Iran Holocaust Denial

[MKS]

What are the current "leftist" thoughts on the Iran Holocaust Denial conference being held in Tehran?

Isnt your assumed automatic adverse reaction to the very idea of holocaust denial hypocritical when compared to some of your claims of denial reagrding the crimes of the Soviet Union and in particualr Josef Stalin? Both events are considered proven historical events, why is one treated as accepted and the other denied as burgoise/capitalist propoganda?

Just to add. I do not approve of any denial of either the Holocaust or the Crimes of Stalin.

[Dimentio]

About Stalin - He probably is directly and indirectly responsible for 10-15 million deaths, but he did probably not kill 40 million people [as according to Rummel, who use population growth based on the number 1913 as a foundation of his estimations].

About Ahmadinejad - He got a blog.

[Bright Banana Beard]

I think Ahmadinejad is trying to piss-off israel just like he done in the past. The holocaust happened so did the crimes of stalin.

so did the American's imperialism dream.

[CopperGoat]

http://www.jewwatch.com/ first page pic..


it's not hlocaust 'denial' its holocaust 'revisionism' don't listen to zionists. revisionism is looking at all the evidence and claims and finding contradictions, errors. etc..

http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com

the holocaust is not proven at all, and there are some witness testimonies, ie Elie Wiesel that don't even mention anything about gas chambers. Perhaps the most damning evidence is Himmler's speech at Potsdan, but then if he was saying how top secret it was, I don't know WHY he would be recording it in the first place, very strange..

[Phalanx]

There's only one goal of Holocaust revisionists: to discredit Jews as a group of people. Those sites are blatantly anti-Semitic, written by disillusioned conspiracy theorists.

[Demogorgon]

I despise holocaust denial obviously. Sadly idiots do exist who don't believe it happened. Trying to ban them from saying so will only make things worse.

As for the crimes of Stalin, I certainly don't deny those either. But remember it is much harder to know exactly how many people he killed because he had plenty of time to dispose of the records. So I am more skeptical about any solid number given regarding how many he killed. Especially as I see it creeping up a bit every time it is quoted. There is exaggeration at play there. That said it probably did hit ten million so you can hardly say it was minor either.

[Guerrilla22]

I saw David Duke will be in attendance.

[MKS]

But remember it is much harder to know exactly how many people he killed because he had plenty of time to dispose of the records. So I am more skeptical about any solid number given regarding how many he killed.

Does it matter if it was 2 or 10 million or even 1,000. Isnt the real point that he and his government killed innocent people?


the holocaust is not proven at all, and there are some witness testimonies, ie Elie Wiesel that don't even mention anything about gas chambers.

And there are plenty that do, as well as plenty that describe the crematoriums, mass graves, summary executions etc. The holocaust is proven no matter what dillusions you have. There are so many sources, Russian liberators, US liberators, victims/survivors, German documentation, etc. which clearly prove an attempt to exterminate the Jews of German occupied Europe. Not to mention non-jewish minority or dissedent groups within the Reich i.e. mentally disabled people, homosexuals, gypsies, Communists, Catholic priests etc.


think Ahmadinejad is trying to piss-off israel just like he done in the past

Ahmadinejad is a strange character, I do agree with his anti-American imperialist ideas; however his rants about the destruction of Israel and denial of the holocaust do little for his credibility. I think he is dangerous because he inflames the already strong anti-Semitist ethos of the region and ultimately condones terrorist groups such as Hamas, Al-Qadea, etc.

I think if Israel is allowed to exist so should Palestine as an autonomous state, they both should share Jerusalem as a District of Worship.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2006 04:16 pm
What are the current "leftist" thoughts on the Iran Holocaust Denial conference being held in Tehran?

Isnt your assumed automatic adverse reaction to the very idea of holocaust denial hypocritical when compared to some of your claims of denial reagrding the crimes of the Soviet Union and in particualr Josef Stalin? Both events are considered proven historical events, why is one treated as accepted and the other denied as burgoise/capitalist propoganda?
I'm certainly not going to "deny" the crimes of Stalin. In fact, I politically descend from a tradition - "Trotskyism" some call it - which was among the first to expose those crimes, while many in pro-capitalist public opinion were still accepting the Moscow Trials as genuine.

