The PLP

[Ol' Dirty]

I would like to know people's opinions about the Progressive Labor Party, or PLP. I'm interested in joining but don't know if I'm quite convinced yet.

Please put this in learning. Thank you :)

[Hiero]

Is this the PLP in Australia?

[Ol' Dirty]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2006 11:47 pm
Is this the PLP in Australia?
American.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Wait, are those the "anarcho-stalinist" guys?

[amanondeathrow]

The PLP claims to desire a direct path to "communism" immeditaly after a revolution because previous socialist states, which they beleive were progressive at times, all eventually led back to capitalism.

They uphold the Stalin era USSR as the most progressive democracy in history, but seek to skip that step because they see it as easily suseptible to "capitalist roaders".

A strongly centralized worker's party is somehow expected to make this transition without going through the socialist faze. They support useing extrem authoritarian tactics to protect this system, all of which are remnisent of Stalinist Russia, so they are not really "anarcho stalinists" as much as extremist stalinists.

I don't really know too much about their activism, but from what I have heard they are fairly active, but very sectarian. If they are the only group active in your area and you're willing to deal with their somewhat strange ideology I would recomend joining, but any other active group would be a better choice if possible.

I remeber previous threads on the group but can't seem to find any through a search.

[Severian]

A couple past threads that should answer some questions about PL:
link (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=46362)
link (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=18743)

In reading Redstar's comments on PL, it's interesting to keep in mind he's a former member of PL himself.

I've come in contact with it a time or two myself. Mostly they sell their paper on the streetcorrner. They have a Mayday march in Chicago every year.

As far as participation in mass actions and the real class struggle, nope. They don't have much to do with it. Which is probably for the best.

[Floyce White]

Comicon? If you're in Southern California, they have a big May Day march in Los Angeles. It's usually held on the Saturday that's closest to May 1. I suggest you go to it and talk to the people there. You'll find more info on the PLP Web site (http://www.plp.org).

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2006 12:03 am
As far as participation in mass actions and the real class struggle, nope. They don't have much to do with it. Which is probably for the best.
I find that ironic from a guy with a signature for the militant. Thoes guys are known as the Communist League in Britain. They seem to solely exist to sell books and their American paper. It's hilarious to see people selling an American paper in Britain. Only even I've ever seen them hold was a meeting where they invited a Cuban bueraucrat over to speak.

[wangwei]

I consider the PLP to be the most important revolutionary organization in the world. The only other organization I esteem as highly as the PLP is the FdCA in Italy. I highly respect NEFAC and RAAN as well, but I think the PLP is highly advanced.

1.) The PLP provides a Marxist dialectical explanation for why a direct fight to communism is necessary. A direct fight to communism will require anarchist struggle. I believe it's only a matter of time before they figure that out. They are directly involved in the class struggle, and they work in the working class. They have already grasped the necessity of building within the working class internationally and have consistently fought the Klan, Nazis, the minutemen, and other fascist groups. Their fascination with Stalin is bit disturbing, but in the historical context, Stalin was the logical conclusion of the statist philosophy of socialism theorized by Lenin. Trots don't divorce themselves from the state, so they blame the bogeyman Stalin, as opposed to seeing him as the organic outgrowth from Leninism.

2.) The FdCA provides the Historical Materialism epistemelogical polemic for Anarchist Communism. They also just advanced the understanding that an international organization is necessary and are going to be working to facilitate it. 2. The proletarian internationalism of the popular struggles (http://www.fdca.it/fdcaen/index.htm)
The FdCA will therefore support, promote and assist every initiative aimed at re-building a large international movement

which the PLP has been doing since 1980 with their manifestosRRIV (http://www.plp.org/pl_magazine/rr4.html) and IV.5 (http://www.plp.org/misc/rr45.html).

RAAN is great because they provide a Marxist analysis to their work, but I don't agree with their stance on organization. I don't see it as being able to survive the repression that will be coming with fascism.

