defend the odd punk gig.

Other than that. Nothing. The far right control the streets, murdering communists and immigrants regularly, and without police reprisal.


how they organize & how they fight back.

Again, there isn't much to discuss. There isn't really any mobilisation worth examining.

[Springmeester]

But the communist partys are huge, right?

[mac1905]

But the communist partys are huge, right?
Yes it is the Ziuganow party claims to be 700.000 and Tiulkin 50.000. But The Communist Party of Russsian Federation as was written in Weekly Worker took agreement with facist Movement Against Illegal Immigration and they stand together in elections. Is it true? If yes that's a real drama.

The russian facist even aren't scary of the authorities as they post films from attacks on the people on the internet. They sometimes attack 6 on 1.

For me everyone killed by nazis scumbags is much, but the victims I remember most was the 9-years old Tajik girl and petersburg anarchist Timur Karachava. On the film of neonazi group one bonehead splited on the picture of Timur which was on the place of his death.

Also there were recents attacks on meetings of Awangarda Krasnoj Molodiozy.

They are nearly unpuished although sometimes Antifa, Limonov guys, AKM or immigrants from Caucasia are taking revenge on them.

[An archist]

Yeah, I saw a documentary about the russian nazis.
Crazy stuff; like the the three nazis who attacked a Tajik father and his 2 children, killing his eight year old daughter. They were sentenced to 1.5 years of prison for hooliganism!!

[Dimentio]

The question is not "Spain '36, Russia '07", but "Germany 1933, Russia 2007". All the Russian fascists lack now is a charismatic leader.

[Springmeester]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2006 08:59 pm
The question is not "Spain '36, Russia '07", but "Germany 1933, Russia 2007". All the Russian fascists lack now is a charismatic leader.
I guess you are right comrade. I thought the communist movement would be much stronger and much more anti-fascist (because they have a beautiful anti-fascist traditon) in that case a civil war would be more logical then a simple take-over, but the latter seems more and more likely when I hear all this. :(

[Whitten]

Putin has demonstrated his ruthlessness when it comes to political opposition and threats. He also has demonstrated he is not stupid. Surly he must have some sort of strategy for dealing with the rise of fascism?

[Zero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2006 09:24 pm
Putin has demonstrated his ruthlessness when it comes to political opposition and threats. He also has demonstrated he is not stupid. Surly he must have some sort of strategy for dealing with the rise of fascism?
He has demonstrated he is not stupid?

He ignored the Naz Bols until there was no possibility he couldn't!

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by Zero+December 17, 2006 09:50 pm--> (Zero @ December 17, 2006 09:50 pm)
[email protected] 17, 2006 09:24 pm
Putin has demonstrated his ruthlessness when it comes to political opposition and threats. He also has demonstrated he is not stupid. Surly he must have some sort of strategy for dealing with the rise of fascism?
He has demonstrated he is not stupid?

He ignored the Naz Bols until there was no possibility he couldn't! [/b]
No, he started Nashi to counter the nazbols [and anarchists/communists/socialists/whatever]. Nashi is an "antifascist" street fighter organisation dedicated to preserving the Russian state and worshipping president Vladimir Putin.

Putin have actually put pressure on RNE as well, and OMON had Barkashov beaten up. Yeltsin was actually exactly as cynical as Putin [Yeltsin gained support from Barkashov in the early 90;s and enjoyed it].

[Springmeester]

Why is there a link on the site (http://www.cprf.ru/) of the Russian CP to the nazbol party? :blink: (down on the left)

[Dimentio]

Nazbols are viewed as left-wing in Russia. In Russia, they are viewed as more related to anarchists and the far left. And given the sad status of anarchists in Russia, it is hardly surprising.

[mac1905]

Putin is more attacking and fighting communists than facists and hooligans. Cause facist oppose more official Ziuganow communism and more struggling ones as AKM or smaller parties.
Nazbols aren't case of russian facism, they are rather left nationalist, otherwise they are fascinated in similar type of fuhrer concentrated party as facism used.

[Zero]

National Anarchists.

"Watch out! The contradictions are here!"

[mac1905]

National Anarchists.
Whom nazbols?

[Dimentio]

LNSGP is otherwise the party of contradictions.

[YSR]

My Belarusian friend reports that things are similar there. He (rather apolitical, hates their president) says that the right-wing skinheads are terrifying. He used to have longer hair and would avoid whole areas of town because the skinheads would mess with "hippies."

Apparently, even in places where the antifa have beat out the Nazis, the antifa are almost as bad as them though. He reports that they only really care about violence, not about the politics they're defending.

In my book though, at least they're not Nazis!