But the facile Stalin-Hitler analogy is bogus (even though there are some obvious similarities). And in fact there is still a lot of debate among mainstream historians about the extent and nature of Stalin's crimes. He didn't simply round up millions into extermination camps as Hitler did. The Nazi Holocaust is unusual in history in how well documented it is.

The "Black Book of Communism" types are regarded as bad scholars by a lot of mainstream scholars - in fact some of the authors of articles in that book disavowed its overall conclusions. I'd suggest their exaggerations are for anticommunist political effect - just as Holocaust deniers are mimizing for their own pro-Nazi political purposes.

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On what Ahmadinejad is doing here, a more interesting subject. From another thread on the subject:
Now, why is Ahmadinejad promoting Holocaust denial and other ideas taken from Western fascists and ultrarightists? It sure ain't cause it damages Israel or the U.S. - it doesn't.

Lemme suggest: he was elected on populist campaign promises, claiming he'd try to improve the conditions for working people in Iran. But there's little a capitalist regime in Iran can do about that, because of its nature. And nothing I've seen indicates he's even trying very hard.

But rhetoric and demagogy can be a good way of distracting attention from that.

I should add that this is a case of unsuprising convergence between rightist political forces in different areas; Western Nazi apologists were among the speakers at this conference.

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There've been some significant rejections of this within the Middle East. Iranian Jews held a press conference to oppose Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial, (http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Politics&loid=8.0.367695175&par=0) which took some guts. A couple Palestinian activists made a point of coming out publicly against it (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/12958.html), another example (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20061211-0610-iran-holocaust-israeli.html). As did at least one Iranian opposition figure now working for al-Jazeera (http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Politics&loid=8.0.367618945&par=0)

Iranian students reportedly held a demonstration against a campus speech by Ahmadinejad (http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Politics&loid=8.0.367574655&par=0), to oppse the conference "which has brought to our country Nazis and racists from around the world" as well as repression by his regime. As an aside: Ahmadinejad commented "The minority group, which says there is no freedom of speech, are not allowing the majority to hear my remarks." Which does illustrate the need to be careful of tactics in demonstrating against a speaking appearance, in order not to help this kind of hypocritical posturing.

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2006 11:52 pm
Does it matter if it was 2 or 10 million or even 1,000. Isnt the real point that he and his government killed innocent people?

Of course. You have me all wrong, if you think I am trying to diminish what he did. iu am just pointing out that it is much harder to be sure how many he killed than it is for the Nazi's and therefore there is much more scope for debate.

[MKS]

But the facile Stalin-Hitler analogy is bogus (even though there are some obvious similarities). And in fact there is still a lot of debate among mainstream historians about the extent and nature of Stalin's crimes

Stalin did send many to forced labour camps which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. And those that did not die lived as slaves. Hitler did the same thing to the Poles and to other dissedents and occupied people. Sure The crimes of the Nazis were probably more organized than the Stalinsit Soviets, but the result is the same, innocent people died. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, several US presidents, King Leopold of Belgium, Pol Pot, the list is very long of "leaders" who killed in the name of the State or some other socio-politcal rhetoric.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2006 05:52 pm
Does it matter if it was 2 or 10 million or even 1,000. Isnt the real point that he and his government killed innocent people?
Yes, exactly. But the Black Book of Communism types think it's important to prove he killed...more people than Hitler. That communism is much worse than fascism - that it's communism, not neo-Nazis that people should really consider unacceptable to even listen to or consider.

If you think about it, that has a certain convergence and common interest with Holocaust denial. It's not the Black Book people are neo-Nazis necessarily, just that they'd like to reverse what people hate most - from the far right to the far left.

[MKS]

That communism is much worse than fascism - that it's communism, not neo-Nazis that people should really consider unacceptable to even listen to or consider.

Stalinist Communism, or Soviet Communism was just as bad as facism whether it is German, Italian or Spanish. People should consider Bolshevism just as bad as Nazism, both promote intolerance, coercion by force, reliance on the State, and fear and control of the masses.

