Finding comrades in highschool

[Dante666]

I need advice on how to find fellow comrades in my highschool. All I have managed to dig up so far is one anarchist who I have yet to become closer friends with and a few sympothisers. I would like to know personal stories advice ideas anything to build stronger leftist communities in my highschool or other schools.
(sorry if this is a repeat of a former thread)

[Sir_No_Sir]

Heres what I did in 8th grade:
USE MYSPACE-CANNOT OVERSTATE IT
USE SPEECHES,PAPERS for school EVEN POEMS
basically,make it be known
also pass out opt out forms
if you see someone with a good che shirt on, or a "Think. Its not illegal,yet." shirt on, talk to em. Most likely they wll be sympathetic
wear shirts to school about it


also, it doesnt hurt if your appealing to the opposite sex-they WILL listen

[Dante666]

well I have done the greater portion of that I"m pretty sure people can tell something is up when I walk down the hall whereing a army jacket with a che patch and pin and a stencil of subcomandante marcos on the back though I don't know thats obvous enough. Also I have made it clear in several of my classes that I am a communist (History I frequently bring up things like Oaxaca, EZLN, indigenous rights and in English I gave a speech about me being a communist in relation to the crucible) I try to bring it up as often as I can. Oh and I do have a myspace and I do use it.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 04:29 am
well I have done the greater portion of that I"m pretty sure people can tell something is up when I walk down the hall whereing a army jacket with a che patch and pin and a stencil of subcomandante marcos on the back though I don't know thats obvous enough. Also I have made it clear in several of my classes that I am a communist (History I frequently bring up things like Oaxaca, EZLN, indigenous rights and in English I gave a speech about me being a communist in relation to the crucible) I try to bring it up as often as I can. Oh and I do have a myspace and I do use it.
Just give it a month or two, it should be fine.

[Dante666]

okay man but its been over a year now that I have been trying to be as actively communist as I can be.. even in math class <.<

[Red Menace]

I had this problem too. Any history class will have a liberal or two, even more depending on where you live. Talk to them, they may be sympathetic to your cause. Ask them if they know any other leftists. This is what I did, and I met several other comrades. Clothes are often an indicator, but don&#39;t rely on it, because they may be posers. Just be aware of your surrounding and your bound to meet a comrade.

[propertyistheft]

Depends waht type of atmosphere your school has, stereotypically you should strike up conversations with punk, grunge, and hippie kids, music is a great way to meet comrades. Certain music is political, but this is not a fail proof way to meet comrades, i know 2 kids who go to my school and dress like hippies long hair and everything, and they are republicans, if you have clubs like a GaY Straight Alliance, or any progressive minded group, thats a good way. Once you find enough kids you can create your own group. I made a group called students for social change. It used to be students for social revolution, but the principal threatened suspension. Basically its made up of communists and anarchists, and other leftists. We organize food not bombs, a radical library with everything from the communist manifesto to the anarchist cookbook, we hold this library in a students library that we all have the combo for. And yo never know, sometimes following stereotypes is a great way to meet comrades.

[which doctor]

Politics are boring to most high school kids, and rightly so.

If you really want to attract fellow comrades, then make (anti) politics relavant to their everyday lives.

[Rawthentic]

Im in high school too, Im a junior. What i do is talk to people about what communism is, and try to connect their daily struggles with anti-capitalism, pointing out how much better communism would be and why it is a possible world.

[Rawthentic]

Say, Dante666, you have some balls. Tell me, in detail, how is it you address the class on such issues as communism and Oaxaca. I&#39;d like to know. Luck

[Dante666]

These are all great suggestions and all but i have to say I have tried most of them. I listen to tons of punk but most of the punks that go to my school could give a shit about polotics accept the one anarchist girl, I advertise myself as a communist like crazy my friend laughed at the notion that I should further persue that, I spread anti-capitalism like all hell, and I always say I hate politician becuase they do nothing only activists get shit done.