[YSR]

Sorry for the double post:

Serpent: LNSGP doesn't actually exist in real life though. There are like six of them.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Young Stupid [email protected] 18, 2006 01:20 am
Sorry for the double post:

Serpent: LNSGP doesn't actually exist in real life though. There are like six of them.
didn't one of them like shoot up a school and then commit suicide or some shit? That would mean their party membership suddenly declined like 20% lol

[encephalon]

I just read a newspaper article today that detailed a rally that the nazbols were having against authoritarianism..?!?!

Could someone explain what's going on there? And who in the left is fighting against them (in russia)?

[Guild-soicalist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2006 06:26 am
I just read a newspaper article today that detailed a rally that the nazbols were having against authoritarianism..?!?!

Could someone explain what's going on there? And who in the left is fighting against them (in russia)?
The National Bolsheviks have had a inner divide. The party claims to have out the fascist Euraisaists, becoming much more left-wing. The Euraisaists have their own party now, ( Eurasia ), they support Putin because he is such a imperialist.

[encephalon]

The National Bolsheviks have had a inner divide. The party claims to have out the fascist Euraisaists, becoming much more left-wing. The Euraisaists have their own party now, ( Eurasia ), they support Putin because he is such a imperialist.

The whole idea that a nazi/stalin mesh has somehow migrated towards the left is both fascinating and preposterous. Who kicked out the Eurasiaists? Who would join the party in such numbers that weren't nationalists in the first place only to kick out their fellow nationalists? It simply doesn't make sense.

[Guild-soicalist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2006 09:09 am

The National Bolsheviks have had a inner divide. The party claims to have out the fascist Euraisaists, becoming much more left-wing. The Euraisaists have their own party now, ( Eurasia ), they support Putin because he is such a imperialist.

The whole idea that a nazi/stalin mesh has somehow migrated towards the left is both fascinating and preposterous. Who kicked out the Eurasiaists? Who would join the party in such numbers that weren't nationalists in the first place only to kick out their fellow nationalists? It simply doesn't make sense.
The Euraisaists sole goal is to create a Russian that can domminate Europe into submisson. They see Putin doing this with the gas monoply. The Nazibols just hate putins ass.

[Zero]

Haha, if they think they can glide by on peak oil and dominate Europe they should think again. When China runs out of gas, shit will hit the fan really fast.

[Guild-soicalist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2006 10:30 am
Haha, if they think they can glide by on peak oil and dominate Europe they should think again. When China runs out of gas, shit will hit the fan really fast.
Capitalists never think long Term.

[Dimentio]

Well, I have heard that the US administration have started to support the nazbols.

[Guild-soicalist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2006 01:44 pm
Well, I have heard that the US administration have started to support the nazbols.
WTF? But every other leaflet the nazibols produce has "FUCK U.S.A!" on it!

[Springmeester]

But is there any other big fascist organisation besides the nazbols or are they the only player on the team?

[Dimentio]

Apparently, the Nazbols are supported because they are supposed to strengthen the right-wing liberal opposition [Yabloko, SRS]

NBP are not the only fascist organisation. There are RNE, PPP, NDPR, and the Eurasianists.

[Springmeester]

Statement of Anti-Fascist Association of St. Petersburg
Statement of Anti-Fascist Association of St. Petersburg

3rd of December in St. Petersburg around 30 Nazis attacked participators of
anti-war committee, who returned from weekly picket against colonial and
militaristic politics of the power. Although Nazis outnumbered picketers
more than 3 to one and were armed with rocks and bottles, they had little
success. Eight anti-fascists could stand back the assault and forced enemy
to retreat. One of the attackers was hospitalized in a serious condition.

Comments on these events on website of DPNI (Movement Against Illegal
Migration) suppose that this Nazi group is directly connected with failed
assault attempt. It is possible, that events 3rd of December in St.
Petersburg are connected to events which took place in Moscow during same
day. In Moscow, around 20 neo-Nazis attempted to attack group of Avant-Garde
of Red Youth.

Both in St. Petersburg and Moscow part of the Nazis who participated to
assault, closed their faces with white respirators.

For sure, fascist reports on events of 3rd December are in contradiction
with the real events. We were not attacking, but defending ourselves, and
use of force by us was totally legitimate not only from moral, but also from
legal point of view. For sure, when defending ourselves against this
predator attempt, we did not surpass the limits of necessary means of
self-defense. We considered and we consider that any Nazi assault should be
met with a tough and organized repulse.

9th of December 2006
Coordinatory meeting of Anti-Fascist Association

(This is an unofficial translation by editorial collective of Avtonom.org,
and may diverge in tone from the Russian original. We have comradely
relations with Anti-Fascist Association of St. Petersburg, but do not share
their opinion on necessity of creating a wide anti-fascist front. We also do
not agree with position of St. Petersburg Anti-War Committee on war in
Chechnya)


Source: www.avtonom.org

[mac1905]

RNE
I think RNE seams to be quite defunct now, although they didn't claimed to resign from working as a party. I remember that in 2000 they were banned by the goverment and their leader was forced to abandon Russian Federation.