[ATG]

Man that thing was disgusting how can you deny such horrible evidence of the fact that the massive murder of jews,slavls,homosexuals and other minorities happened . I also saw a group of haredi jews arrive there to support Ahmadinejad

[Dimentio]

Ahmadinejad is just a reactionary masking as a populist, but his influence on the regime of Iran is not a major issue, since Khamenei holds almost all power. The reason why Ahmadinejad was elected was mainly by the support of the militias, but also due to his social policies [distributing oil wealth from the rich companies to the people, as he claimed to do].

This conference is a childish attempt to piss off Israel, and the crazy thing is that it succeeds.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by Severian+December 14, 2006 12:55 am--> (Severian @ December 14, 2006 12:55 am)
[email protected] 13, 2006 05:52 pm
Does it matter if it was 2 or 10 million or even 1,000. Isnt the real point that he and his government killed innocent people?
Yes, exactly. But the Black Book of Communism types think it's important to prove he killed...more people than Hitler. That communism is much worse than fascism - that it's communism, not neo-Nazis that people should really consider unacceptable to even listen to or consider.

If you think about it, that has a certain convergence and common interest with Holocaust denial. It's not the Black Book people are neo-Nazis necessarily, just that they'd like to reverse what people hate most - from the far right to the far left. [/b]
Well, I do not feel any urge to defend the USSR, but when people claim that Stalin killed 62 million Soviet citizens, I just scratch my head. I mean, that was 35-50% of the Soviet population during the time when Stalin was general secretary [1924-1953]. It appears as physically impossible.

It was about 2 million [out of 25 million incarcerated] who perished in the Gulags, 8 million who died in different starvation disasters and 1-2 million executed. That are still huge numbers, and a disaster for society, but not physically impossible.

Then why most marxist-leninist states have been so violent?

Well, I think one contributing factor is that there are hardly one established industrial state among those nations who voluntarily [through revolution] established state socialism. I mean, Czarist Russia, China, and a dozen or two of third world nations, which are hardly even industrial, and have post-feudal or post-colonial social structures would turn anything into just a new dictatorship.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2006 01:13 am

That communism is much worse than fascism - that it's communism, not neo-Nazis that people should really consider unacceptable to even listen to or consider.

Stalinist Communism, or Soviet Communism was just as bad as facism whether it is German, Italian or Spanish. People should consider Bolshevism just as bad as Nazism, both promote intolerance, coercion by force, reliance on the State, and fear and control of the masses.
How, exactly, was it intolerant? Furthermore, do you see a difference in the societies and governments of pre-Stalin (1928) USSR and Stalinist (1928-1953) USSR?

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2006 06:43 am

That communism is much worse than fascism - that it's communism, not neo-Nazis that people should really consider unacceptable to even listen to or consider.

Stalinist Communism, or Soviet Communism was just as bad as facism whether it is German, Italian or Spanish. People should consider Bolshevism just as bad as Nazism, both promote intolerance, coercion by force, reliance on the State, and fear and control of the masses.
You respected sir must use your Brain seriously if you have it. Don't just belive the capitalist media and anarchism masked liberals like Chomsky blindly.

[RedCeltic]

I think that the Jews do themselves a great disservice by treating anyone who views such events with an objective opinion as a war criminal. Note that the conference is not all about hating the Jews… as you will notice there are some orthodox Jews at the conference.

It is not a healthy thing not to allow objectivism and criticism into one’s own past and ethnic histories. It seems so strange for a group of people that has managed to generate so many talented people who possess the gift of laughing at themselves and their own Jewish people… that the Jews themselves as a whole are so uptight about such things.

Let Iran hold a conference and make themselves look like fools. Nothing more really needs to be said by the Jews in that regards. It’s like Iran funding a “the world is flat” conference.

On the other hand however… Israel and the Jewish people shove their history into everyone’s face for the past 60 years and expect for it to give them a free pass to do basically whatever they want to. But when the first serious questions in 60 years start to come, rather than sitting back and letting Iran make themselves look like fools, they continue to paint everyone who dares question their history as a vile racist… which only leads to more people wondering what they are trying to hide.

I say… let them speculate, it only makes them look like fools. There are people who have been to those camps, smelled the burning flesh. The Germans kept meticulous records of everything from train schedules to numbers gassed each day. They filmed the camps, ghettos, boxcars, etc… all themselves. If you truly think all that had been faked somehow by the Jews, I have a bridge over the East River I want to Sell you.