Say, Dante666, you have some balls. Tell me, in detail, how is it you address the class on such issues as communism and Oaxaca. I&#39;d like to know. Luck

lets see I mention it in discusions about
-american relations with latin america around (spanish american war)
-protests
-autonomy
-idegenous societies
-peoples rights
basically anything that is an issue effected by capitalism I put it into a communist perspective and in english the only two books we have read are- The cruicible and The grapes of Wrath so I have not run across many troubles

Thanks comrades for all the sudjestions and please keep them comeing I think its important that highschool kids like me have a way to connect with fellow comrades. Maybe even a data base, if its not to dangerous, of different comrades in different locations.

[Bretty123]

I&#39;d honestly think by now if there were anyone sympathetic to your opinion they would of become noticed by now. Maybe there isn&#39;t anyone :mellow:

[Dante666]

idk there are people who are sypathetic but they still all think I&#39;m crazy on one level or another <_< I should start posting flyers more maybe some narco news stuff see if anyone pays attention

[An archist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 04:29 am
well I have done the greater portion of that I"m pretty sure people can tell something is up when I walk down the hall whereing a army jacket with a che patch and pin and a stencil of subcomandante marcos on the back though I don&#39;t know thats obvous enough.
yeah, that should be obvious to most people. In Highschool almost every leftist wore a palestinian scarf or had antifa patches, ché shirts, dreads, mohawks, so it was pretty obvious.
Don&#39;t know what you school rules are to that extent though.

[Concept]

been outta high school for 5 years now about but i was left there and always met with opposition to my views....i&#39;d bring up Hezbollah and Al-Qaida (Al-Qaida is fighting but there shouldn&#39;t be civilian casualities, target military/politicians they r one in the same really)

its seems ppl are in such a daze, world affairs have no affect on them
it can be hard to dive into political ideology on top of all the school work (education is key as we will still need specialists in a post-revolution state)
just keep at it and try to get some converts or dig and find anybody u can who is left
revleft is an amazing resource...the age of technology baby&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

i live in a relatively small town (30k pop)...haven&#39;t met any leftists yet and voice my opinion on matters often
a couple ppl tho r on the way to converting i think

[Dante666]

Revleft is incredible. But ya today I met with that anarchist girl and asked her and apparently there is one other kid who is an anarchist and I was hopeing that I could gather the three of us or w/e and build a stronger community apon that even for future students. I face a hell of a lot of opposition (the young democrats club <_< ) and its tough but I have had to deal with it a lot now so I&#39;m finally getting use to it. Anybody have any idea how to build strong leftist communities or even communities in a highschool enviroment.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Im 14 yes old and have been trying to get my opinion acros in school. People are so igronant these days, i hinted for months, mentioning communism at every opportunity but people igrored it until.....I got caught carving a hammer and Sickle into the desk at school, this ended in me disgussing political ideoligy it a chem. teacher(who is a marxist) and the Q&#39;s came flowing in....whats a communist?etc. Know we have interesting discusions. Some sympathisers, some opposition and some who dont understand. In my history class i was the only one who knew what communism is&#33; One guy thought it was mass slaughter during war&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;lol

[Chocobo]

Im a junior in highschool and ive expanded my leftist faction quite a lot. I&#39;m a much more active person, so to say, then most. I&#39;ve been arrested 5 times for public speaking (disturbance) (Climbed on top of a subway with a megaphone:P), 3 times for "non-permit" demonstrating, and a bunch of illegal shit which came about only because im a leftist (Political graffiti for example), so i&#39;m not so sure your gonna like my advice, but i&#39;ll give it anyway.

You know history classes, almost everything any nation will tell you about itself is bullshit and bias the fuck out of any other foreign nations to make itself look beneficial. Well when you hear the propaganda speak out&#33; Don&#39;t let one thing slide&#33; I&#39;ve kept full period debates up because I read the textbook definition of communism;
A political and economic system controlled by a dictator, FUCK THAT&#33; Countless amount of times i&#39;ve been brought down to the principal for "class distrubance" when in reality I was giving truth&#33; Don&#39;t let anything slide, history = influential time to speak