[Pro-Com-Matty]

It truely would be a sad day to see a country that sacraficed so much to defeat Nazism, to itself fall to those ideals.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 12:54 pm

RNE
I think RNE seams to be quite defunct now, although they didn't claimed to resign from working as a party. I remember that in 2000 they were banned by the goverment and their leader was forced to abandon Russian Federation.
Hm, they seemed to have a short revival during the Chintz riots. But then, the FSB beat up Barkashov.

[paneer]

I read in a paper that some indian medical student in st petersburg got his throat slashed by some skinhead and as a result of it died a painful death,that was really a disturbing piece of news since indians and russians share such a good relationship

[RedArmyFaction]

There wouldn't be a rise in nazi attacks if Russia was a communist country again. Hitler hated Eastern Europeans, so why do Russians love him ? Am i missing something ?

[jacobin1949]

From 1997-2004 I almost always reffered to Russia as Weimar Russia and was sure that eventutally a right wing leader would rise to power blaming the Jews for the collapse of the Russian Empire and creating a Nazi-like government. The similarities between Weimar and Russia were eerily similar. But honestly since about 2005 when Putin got a strong grip on power I really doubt Russia will become a Nazi government. Of course Weimar had some good years of storng power too. but look at the time span

Weimar 1919-1933
Russia 1991-2007

Already Russia has lasted far longer than Weimar did.
So I no longer believe that Russia wil fall to an extreme right wing dictatorship. But a Franco or Latin american type governemnt is quite possible

[RebelDog]

How strong is the working class movement in Russia? Can anyone tell me some facts or point me in the right direction?

[Die Neue Zeit]

This is where reading the articles of Marxist dissident Boris Kagarlitsky (dissident in the Soviet times) is most useful:

About the fascists around us (http://www.aglob.ru/en/analysis/?id=646)


The postwar Soviet propaganda represented the fascists as fat Boshes in steel pots and uniform jackets with automatic rifles shouting “Schnell!” and “Verbotten!”. Sometimes they ware lather coats and high crowned caps (like in the epoch-making Soviet TV series “Seventeen Moments of Spring”). Another feature – fascist salutes his fellows in arms with the right arm raised and the “Heil Hitler!” exclamation.
Back in Soviet times a man in the street would call any ungracious or aggressive person a fascist. They would normally say: “His mother-in-law is a real fascist!” This proverbial expression does not at all mean that the old lady is a stickler for the racial purity, corporate social structure or a disciple of a charismatic leader. She deserved this epithet simply for mistreating her son-in-law.

And though the term is widely used, people here in Russia don’t see the fascist underpinning of the racial theory, corporate society ideal and even of the appeals to organize ethnic cleansings, unless those disseminating these ideas ware the uniform with fylfot crosses. Otherwise, we prefer to call them patriots or civilized nationalists (“civilized” in the sense that only highly developed civilizations can afford building concentration camps).

Meanwhile, the Russian political establishment has made the issue of the fascist threat its best-seller. Politicians and the mass media show far more interest in the notorious fascist threat than in the real fascist organizations operating in the country.

In Ukraine the henchmen of Prime-Minister Viktor Yanukovych call the current events in the country a fascist coup. Back in 2004 they said just the same but it didn’t prevent Yanukovych from occupying the Premier’s post under “the fascist” Yushchenko in 2006. Peaceful cohabitation didn’t last long, though. Yushchenko has set early elections that are contemptuous of the Constitution, thus giving the Premier’s camp a pretext to once again incriminate the President in the “fascist coup”.

But the developments in Ukraine are nothing in comparison with the situation in Russia. To believe the politicians and the mass media, we live under a fascist regime which proclaimed fighting against the fascist threat its primordial task.

Publications in the press and political declarations suggest that all our political figures are fascists and militant antifascists at the same time. The pro-Kremlin youth movement “Nashi” pretends to be an antifascist movement but the opposition organization “The Other Russia” considers its activists to be real fascist storm-troopers. However the pro-president party “United Russia” finds the notorious fascist threat in “The Other Russia” itself, for this umbrella coalition includes, among others, the National Bolshevik Party members that used to publicly acknowledge adherence to ideas of Benito Mussolini and other similar theorists.