[Intellectual47]

Here's my conspiracy theory.
Ahmadinejad is just trying to distract our attention from the real problem, Khamenei.
Khamenei's probably trying to pull something on us and he might be using Ahmadinejad to distract us. I don't know what he's doing, it might be the nukes it might be something else. That's just my guess to explain Ahmadinejad's behaivor. The guy has a blog. Out of about 69 million people, only 7.5 million have internet. It's pretty obviuos that the blog wasn't for his people. It was intended for us and Europe. The guy knows what his job is and how to do it. His job is to distract us. If you guys know what he's distracting us from, tell me.

Stalin technically killed more than Hitler, but Hitler did it more evily. So I say they're even.
And they both had a 'stache.

[Dimentio]

Maybe he is distracting us from something taking place outside Iran, like the military intervention in Somalia [11 nations, including Iran].

[MKS]

While I hate to digress from the intended topic, I have been baited and will bite.





You respected sir must use your Brain seriously if you have it. Don't just belive the capitalist media and anarchism masked liberals like Chomsky blindly

My conclusions are not simple regurgitations of Chomsky as you have asserted. They are based from study, and an opinion I hold that any form of State coercion is contradictory to my Libertarian-Socialist principles. It is easy to see that life in Soviet Russia under Stalin was not one of Liberty, but one of oppression, fear and poverty.



How, exactly, was it intolerant? Furthermore, do you see a difference in the societies and governments of pre-Stalin (1928) USSR and Stalinist (1928-1953) USSR?

Well Stalinist Russia was a police state intolerant of dissent or any behavior that went against the government’s ideology. It was repressive and controlling, just like the Fascist governments of Italy, Spain and Germany. But I don’t think there was a great difference between pre-Stalin Russia and Stalinist Russia, pre-Stalin Russia was an emerging totalitarian regime controlled by the Bolsheviks and Lenin. Stalin I think just continued that model of one party rule and took it to a brutal extreme. I also don’t see a difference between Pre-"communist" Russia and Communist Russia both were states ruled by one Party of people the Tsarists and then the Soviet State Government.

I am always shocked when Leftist denounce Soviet Russia as not truly Communist but then still defend people like Stalin. Why does it seem some people here are so resistant to admit that Stalin was a bad person?

Now back to the topic....


Note that the conference is not all about hating the Jews… as you will notice there are some orthodox Jews at the conference.

The Jews do not deny the holocaust, they are however anti-zionists who belive that the establishment of the modern state of Israel is a contradiction to the teachings of the Torah.


It is not a healthy thing not to allow objectivism and criticism into one’s own past and ethnic histories. It seems so strange for a group of people that has managed to generate so many talented people who possess the gift of laughing at themselves and their own Jewish people… that the Jews themselves as a whole are so uptight about such things.

There is a huge difference between objectivism and flat out ignorance. The holocaust was a great crime against humanity, its occurrence is a matter of record, it is a fact. Denying the holocaust is like denying the Rwanda Genocide, the American crimes against the Philippines, or any other documented crime. When you deny the holocaust against such overwhelming evidence to the contrary you are simply revealing your anti-Semitism. The Jewish people are "uptight" about the holocaust because 6 million people were systematically killed for no other reason than their religious identities. It is a huge piece of their modern identity, just as the holocaust against American Indians is a huge piece of their identity.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2006 06:16 pm
What are the current "leftist" thoughts on the Iran Holocaust Denial conference being held in Tehran?

I think it is idiotic and ridiculous, considering that there is hundreds of holocaust survivors, I have even talked to a few, are they lying? Where they lying to me with tears in there eyes? It is also it is hard to deny the photographic and filmed evidence as well.

He wasn't there, neither is he german, nor did he live in germany during that time, so he has no basis what so ever for denial.