Whoever said use myspace, your right. I hate myspace, I can&#39;t stand it. Looking at all the typical people, so many already brainwashed and completly null to reality, argg, I hate it so much&#33; But if you use it, and you type up a nice, long, powerful statement in your "about me", have an attractive picture (Pot leaf with a communist symbol in the middle for me at the moment. I don&#39;t even smoke pot :P ), and a nice long, various list of friends, then your almost guaranteed to get someone to either 1) Be an typical person and combat whatever you said with reactionary thoughts, or 2) Actually be interested and ask more, in-depth questions towards what you stand for. Both of these are beneficial for the cause, for even the reactionary your getting your word out there. So what if their just waiting for their turn to speak and not listening, you got your word out there and who knows, maybe one of their friends will see it. NEVER INSULT&#33; Doesn&#39;t do any good. Keep everything equal, or at least neutral, never fully negative someone unless they go into an all negative subject.

"Underground" organizing. Start an underground, leftist, student organization...which most likely consists of only you. Make flyers, posters, and whatever else you can and entitle everything with your underground organization name. And when I say flyers and posters, I mean a TON of them. Remember, were dealing with teenagers here, a lot of typical, television first, books last teenagers who will most likely either doodle or just rip down everything you make. Keep posting them though&#33; No matter what. People will read them (Especially if their colorful and have pictures) and that is what counts. My school is very authoritarian and by posting flyers and such up without a permit from the principal can get you two weeks suspended, plus, there are cameras in the hall. So if your school has similar policies, don&#39;t think its over, throw a scarf around your face, wear a hat, and run like a madman with paper and tape. You post about 30 papers up before you either get caught or there are two many teachers and authority figures out looking for you then thats terrific. I&#39;d suggest doing that after the hall&#39;s clear out of course, more room to run.

If you do establish a leftist crew then that is up to you how you use it. I like to do theatrics. Their entertaining, yet informative. The last one we did was in October, where a bunch of my friends dressed up as sheep and sheppards while I and another person had a megaphone and stood outside the bus platform at the end of the day and used the sheep(ple) to represent the workers and the sheppards being capitalists. Everyone was beating each other up and it was just pretty chaotic actually, but it was an attempt none the less.

INDEPENDENT MAGAZINES&#33; I cannot stress that enough. Magazines, especially if you have the funds to get the nice magazine paper :) are absolutly wonderful ways to send the truth. I&#39;m only in one right now (Libertarian press&#33; Woot, sweet name, right?) and we leave our magazines around the local coffee shops and independent buisness&#39;s (With permission from the owners, because otherwise they just get thrown out). Their obviously free&#33; Seriously, independent magazines are one of the best ways i&#39;ve ever sent out information on the world and such, def. recommended.

I&#39;d also recommend attempting to start clubs in your school. I failed at this, because I have a terrible reputation to the authoritive figures, but a pal of mine from the town over started an environmental club. Its pretty sick, I always go with them for whatever they do, be it beach clean ups to roadside clean ups. When you start a club we have to subject ourselves to teacher-hierarchy of it. Meaning, you have to get a teacher usually to represent it and monitor it. Try to get a good teacher if you do this, one that is an actual teacher, so to say. Some people frown on clubs, and I used to, but this year I joined the philosophy club ( :lol: one of the most neglected clubs). At first it was lame, they went over issues with little relevancy or importance which really didn&#39;t require much thought at all and most of the time the discussions came to conclusions&#33; But I sort of introduced economics to the club and its been extremly fun and educational ever since. Its not really left vs right either, its actually full discussions on mainly utopist ideals, but its interesting none the less. So yah, clubs are recommended&#33;

Hope this helps you out in getting the students aware. Goodluck&#33;

[An archist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2006 08:25 pm
Revleft is incredible. But ya today I met with that anarchist girl and asked her and apparently there is one other kid who is an anarchist and I was hopeing that I could gather the three of us or w/e and build a stronger community apon that even for future students. I face a hell of a lot of opposition (the young democrats club <_< ) and its tough but I have had to deal with it a lot now so I&#39;m finally getting use to it. Anybody have any idea how to build strong leftist communities or even communities in a highschool enviroment.
:lol: You&#39;re so gonna believe in anarchism in a year or so.
A mate of mine is going through the same thing, hanging out with anarchists will turn you in one yourself.