Dmitry Rogozin, an outspoken Russian nationalist and former leader of the “Motherland” (“Rodina”) party, participates in marches side by side with the proponents of the ideas of racial purity. Political slogans for the event entirely meet Dr. Goebbels’ receipts: citing the existing social problems and appealing to start ethnic cleansing that, allegedly, will alleviate these problems. Rogozin’s former associates from the “Motherland” party have been trying to dissociate themselves from those ideas since they have become members of the “Fair Russia” (“Spravedlivaya Rossiya”) political party. At the same time they insist on prolonging the presidential term and abolishing limit on the number of presidential terms. In other words, they are trying to make of Putin either caudillo or fuehrer, maybe even despite his will.

I will reserve from making categorical judgments concerning Dmitry Rogozin. His perspective is promising. He is properly fit to capitalize on the fascist slogans and he does have proper political associates ready to put these ideas into practice. At least, they will try for real. But as for other actors, they will do neither as real fascist nor as whoever else real.

And still, where does this devotion to strong expressions come from? And why do they talk fascism? Wasn’t it enough that they accused each other of lying, being corrupt, inclined to authoritarian rule and manipulating the electorate (which, actually, is the truth, the whole truth and noting but the truth). Right, we live in the society where a politician is a priori a “bad guy” guilty of all possible crimes, but why would one politician accuse the other of crimes the latter has never committed?

I believe the answer is at the surface. For the men in the street, as we have said, fascism is the Absolute Evil.

Russian politicians unconsciously understand that the Russian people will opt in favor of the existing political forces only if choosing between them and the Absolute Evil (i.e. fascism).

In comparison with any other alternatives our politicians themselves are the Evil, not absolute but quite real. They are like saying: yes, we are crooked, yes, we are evil. But we are not the Absolute Evil. The Absolute Evil are our opponents, so, like it or not, you have to back us against them.

In terms of the Marxist paradigm which dominates minds of the majority of the Russian electorate, all these talks about the “fascist threat” have one more advantage: fight with fascism is possibly the only motivation that can unite all social classes, make the workers support the capitalists, the left unite with the right, the red flags stand near the brown… or am I getting too surrealistic?

I think you’ve got the idea. In order to fight the Absolute Evil we all will march in columns, be it the Dissenters’ March, manifestation of the “Nashi” movement or merely the elections. And we won’t have to think for ourselves, debate or doubt. They will think it for us – we will march.

Stay in step!

Actually, this is where fascism begins.

[Pia Fidelis]

Russian beheading video, not for the weak of stomach.

LINK REMOVED - Malte

[RHIZOMES]

Originally posted by Pia [email protected] 21, 2007 01:21 pm
Russian beheading video, not for the weak of stomach.

:(

Fucking Nazi scum.

[RHIZOMES]

Originally posted by Pia [email protected] 21, 2007 01:21 pm
Russian beheading video, not for the weak of stomach.


I do not understand how even a fucking Neo-Nazi could do something that heartless. Really.

We need more effective antifas. It obviously isn't working as well as it should.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Originally posted by The Red Ghost+August 28, 2007 10:02 am--> (The Red Ghost @ August 28, 2007 10:02 am)
Pia [email protected] 21, 2007 01:21 pm
Russian beheading video, not for the weak of stomach.

I do not understand how even a fucking Neo-Nazi could do something that heartless. Really.

We need more effective antifas. It obviously isn't working as well as it should. [/b]
We must destroy this movement in it's infancy with the fist, the firebomb, and the bullet. That is the way, my Muslim comrade. (I've always wanted to say that. Sorreh if it offends.)

[Slavija_Bogu]

I'm done

[RHIZOMES]

Originally posted by Zhou+August 31, 2007 02:46 am--> (Zhou @ August 31, 2007 02:46 am)
Originally posted by The Red [email protected] 28, 2007 10:02 am

Pia [email protected] 21, 2007 01:21 pm
Russian beheading video, not for the weak of stomach.

I do not understand how even a fucking Neo-Nazi could do something that heartless. Really.

We need more effective antifas. It obviously isn't working as well as it should.
We must destroy this movement in it's infancy with the fist, the firebomb, and the bullet. That is the way, my Muslim comrade. (I've always wanted to say that. Sorreh if it offends.) [/b]
haha no it doesn't. Kinda cool.

I really think more effective tactics needs to be used against them, rather than just yelling at them at a protest.

Like... find out where your local Nazis work, tip of their boss, etc. Socially and economically ostracize them.

And I must say I fully endorse your methods as well.

[Dimentio]

In Russia, the fascists have already won the street in several large cities. They are not socially stigmatised as in other countries.

[RHIZOMES]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 07:08 am
In Russia, the fascists have already won the street in several large cities. They are not socially stigmatised as in other countries.
and that is really scary.

We need to find SOME way. Russian antifas need to recruit every last person who isn't a Nazi imho.

