Nazbols in the US

[bezdomni]

http://www.freewebs.com/nationalbolshevikparty/

They seem to be politically irrelevent, but I find it strange that the NazBols exist in countries that weren't in the Soviet Union.

[Whitten]

I thought nazbols were eurasian pan-nationalists? Seems strange they are in America.

[Comrade Marcel]

There are sympathizers and those who "Oceanic" I guess, but yeah a few kids tried to start a chapter in Toronto last year. The anarchists let them have literature in their store in kensington... realy dumb... because they just didn't know any better (the store is now taken over by Rastafarians due to lousy anarchist rules of "non-hierarchy", no disrespect ment to other anarchists here with better sense).

[bcbm]

Somebody needs to smack some sense in to those Toronto anarchists... ;)

[Zero]

Weren't the Naz-Bols rabidly and astoundingly Anti-Western-European, if not just (I hate to use the term) Anti-American?

[boxinghefner]

I like how on the joining page of the Russian site you can send a photo when you join (http://eng.nbp-info.ru/cgi-bin/join.pl) and they'll teach you russian (http://eng.nbp-info.ru/cat34/index.html).



"we have recommended to our followers in few first issues of "Limonka" to wear black jeans, black footwear, to cut their hair short."Edward Limonov


It'd be funny if it wasn't so scary.

[Zero]

Or if they weren't probably dead serious =\.

[Comrade Marcel]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Yuliya.jpg

[Red Menace]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 13, 2006 10:16 pm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Yuliya.jpg
oh my, such a waste <_< interesting patch. everything the nazbols do facisnates me. their salute is the same as the nazi&#39;s except it is close-fisted. and this patch, well, no explanation needed.

[Dimentio]

They have about 55.000 members. If they were legal, they would be the third largest party in Russia. *Scratch-head*

[JazzRemington]

Wow. I thought the only Nazbols were Russian.

[Dimentio]

They have 14 foreign chapters. They had a chapter in Stockholm consisting of two brothers named Sutter, and a Russian emigrant. They also succeeded in partially infiltrating the communist party.

In Russia, nazbols have begin to use anti-fascist arguments and rhetoric.

[Honggweilo]

Why do they even start branches in Latin and North America (the US and Venezuela)? isn&#39;t that the evil "Atlantic" empire?

And about that photo, such a waste indeed :wub:

[Dimentio]

Eduard Limonov have himself stated that he see the world as divided into two factions, the system and it&#39;s enemies. Therefore, it is not surprising that he seek allies even among those who lives in countries which are deemed atlanticist.

BTW - Venezuela is currently not atlanticist according to nazbol ideology. Atlanticism has nothing to do with geography, but is a definition of a specific kind of social order.

Atlanticism: water-based civilisations based on trade and capitalism. Are generally liberal-democratic and grants everyone free and equal rights. Uphold western standards of judiciary and gives right to minorities.

Eurasianism: Land-based civilisations based on labor and socialism/feudalism/autocracy. Are generally left-wing in the economic sphere and right-wing in the social sphere, i.e based on privilegies, discrimination, ethnical clans, Asiatic values.

It is a lot of metaphysics, but derived from early 20th century geostrategic thinking.

[Honggweilo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2006 10:14 am
Eduard Limonov have himself stated that he see the world as divided into two factions, the system and it&#39;s enemies. Therefore, it is not surprising that he seek allies even among those who lives in countries which are deemed atlanticist.

BTW - Venezuela is currently not atlanticist according to nazbol ideology. Atlanticism has nothing to do with geography, but is a definition of a specific kind of social order.

Atlanticism: water-based civilisations based on trade and capitalism. Are generally liberal-democratic and grants everyone free and equal rights. Uphold western standards of judiciary and gives right to minorities.

Eurasianism: Land-based civilisations based on labor and socialism/feudalism/autocracy. Are generally left-wing in the economic sphere and right-wing in the social sphere, i.e based on privilegies, discrimination, ethnical clans, Asiatic values.