[Severian]

Originally posted by Intellectual47+December 14, 2006 08:33 am--> (Intellectual47 @ December 14, 2006 08:33 am)Here's my conspiracy theory.
Ahmadinejad is just trying to distract our attention from the real problem, Khamenei.
Khamenei's probably trying to pull something on us and he might be using Ahmadinejad to distract us. [/b]
and

[email protected] 14, 2006 08:36 am
Maybe he is distracting us from something taking place outside Iran, like the military intervention in Somalia [11 nations, including Iran].
Not everything is about you. And obviously Ahmadinejad's blog, his "letter to the American people", etc. are a relatively minor part of his total activity.

I'd suggest most of this is for Middle Eastern consumption, especially internal Iranian consumption.

And his letter to the American people, clearly, is an attempt to appeal to and build antiwar sentiment in the U.S. - just a clumsy one.

Also, the ultraright is one element of U.S. politics which is opposed to war, and the element which Ahmadinejad will feel most comfortable appealing to.

[Dimentio]

Well, now he writes about freedom and liberty. Apparently, it is liberty to throw firecrackers at him :D

[Raisa]

When ever it isnt a group of peoples problem they will go out of their way to deny it if it makes them guilty.

I think it is stupid that they deny the holocaust, it happened the evidence was found and everything.
It is stupid how many jews in america deny the holocaust of african americans as well.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2006 03:36 pm

Not everything is about you. And obviously Ahmadinejad's blog, his "letter to the American people", etc. are a relatively minor part of his total activity.
There are certain activities which are the product of a ruler administering his own countries and there are those by which he seeks to legitimize himself and his political platform to his neighbors and ultimately the world.

That said, it is possible that the event is a distraction; it strikes me that they could find easier, less symbolic method of doing so. There could be multiple motives behind the conference; first and foremost it is a method by which the Iranians can firmly define "who's with them and who's against them"... and it's a message to the Jewish community saying that playing their biggest "card"* has no effect on them.

*I'm not expressing solidarity with Holocaust denial, I think it's heinous but the first line of defense for the existence of Israel is the Holocaust, and criticism of Holocaust history is certainly taboo, though this is mostly because anyone nitpicking over 500,000 versus 6,000,000 deaths almost certainly has some sort of racial agenda. Either way, the very idea of breaking this taboo is in and of itself a sort of landmark for anti-Semitic ideology today.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 03:43 am
It is stupid how many jews in america deny the holocaust of african americans as well.
There is no possible way you can compare the holocaust of the jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and the mentally ill in germany, to some fictional holocaust of the blacks in america, simply impossible; don't be stupid.

[Severian]

Originally posted by Cryotank [email protected] 16, 2006 03:37 pm
There is no possible way you can compare the holocaust of the jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and the mentally ill in germany, to some fictional holocaust of the blacks in america, simply impossible; don't be stupid.
"Some fictional holocaust"? Have you looked into how many people died in the slave ships crossing the Atlantic, crammed together like spoons in a drawer? Have you looked into how many people were worked to death on the plantations of Mississippi - and even more in the Caribbean - since replacements were always available?

You might also look into genocide against Native Americans, while you're at it, and the forced labor that killed off many - close to half? not sure - of the inhabitants of the Congo under colonialism. Or read the book "Late Victorian Holocausts".

The only unique thing about the Nazi Holocaust was that it happened to white people.

[Cryotank Screams]

"Some fictional holocaust"?

By that I meant, that you can not compare the oppression of black slaves to that of the mass holocaust committed by the nazis, however the term fictional holocaust may have been wrong and extreme, for this I apologize however, again I say it is stupid to compare the two, because their is little if absolutely no true comparison, only comparisons in a very broad sense.


Have you looked into how many people died in the slave ships crossing the Atlantic, crammed together like spoons in a drawer? Have you looked into how many people were worked to death on the plantations of Mississippi - and even more in the Caribbean - since replacements were always available?

These were not purposeful, or systematic deaths, the slave owners didn't say "these people are inferior to me, their existence is nothing but a burden to my people, thus they and every trace of them must be eliminated by any means."

They sought only to exploit and oppress them, not systematically erase them from the face of the earth, hence why I say you can't compare them to the holocaust committed by the nazis.


You might also look into genocide against Native Americans, while you're at it, and the forced labor that killed off many - close to half? not sure - of the inhabitants of the Congo under colonialism. Or read the book "Late Victorian Holocausts".

This however does have some slight and very broad comparisons to the holocaust in europe.