[Tower of Bebel]

You know, it might be too late. This situation is really like Germany 1930-1933. The "revolutionary left" has failed and now it is just waiting before the fascists are virtually in power. There isn't any leftist organisation strong enough to counter fascism. I do not say that there are no possibilities, but possibilities are rare. And I do not blame current leftists in Russia that they do not have the guts to counter fascism, or that they do not succeed at forming a large opposition. Would you do it when you no you could be slowly knifed the next day? It's all the fault of both capitalism and the so called communist party.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 09:49 am
You know, it might be too late. This situation is really like Germany 1930-1933. The "revolutionary left" has failed and now it is just waiting before the fascists are virtually in power. There isn't any leftist organisation strong enough to counter fascism. I do not say that there are no possibilities, but possibilities are rare. And I do not blame current leftists in Russia that they do not have the guts to counter fascism, or that they do not succeed at forming a large opposition. Would you do it when you no you could be slowly knifed the next day? It's all the fault of both capitalism and the so called communist party.
Well, there are more than one communist party in Russia now. Maoists, MLs, there are even Anarchists organizations, as well as the antifa. They all need to organize together, and destroy the fascists and Nazis. It's needed; NOW.

[spartan]

that video was horrific! whats the circumstances/story to this video? to think that that was someones son its just awful. this proves however that the fascists will stop at nothing so it is time we started really fucking getting them now. who gives a shit about how we are painted in the press. remember the press wont say politically incorrect things so defending openly racist nazis is something that for them is impossible.

[The Feral Underclass]

That film was absolutely horrific. Of course this is what Nazism is like! What on earth did people think it was before they saw that video?

I have personally never witnessed anything so saddening and disturbing in my entire life. Those poor men :(

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by Pia Fidelis @ August 21+ 2007 01:21 pm--> (Pia Fidelis @ August 21 @ 2007 01:21 pm)
Russian beheading video, not for the weak of stomach.
[/b]
That fucking pisses me off too much...tonight feels like shit now, sickening, infuriating, powerless...etc. I'm so sorry for those two guys. They need to be avenged badly by someone...

[email protected] 31, 2007 03:39 pm
to think that that was someones son its just awful.
Oh I'm sure you're cheering deep inside knowing they were probably practitioners of a religion. :angry:

[Cybercide]

fucking nazi pigs

[RHIZOMES]

that video was horrific! whats the circumstances/story to this video?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2149276,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20273509/
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cf...jectid=10458083 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10458083)


I have personally never witnessed anything so saddening and disturbing in my entire life.

That makes two of us.

[Forward Union]

I have personally never witnessed anything so saddening and disturbing in my entire life.

I have. I've seen plenty of brutal videos like that. Some are really messed up.


That fucking pisses me off too much...tonight feels like shit now, sickening, infuriating, powerless

If you want to help the Russian Antifa, organise benefit gigs, raise money and if possible, do solidarity actions.

You can also train with Action Medics (http://www.actionmedics.org.uk/) who comprise of many Anarchists and other lefty activists (They often help out at the G8 - with injured activists). I've known members who have gone to Russia to help train the Antifa to deal with bullet wounds and whatever.

It's really brave stuff. Help out with them if you can.


Oh I'm sure you're cheering deep inside knowing they were probably practitioners of a religion.

We don't know if they were or not. But being one of the more vocal opponants of Islam, I can honestly say that even if they were muslim, they were migrant workers first. Perhaps you don't quite understand the anti-religious argument, or just like putting up strawmen to drag the standard of debate down, but I don't know any leftists who advocate the beheading of all/any religious or specifically "muslim" people

[RHIZOMES]

We don't know if they were or not. But being one of the more vocal opponants of Islam, I can honestly say that even if they were muslim, they were migrant workers first. Perhaps you don't quite understand the anti-religious argument, or just like putting up strawmen to drag the standard of debate down, but I don't know any leftists who advocate the beheading of all/any religious or specifically "muslim" people

They're referring to one of spartan's previous comments about religious people getting massacred when a communist revolution happens.



I have. I've seen plenty of brutal videos like that. Some are really messed up.

I browse Liveleak and I'm pretty desensitized to violence. However, that hunting knife beheading was just too much for me to handle.

[Forward Union]

They're referring to one of spartan's previous comments about religious people getting massacred when a communist revolution happens.


Well, Churches, mosques or any other areas of public worship should be burned down or preferably turned into something of use. Like housing, schools, stockrooms or whatever. Religious leaders who side with the state (notably the catholics) should be executed or imprisoned, as with anyone else.


I browse Liveleak and I'm pretty desensitized to violence. However, that hunting knife beheading was just too much for me to handle.