It is a lot of metaphysics, but derived from early 20th century geostrategic thinking.
Wow, the geopolitical thinking of the NBP sounds more like an mix between mythology and a bad sience fiction novel than scientific argumented geopolitics, It&#39;s pretty reactionary. And i don&#39;t know why the rant about "western cultural decadence in their liberal society" when they have the nasty habit of promoting pornography in their mixed soviet and fascist agitprop :rolleyes:.

Anyway, do you have link to a source on those definitions of eurasianism and atlaticism according to Nazbols?

[Dimentio]

It is quite hard since it is only visible partially in the political manifest of the NBP, which was inspired by Dugin when we was co-leader together with Limonov. Nowadays, the nazbols around Limonov are purging eurasianist material so they could get support from the US in trying to install an orange scenario in Russia.

But here you will find the most of it.

http://arcto.ru/

You could also use wikipedia.

Nazbols generally do not call their "art" for pornography, but for eroticism and vye for "the Aryan body".

[Guild-soicalist]

I heard that the U.S NaziBols are Russians emigrants.

[Dimentio]

Most probably. In Sweden, they were also Russian emigrants, at least the initiator.

[RedCommieBear]

Wow. I thought the only Nazbols were Russian.

Me too. Reading through their web-site, they respond by saying:


Originally posted by National Bolshevik Party USA FAQ+--> (National Bolshevik Party USA FAQ)The question to be answered is not "what is national-bolshevism", but "what does national-bolshevism mean for us"? That there is such a party as the NBP USA is interesting: isn&#39;t national-bolshevism a specifically Russian or Euro-Russian (Eurasian) ideology? Certainly the modern NB movement is centered in Russia, and much of its doctrine is frankly anti-Western, anti-US, and Russo-nationalist. But there is something in it which is universal and abstract, and to which we can add, that will yield an ideology appropriate for our nation and our time. This abstract core includes opposition to the System, to the "open society", to the tyranny of individualism, democracy, and globalism. [/b]

Similar to The Russian National Bolshevik Party&#39;s idea of creating a Eurasian super-state as a defense agaisnt the United States, the NPB-USA advocates "closer ties with Europe" in defense from Asia (specifically China).


Originally posted by NBP&#045;USA FAQ+--> (NBP&#045;USA FAQ)The formation of an American/European alliance will also help us to compete with the up and coming economies of Asia, specifically that of the militaristic and power hungry China.[/b]

The NPB in the United States seems to be one guy in a basement occasionally updating his website.


NBP&#045;USA Home [email protected]
While I encourage participation in this Party (refering to the "American Co-Operativist Party") I will continue to update and maintain this site both to preserve the efforts of some of America&#39;s earliest National Bolsheviks and to provide a resource for those who have a more nationalist outlook than most of those involved in the new organization.

Those National Bolsheviks are pretty creepy if you ask me.


Serpent
They have about 55,000 members. If they were legal, they would be the third largest party in Russia. *Scratch-head*

Is there any real, strong leftist counter-action in Russia? Any Anti-Fascist Action (or a similar organization) opposition?

[Zero]

... some of America&#39;s earliest National Bolsheviks...Like you?

Damn crazies.

[Guild-soicalist]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 16, 2006 05:03 am

Is there any real, strong leftist counter-action in Russia? Any Anti-Fascist Action (or a similar organization) opposition?
No, but the government represses them alot. On their Russian site I read their news.... It was all about their members getting arrested or disappearing.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 16, 2006 05:03 am
Is there any real, strong leftist counter-action in Russia? Any Anti-Fascist Action (or a similar organization) opposition?
Yes.

