Great bit from Henry Ford toward FDR. - Why I loved the man!

[Sean Reynolds]

I won't lie, I believe FDR was the closest the US government came to a socialist society. In fact I do feel if Truman kept FDR's leadership going, our country today would have more social views than it does.

To further my point, most of corporate America hated FDR because he was pro-union. This is a small bit about Ford and FDR written by the BBC:

Big business did not like Roosevelt or the New Deal. they saw it as the government interfering in things that were none of its business. Henry Ford hated Roosevelt. When Roosevelt visited one of Ford's factories during the Second World War, Henry Ford hid from him. He only agreed to meet Roosevelt when his son made him.


Ford = Pussy. Corporate America = Pussy. Time the American people elected another leader like FDR. Maybe then this country could get out of the depths its in.

[Sean Reynolds]

Maybe I should've placed this in history. Oh well.

[Gregorio Allemagna]

Yes, Sean, I couldn't agree with you more. Now that the house of cards these corporate swine built is starting to collapse, it is like turning on a light and watching the cockroaches run.

Maybe November 1929 will repeat and all those corporate types will re-decorate our sidewalks with their Armani suits and blood!

HAPPINESS IS A WARM GUN.

[praxis1966]

FDR's cousin Teddy wasn't half-bad either, at least not in the way of being quotable.

"There is nothing in this world more exhilarating than being shot at and missed."--Teddy Roosevelt

[Sean Reynolds]

Yep, looks like Roosevelt was a commie-pinko. And so was his wife! This is a quote Eleanor Roosevelt said during the war.

"Though Mr. Stalin is a dictator, his efforts have been to help the people prepare themselves for greater power."

Maybe we can re-animate the Roosevelts' and elect them to the office?

[Reuben]

Roosevelt, while progressive, represented one of the options open to the bourgoirsie in the period in which he became president. Faced with an increasingly conscious working class , radicalised further by the depression which followed the wall street crash, liberal capitalism, or classical liberalism could no longer maintain themselves. Te working class throughout the twenties and thirties had already stated using the democratic/pseudo-democratic mechanisms open to them to challenge the concentration of wealth and privelege in the hands of a few, and thus the bourgiousie were forced either to do away with representative institutions as thety did in Italy and Germany, or placate working class opposition through social -democracy, and by the regulation of capitalism. WHile Roosevelt chose the latter, more progressive option, his function in the run was the perpetuation of liberal capitalism.

[Iepilei]

I was reading an interesting piece regarding Stalin's views on the FDR death - which supposedly Stalin believed was an Assassination.

A man named Fletcher Prouty says he learned of this from Lt. Colonel Elliott Roosevelt, the President's son, whom he had met earlieer, in Tehran in 1943, and who later interviewed Stalin for Look Magazine in 1946. During the Look interview, Stalin said he had stopped trusting Eleanor Roosevelt when she refused to allow Soviet ambassador Andrey Gromyko to examine the dead president's body to check that FDR had indeed died of cerebral hemorrhage as claimed. When this request was denied, Stalin decided Elanor was part of a cover up.

Conspiracies are fun! :P

[Nobody]

praxis1966, you're aware that Teddy was a firm believer in Imperailism? He invaded Columbia to break off Panama, etc, etc.

[canikickit]

#Moderation Mode

I had thought of some witty comment to alongside the moving of this thread into History, but my connection is so slow that I've forgotten it.

I've also lost five minutes of my life.

Moved here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=26&topic=425)

[Red Comrade]

Henry Ford was one of the lowest forms of vermin to ever walk this planet.

Henry Ford was BEST friends with Hitler. Infact, Ford had a copy of Mein Kempf and wrote essays inspired by it. Hitler also had a portrait of Ford in his office and Ford was rewarded "Highest citizen award" in Nazi Germany. The reason Ford hated Roosevelt was because he hated Communists (because the bastard was a Nazi) and because Roosevelt declared war on Germany.

FDR was probably the closest the US government will ever come to "compassionate".

[praxis1966]

Quote: from LevTrosky on 3:50 am on June 25, 2003
praxis1966, you're aware that Teddy was a firm believer in Imperailism? He invaded Columbia to break off Panama, etc, etc.
I'm aware of that. All I was saying was that he said some interesting things. Besides, he was pretty good about breaking up trusts and forcing management to deal with labor unions.

All in all, though, there's somthing to be said for the fact that he was once shot in the chest during an assassination attempt. He had his rather lengthy speech folded up in his shirt pocket, and that actually saved him. It was so thick that it stopped the bullet. He then picked himself up (broken ribs and all) and delivered the speech anyhow.

He was one tough son of a *****.

[Reuben]

Henry Ford also wrote 'the international jew' a classic antisemiotc text

[truthaddict11]

did you know that FDRs own admin had anti-semites in it including one man who wanted or did deny Jewish refugees to come to america because they might be "communists" or agents of hitler. plus the deliberate not bombing train tracks leading to concentration camps.

yeah great guy FDR was.

[oki]

Quote: from Reuben on 12:43 pm on June 27, 2003
Henry Ford also wrote 'the international jew' a classic antisemiotc text




yea now I'm confused.why would a socialist like ford?I allways understood he was a flatout facist.a very nasty man.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I have to say that FDR was the greatest president the American people ever had. As far as Truman not being progressive enough (which I do not think he was, me being a Marxist and all), things I have read suggest Truman supported things like socialized health care only to be shot down by the Republicans in Congress.