I've seen videos from "littlemidgets" posted on various forums, I've also browed the site a couple of times. It's pretty harsh. It has most of the Muslim beheading videos on it.

[Forward Union]

Here is a pro-Antifa video from Russia.

Antifa Russia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=trbSekTjpxU)

[RHIZOMES]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 01, 2007 09:30 am

They're referring to one of spartan's previous comments about religious people getting massacred when a communist revolution happens.


Well, Churches, mosques or any other areas of public worship should be burned down or preferably turned into something of use. Like housing, schools, stockrooms or whatever. Religious leaders who side with the state (notably the catholics) should be executed or imprisoned, as with anyone else.
That's different, this is what he said http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic...st&p=1292371130 (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=69905&view=findpost&p=1292371130) .

Don't want to veer off topic here, but I think we should let religious gatherings be so we have the support of religious people, otherwise they'll seek to overthrow us so they can have their religious freedoms back. We shouldn't have religious institutions for sure, but I think that's a bit harsh.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by The Red [email protected] 01, 2007 09:38 am
I think we should let religious gatherings be so we have the support of religious people
They can do what they want, but they shouldn't be allowed to impose it on people.

There are more churches than priests in the world, and many priests that do inhabit churches will flee to the Fascists when fighting starts. So there will be plenty of abandoned churches to take. Furthermore in the Spainish Civil war, we saw some of the most violent acts against Religious sites commited by the working class people of those areas.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8d/SpanishLeftistsShootChrist.jpg/300px-SpanishLeftistsShootChrist.jpg

"The only church that illuminates is a burning one" - Durruti
:lol:


otherwise they'll seek to overthrow us so they can have their religious freedoms back. We shouldn't have religious institutions for sure, but I think that's a bit harsh.

Of course, but destroying baseless antiscientific and superstitious thinking should be a goal of any developed society in my opinion, how we do that is for debate, because we dont want to piss everyone off. But essentially we shouldn't respect medieval thinking in the 21st century. Anyway I wont say any more on the matter, this thread is for discussion about Russian Fascism.

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by The Red Ghost+August 28, 2007 10:02 am--> (The Red Ghost @ August 28, 2007 10:02 am)
Pia [email protected] 21, 2007 01:21 pm
Russian beheading video, not for the weak of stomach.


I do not understand how even a fucking Neo-Nazi could do something that heartless. Really.

We need more effective antifas. It obviously isn't working as well as it should. [/b]
We need to do more to get other workers and the like involved in anti-fascism; focusing on individual attacks on Facsists isn't really productive.

[spartan]

yeah but the difference in this individual attack is the severity of the attack i mean for gods sake it was a beheading!

[Comrade Rage]

When do people think that Russian Nazis will take power? It seems almost inevitable, it's sad. I think it may happen in about 5-10 years. :(

[jaffe]

Next victim of russians nazis
Kosiarzz - 25.10.2007 02:40

20th of October in Moscow nazis killed 23 years old Ovanes Ajriumian.

He was antifascist and drummer from Toxic Trace. They attacked him when he walked to home. Nazis stabed knife 30 times into his body.

http://www.indymedia.nl/nl/2007/10/47900.shtml

RIP

[Dimentio]

The question is, why is fascism so prevalent in a country with no petty-bourgeoisie, and a huge lumpen-proletariat.

The Russian middle class is about 20% of the population, and is mostly cosmopolitan, liberal and "tolerant".

[RedArmyFaction]

What has happened to my beloved Russia ? The birth place of Communism. I'm very sad, my brothers, when i see what is happening to the once great country. Very sad

The only way to get rid of nazism, is to get rid of Putin. He's fucking things up for us. Russians love him too much. It's like Russians are in some kind of a trance.

[Ismail]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 06:54 pm
What has happened to my beloved Russia ? The birth place of Communism.
Incorrect, that would be 19th century Prussia. :P

[Genosse Kotze]

It would apear that the video from a while back of the two men being beheaded and executed by nazis was a hoax.

Link (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Rest_of_World/Russian_neo-Nazi_beheading_video_a_fake_Report/articleshow/2476033.cms)

This news comes as quite a relief. That video was about one of the scariest things I'd seen in a long while.

[Cmde. Slavyanski]

Originally posted by Genosse [email protected] 13, 2007 02:56 am
It would apear that the video from a while back of the two men being beheaded and executed by nazis was a hoax.

Link (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Rest_of_World/Russian_neo-Nazi_beheading_video_a_fake_Report/articleshow/2476033.cms)

This news comes as quite a relief. That video was about one of the scariest things I'd seen in a long while.
Of course it was fake; Russian Neo-Nazis are too cowardly to do anything like that.

Russian Fascists BTW, are like most Russians- masochists. The difference is the extent of their self-hatred.