Apparently, the Russian antifa is either allied with, or neutral-hostile to the nazbols. You see, nazbols themselves are disliked by nazis because of their leftism. The nazbols do not either attack antifa, but wage a street battle against Putin&#39;s nashi. Nazbols have also copied a lot of anti-fa aesthetics.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2006 12:24 pm
It is quite hard since it is only visible partially in the political manifest of the NBP, which was inspired by Dugin when we was co-leader together with Limonov. Nowadays, the nazbols around Limonov are purging eurasianist material so they could get support from the US in trying to install an orange scenario in Russia.

But here you will find the most of it.

http://arcto.ru/

You could also use wikipedia.

Nazbols generally do not call their "art" for pornography, but for eroticism and vye for "the Aryan body".
how are russians "aryans"?

arent they slavs?

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by NKOS+December 16, 2006 12:27 pm--> (NKOS @ December 16, 2006 12:27 pm)
[email protected] 14, 2006 12:24 pm
It is quite hard since it is only visible partially in the political manifest of the NBP, which was inspired by Dugin when we was co-leader together with Limonov. Nowadays, the nazbols around Limonov are purging eurasianist material so they could get support from the US in trying to install an orange scenario in Russia.

But here you will find the most of it.

http://arcto.ru/

You could also use wikipedia.

Nazbols generally do not call their "art" for pornography, but for eroticism and vye for "the Aryan body".
how are russians "aryans"?

arent they slavs? [/b]
Well, this is a semantical issue, which nazis have misinterpreted.

You see, the Indo-aryans [Iranians, Pakistani, Pashtun, Roma/gypsies and North Indian] are a branch of the Indo-European language tree, while the Slavic, Latin and Germanic languages also are Indo-European.

The only languages in Europe with resemblence to other trees are Welsh, the Ugric languages and Basque.

For about 3.500 years ago, the Indo-Europeans came into Europe and obliterated the previous culture which was based on the worship of a sex godess. The Celtic and Basque cultures were least affected.

So yes, Russians are indo-Europeans.

The German nazis had another view, and saw Russians/Slavs a Mongol-Turk-European hybrid race led by a Nordic elite [which supposedly was obliterated in 1917]. The present Russian nazis are reviving the myths, but against Europeans [they claim that Europeans are too mixed].

[Comrade Marcel]

The nazbols are known to defend immigrants and those in Russia who are not Ruskiyite but others such as Georgians, and other ehtnicities from Siberia, etc.

Also, from my understanding much of their membership is very young (under 18).

[encephalon]

Nazbols are seriously confusing the shit out of me. I thought it was bad enough that they misunderstood both Nazism and Communism (even stalinist) enough to mix the two.. but their subsequent actions have confused me even moreso.

If they get a charismatic leader, the contemporary world is in trouble. And actual communists will be first on the list, just like earlier takeovers.

[Dimentio]

They do not have an actual leader in their party. Every NBP-cell is autonomous. It has allowed them to expand quick, but is detrimental to any strong leadership. I guess they will fall in dismay when Limonov dies, and be out of question until 2010;s.

But I have at least seen some signs that the nazbols, or at least some of them would like to have Vladimir Frolov as thei leader after Limonov, even though he is übernazi. You know, the guy who was known as "interrupt_00h"?

[groundinghubris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2006 10:33 am
Nazbols are seriously confusing the shit out of me. I thought it was bad enough that they misunderstood both Nazism and Communism (even stalinist) enough to mix the two.. but their subsequent actions have confused me even moreso.

If they get a charismatic leader, the contemporary world is in trouble. And actual communists will be first on the list, just like earlier takeovers.
No worries about that happening here in amerikkka. They would be swept up by our new police state if ever thought a threat.
There are many from US now seeing the truth of our government, since they have set themselves up against any of us opposing them.
And since all we have of understanding of Socialism and Communism is the propaganda we have been fed for years, of the evil.
Be patient with us as we try to learn the real teachings, theories, and history.

Besides Nazbols are too much about hate for many to attract very many.

Worry more about the fact that US has largest military, owns 51% of world bank, and has a president who has set in place excutive laws which could be used to make himself permenate leader.
We are very worried here.