NEFAC is also great, but again, I don't agree with their concept of organization. I do love their theoritical journal and the fact that they introduced Espicifisimo (http://nefac.net/node/2081) to the US. They are an organization to watch, and every one of them that I've met is levelheaded and dedicated.

If you have any chance at all to join the PLP, I would suggest doing so. You'll learn a lot and be active in the class struggle.

[Q]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2006 03:59 am
I would like to know people's opinions about the Progressive Labor Party, or PLP. I'm interested in joining but don't know if I'm quite convinced yet.

Please put this in learning. Thank you :)
I would like to suggest that you also look into the Socialist Alternative (http://socialistalternative.org/) :P

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2006 09:16 pm
I consider the PLP to be the most important revolutionary organization in the world.
In the world? What about groups that are actually carrying out revolution like the CPI-(M), CPN-(M), and the APPO?

[Zeruzo]

Originally posted by Q-collective+December 15, 2006 09:23 pm--> (Q-collective @ December 15, 2006 09:23 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2006 03:59 am
I would like to know people's opinions about the Progressive Labor Party, or PLP. I'm interested in joining but don't know if I'm quite convinced yet.

Please put this in learning. Thank you :)
I would like to suggest that you also look into the Socialist Alternative (http://socialistalternative.org/) :P [/b]
You truly are obsessed, aren't you. When someone asks: hey dude, do you know any Trot party. I wont say, yeah you should check out the RCP dude!

[Krasnaya]

I dislike the CPN-(M). The CPI-(M) is much better.

Heres a link: http://peoplesmarch.googlepages.com/

Read the interview with CPI-(M) spokesperson.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 10:12 pm
I dislike the CPN-(M). The CPI-(M) is much better.

Heres a link: http://peoplesmarch.googlepages.com/

Read the interview with CPI-(M) spokesperson.
frankly comrade,

I don't think the point is to compare them. The point is that its silly to claim the PLP is the most revolutionary group, when there are groups now that are actually carrying out revolution.

[Rawthentic]

I know that this is off topic, but Zeruzo, your signature is quite sickening. Those quotes which are mostly true come from Stalin, a sick bastard that perverted the name of communism. The fact that what he says has some truth is so hypocritical because Russia was never socialist or capitalist before the revolution! And he killed millions of people and was just a state-capitalist gangster. He should have been killed.

[Krasnaya]

I know that this is off topic, but Zeruzo, your signature is quite sickening. Those quotes which are mostly true come from Stalin, a sick bastard that perverted the name of communism. The fact that what he says has some truth is so hypocritical because Russia was never socialist or capitalist before the revolution! And he killed millions of people and was just a state-capitalist gangster. He should have been killed.

Stop whining about things you dont understand, youre a child.


frankly comrade,

I don't think the point is to compare them. The point is that its silly to claim the PLP is the most revolutionary group, when there are groups now that are actually carrying out revolution.

I agree, I was just making a side note.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2006 04:35 am
I know that this is off topic, but Zeruzo, your signature is quite sickening. Those quotes which are mostly true come from Stalin, a sick bastard that perverted the name of communism. The fact that what he says has some truth is so hypocritical because Russia was never socialist or capitalist before the revolution! And he killed millions of people and was just a state-capitalist gangster. He should have been killed.
Stalin didn't, brutal class war did as well as the side effects of rapid industrialization (which would save millions in the long run).


I agree, I was just making a side note.


Heres a link: http://peoplesmarch.googlepages.com/

Read the interview with CPI-(M) spokesperson.

here is another Naxalite blog. which I reccomend

http://naxalrevolution.blogspot.com/

The interview is good, but I'm annoyed at how sectarian comrades in Nepal and India are ie their distrust of the CPN-UML and vica-versa. If the CPN-UML merged with the CPN-M, they might be able to overthrow the government via people's war, not participate in bourgieousie elections.