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by William [email protected] 01, 2007 09:37 am
Here is a pro-Antifa video from Russia.

Antifa Russia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=trbSekTjpxU)
What video was that? I tried to click the link, but it says the video is removed.

[POUM]

Don't be a fool, nazis will never take power in russia because they are un-organised skinhead gangs and football hooligans. On the other side you have Putin who simply cannot be overthrown. The russian xenophobia is a result of the sudden border opening after the fall of the soviet union, when the borders opened alot of foreign capital invaded the country and made it poorer, but also foreign people came too, so less inteligent russians connected the seemingly connectable dots. The do not understand that oligarchs and foreign capitalists are responsible for their situation. They see them only in the news, but they see immigrants on the streets. It's pretty fucked up, but i think it will fade in a manner of years. Putin keeps it alive so he can control the Communist Party of Russia, the only serious opposition in the country.

[Gitfiddle Jim]

Don't be a fool, nazis will never take power in russia because they are un-organised skinhead gangs and football hooligans. On the other side you have Putin who simply cannot be overthrown. The russian xenophobia is a result of the sudden border opening after the fall of the soviet union, when the borders opened alot of foreign capital invaded the country and made it poorer, but also foreign people came too, so less inteligent russians connected the seemingly connectable dots. The do not understand that oligarchs and foreign capitalists are responsible for their situation. They see them only in the news, but they see immigrants on the streets. It's pretty fucked up, but i think it will fade in a manner of years. Putin keeps it alive so he can control the Communist Party of Russia, the only serious opposition in the country.

I agree with most of this, although the Nazis do appear to have the support of many ordinary Russians, due to the number of immigrants. Hopefully though Russia will see sense and crush thick-skulled twats sooner rather than later, or it may be too late.

[jmc]

I'm not that educated on politics or history but didn't the german nazi goverment think russians were subhuman? and doesn't that make every russian born with nazis as natrual enermies?

[p1nkfl0yd]

Fascism in Russia scares me because Russia is in the perfect conditions for a fascist government to come to power. The crippling poverty caused by the neoliberal reforms of Yeltsin has created a generation of disenchanted youth without the benefit of the belief of egalitarianism forced upon them by the government of their parents. We are seeing almost a complete mirror of Germany in the 30s, here. Socialist groups are gaining popularity, while fascist groups like the National Bolsheviks hijack symbols of the leftist movement to break up the labour movement. I believe that if there is not a serious leftist resurgency in the immediate future, we will soon see a neo-fascist government sitting in the Kremlin.

It's too bad Putin's not a commie. I feel like he's the kinda guy you wanna support 'cause he gets shit done.

[Red_Mackem]

There wouldn't be a rise in nazi attacks if Russia was a communist country again. Hitler hated Eastern Europeans, so why do Russians love him ? Am i missing something ?

No you're not missing a thing. The USSR lost Millions and Millions of Citizens in the War against Fascism and you if Hitler had defeated the USSR the vast majority of the fascist Skinheads would not exist (their Grandparent and Parents would have been sent to the externination camps)!

They see Putkin and all his cronies ruling a corrupt country and wrongy associate then with the Old Communist Party, instead of Capitalism, then they migrate to the right and civil unrest and see it as the only answer. Truly sad.

[Kropotesta]

I'm not that educated on politics or history but didn't the german nazi goverment think russians were subhuman? and doesn't that make every russian born with nazis as natrual enermies?
but then again that would mean it would be stupid to be a Russian Marxist as both Marx and Engels were anti slavic- "that hatred of the Russians was and remains the primary revolutionary passion of the Germans; and since the revolution it extends to the Czechs and the Croatians . . . we . . . can safeguard the revolution only by the most determined terrorism against these Slavic peoples"- Engels

[superwog]

Is it fair to compare Hitler to Marx?

[Bilan]

No.
Shut the fuck up.

[Orange Revolution]

Is it fair to compare Hitler to Marx?

yeah, neither was very funny, Groucho never invaded Poland, and Hitler's version of 'Duck Soup' wasn't a patch on the original. Now go play on your own in the corner...

[jaffe]

Nazis murder again in Moscow
po - 17.03.2008 12:59

Today 16th of March around 6:40 PM local time at exit of metro station "Kitay-Gorod" around 15 Nazis ambushed with knives 7 people.

Today 16th of March around 6:40 PM local time at exit of metro station "Kitay-Gorod" around 15 Nazis ambushed with knives 7 people, who were going to a concert in club "Art Garbage", where Petrozavodsk oi!-band "Nichego Horoshego" and a number of other groups were to play. As a result of the attack, a young guest of the concert from Noginsk died from multiple stab wounds.