The only unique thing about the Nazi Holocaust was that it happened to white people

It did not happen to just white people it happened, to jews, gypsies, and every race consider non-aryan.

Also, the killing of people in factory like procession, by rifle squads, forced labor, starvation, degradation, and lack of hygiene, gross medical experiments, gas chambers, and numerous other atrocities that wasn't unique?

The mass amounts of cremation ovens, that burned the corpses in again factory like procession, that wasn't unqiue? The large amounts of mass graves that wasn't unique?

The holocaust committed by the nazis was by far the most grand and horrid of all genocides every committed in human history, that to which there is absolutely no really comparison, this was systematic, and programmed to work like a factory of death, and to totally wipe non-aryan races, and non-aryan ideals and every trace of them of the earth.

I admit my term of fictional holocaust was rash, and I do apologize again, however I still say there is no direct comparison to the holocaust in europe to the black slaves in america.

Also, I am not familiar to a large degree of these american, and other nations holocaust theories; however more information would be appreciated.

[MKS]

By that I meant, that you can not compare the oppression of black slaves to that of the mass holocaust committed by the nazis, however the term fictional holocaust may have been wrong and extreme, for this I apologize however, again I say it is stupid to compare the two, because their is little if absolutely no true comparison, only comparisons in a very broad sense.

It is a completley logical and just comparison. Africans were systematicaly killed just as the Jews of Europe were. More Afircans died during the slave trade than Jews did in the holocaust. We'll never know the true number because records were not kept of "proeprty lost at sea" which is what many slavers called dead or uneeded africans which were killed.

And lets not forget the holocaust of Africans in the Congo which occured during the colonial period. King Leopold and his Belgian government were responsible for an estimated 10 million deaths.


They sought only to exploit and oppress them, not systematically erase them from the face of the earth, hence why I say you can't compare them to the holocaust committed by the nazis

They did all three to the Africans. And they did want to remove them from the earth. They treated them as animals.


The only unique thing about the Nazi Holocaust was that it happened to white people
Exactly. that is why more people care about the European holocaust than the other crimes committed against non whites. If you think about the most recent genocide: Rwanda 1994, 800,000 people died in a little 100 days now extrapolate thatto one year or 365 days and you have over 2 million people now extrapolate that to 5 years (approximate duration of the European holocaust) and you have about 10 million. The population of Rwanda is just under 10million people. Now I realize these figures are exaterrated but proportionatley the Rwandan genocide was worse than the European genocide. Yet there was no race to stop it by the White nations, there is no great monument in any Western capital, and it is almost as if we have forgotten about it.

[Severian]

Originally posted by Cryotank [email protected] 16, 2006 05:22 pm
These were not purposeful, or systematic deaths, the slave owners didn't say "these people are inferior to me, their existence is nothing but a burden to my people, thus they and every trace of them must be eliminated by any means."

They sought only to exploit and oppress them, not systematically erase them from the face of the earth, hence why I say you can't compare them to the holocaust committed by the nazis.
Sure. Most people killed by capitalism aren't killed with murderous intent, rather killed in the course of a singleminded search for profit - where human life or death is simply irrelevant.

So what? Dead is dead, regardless of your killers' intent. Also, intent is often hard to prove.

So I prefer just to look at people's actions.

The uniqueness issue's been debated before (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=42038), and we don't have to necessarily repeat that debate here. Mostly I was responding to the "fictional Holocaust" business, which smacks of denying an even larger genocide.

[Cryotank Screams]

Given the information provided I am willing to retract my position,; also could someone give me links, or books and such that would provide me information on various other genocides/holocausts?

[Severian]

Besides "Late Victorian Holocausts" (which is mostly about the British Empire) and the thread I just linked...there's "King Leopold's Ghost" about the Congo.

Here on American Indians among other topics (http://www.marxists.org/history/capitalism/white-book-capitalism/index.htm)

On the Middle Passage (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1p277.html)

For a beginning.

[Ahazmaksya]

It is hypocritical that one cannot at all question the holocaust in Germany, or even within the EU where they proclaim great freedom of speech. But is really is hilarious that Iran wants the 'freedom' to discuss it while they do not apply this principle to numerous other issues. Just more jew bashing.