Attack was planned in internet, 14th of March in forum of FC Spartak hooligans (http://www.indymedia.nl/images/extlink.gif http://forum.fanat1k.ru/index.php (http://forum.fanat1k.ru/index.php)) a theme was created, where attack to concert was discussed at http://www.indymedia.nl/images/extlink.gif http://forum.fanat1k.ru/showthread.php?p=32482 (http://forum.fanat1k.ru/showthread.php?p=32482). Now the theme is deleted, but in may be recovered from search engine caches.

This is not first such assaut. In April of 2006, 19 year old Sasha Ryukhin was murdered by Nazis before a punk concert.

[thejambo1]

there is certainly a rise in eastern europe of neo nazi skinheads and it is a worrying trend. it is certainly fortunate that most of these people are not overly well organized, as it could well be a catastrophe if they were. governments let them away with murder as they are useful to them in keeping anarchists etc down. i think we should be supporting our comrades in the east in these troubled times.

[Leonid]

It seems that most Western Left tends to misunderstand the REAL ideology of Zyuganov's party (the so-called "Communist" Party of Russian Federation). First, it promotes Russian nationalism and expresses deep hostility to any foreign influences on Russia's society, even going as far as idealising Russian obschina of pre-modern times! If you happen to read the works of one of their ideologues, Sergey Kara-Murza, you will find that he openly rejects Marxism, calling it "anti-humane Western ideology" and ridiculously claims that Lenin was not a Marxist but a great Russian patriot! I know it sounds weird but I read such statements of him myself! He also praises Stalin for being 'good patriot" and creator of the mighty Russian State in XX century. And this is only one example.

Second, they are openly chauvinist towards national minorities (especially North Caucasians), and support Putin's anti-immigrant policies. Their infamous co-operation with racists from DPNI is just the most striking example of their pro-Nazi policies.

Third, they are committed proponents of patriarchal society and family, are anti-abortion and promote co-operation with Russian Orthodoxal Church on " restoring national morality". Sounds like Pat Buchanan, eh?

[communard resolution]

"On March 16 2008 around 6.30 or 6.40 pm in the Moscow city centre at the exit of Kitai-Gorod metro station a group of about 15 neonazis armed with knives have attacked 5 people who were going to a hardcore / punk gig headlined by Karelian oi band Nichego Khoroghego at Art Garbage club. As a result of attack a punk aged 21, Alexei Krylov from the Moscow Region town of Noginsk, has died due to multiple stab wounds some 15 minutes later, before the ambulance arrived. A girl attacked in the same incident survived by a chance - the knife got stuck in her backpack less than an inch from her body. There were several nazi mobs in the area each numbering 10-15 people attacking antifascists. The gig was cancelled a few bands in after some pepper spray was used and windows broken by persons unknown. The attack appears to have been planned in advance with involvement of some FC Spartak hooligans.
Nearly two years ago in Moscow 19 years old Alexander Ryukhin has been murdered by a nazi gang on his way to a hardcore gig."

I apologize if this story has been posted before on this forum. The point is: even though the international press isn't reporting on Russian neo-nazis quite as much as it did some two or three years ago, it's not like things have gotten better. According to info I received from several Russians, they have gone from bad to worse. Immigrants, leftists, punks, etc are attacked on a daily basis, and the attacks result in murder with increasing frequency. Some areas in Russia are controlled by violent fascists to such an extent, they are unlivable. Police are turning a blind eye, authorities deny there is a neo-nazi problem, and fascist murderers are getting mild sentences for "hooliganism". I read a post on white power forum Stormfront in which a Russian neo-nazi smugly brags that "police here are on our side because we're doing the dirty work for them", referring to neo-nazi assaults on gypsies.

Today I've decided that I can no longer just sit there and consume such news like some kind of horror movie. Russian anti-fascists are urging us to organise solidarity demostrations near Russian embassies and consulates, to draw international attention to the issue and pressurize the Russian government to tackle neo-nazi problem and crack down on organized neo-nazism in Russia. And this is exactly what I will do. I will get in touch with every single leftist organization in my city, no matter whether anarchist, Trotskist, Socialist Workers Party, Antifa, Anarchist Federation-I don't care who- and will try to organize a big demonstration, ideally right in front of the Russian embassy, or as close as possible. This is literally a matter of life and death and not the time to debate petty differences among all the various leftist groups and factions. This issue calls for a united front.

Comrades, I'm urging you to do the same wherever you are. Forget about the differences. Organize demonstrations, write readers letters to newspapers about what is happening in Russia, try to involve as many different groups as possible. Invite journalists, even from the mainstream left-liberal press as they have power, will probably be sympathetic with the cause and give it a lot of publicity.

We MUST do something about this now!