[Dante666]

I need to get my hands on some flyers. My school isn&#39;t as athoritarian so I&#39;m sure if the bible club can post about meeting at the flag poll I can post about anarchy, communism, leftism, and all that good stuff.



QUOTE (Dante666 @ December 07, 2006 08:25 pm)
Revleft is incredible. But ya today I met with that anarchist girl and asked her and apparently there is one other kid who is an anarchist and I was hopeing that I could gather the three of us or w/e and build a stronger community apon that even for future students. I face a hell of a lot of opposition (the young democrats club dry.gif ) and its tough but I have had to deal with it a lot now so I&#39;m finally getting use to it. Anybody have any idea how to build strong leftist communities or even communities in a highschool enviroment.

laugh.gif You&#39;re so gonna believe in anarchism in a year or so.
A mate of mine is going through the same thing, hanging out with anarchists will turn you in one yourself.

Trust me I&#39; turn more and more into one every day. I&#39;m still mostly a communist just becuase communist get more crap for being radical than anarchists in america


Try to get a good teacher if you do this, one that is an actual teacher, so to say. Some people frown on clubs, and I used to, but this year I joined the philosophy club ( laugh.gif one of the most neglected clubs). At first it was lame, they went over issues with little relevancy or importance which really didn&#39;t require much thought at all and most of the time the discussions came to conclusions&#33; But I sort of introduced economics to the club and its been extremly fun and educational ever since. Its not really left vs right either, its actually full discussions on mainly utopist ideals, but its interesting none the less.

My schools philosphy club talks way to much about relligous philosophy which I always manage to spin around to communism. I think one of the tricks is not to seem like a conspiracy nut so I try to be moderate about my responses


You know history classes, almost everything any nation will tell you about itself is bullshit and bias the fuck out of any other foreign nations to make itself look beneficial. Well when you hear the propaganda speak out&#33; Don&#39;t let one thing slide&#33; I&#39;ve kept full period debates up because I read the textbook definition of communism;
QUOTE
A political and economic system controlled by a dictator
, FUCK THAT&#33; Countless amount of times i&#39;ve been brought down to the principal for "class distrubance" when in reality I was giving truth&#33; Don&#39;t let anything slide, history = influential time to speak

My history teacher this year is cool and I bring up alot of historical evidence that shows the horrors of capatalism (ie: imperialism, voteing fraud.. ect.) and I always refer stuff to modern events. I got into lots of 1 on 1 arguments with my teacher last year. The same teacher who taught us in freshman year that comunism doesn&#39;t work becuase there always has to be a dictator who will eventualy be over thrown which is obvously bull shit but she said it was in the communist mannifesto. She got mad at me alot for being very one sided.

Thank you again for the suggestions I&#39;m going to put some of this stuff to work and post back I also think this thread could be usefull to other comrades out there struggling in highschool or any school

[Chocobo]

I need to get my hands on some flyers. My school isn&#39;t as athoritarian so I&#39;m sure if the bible club can post about meeting at the flag poll I can post about anarchy, communism, leftism, and all that good stuff.
Indeed, try to add some "sensationalism" into it as well. Right now i&#39;m working on a Malachi Ritscher poster to go over what he just did (Corporate media didn&#39;t cover it....). Sometimes i&#39;ll throw up some political ideal flyers, but mainly I stick with events and historical figures, and of course throw the leftist taste in it. Since were dealing with current day youth, we gotta keep the typical ones in mind...which is they don&#39;t like much reading and are null to any real problems in the world due to first person shooters and television, so lets keep the sensationalism in there&#33;



My history teacher this year is cool and I bring up alot of historical evidence that shows the horrors of capatalism (ie: imperialism, voteing fraud.. ect.) and I always refer stuff to modern events. I got into lots of 1 on 1 arguments with my teacher last year. The same teacher who taught us in freshman year that comunism doesn&#39;t work becuase there always has to be a dictator who will eventualy be over thrown which is obvously bull shit but she said it was in the communist mannifesto. She got mad at me alot for being very one sided
haha, tell me about it. I have a patriot, democrat history teacher this year. Hes good to debate with but shit, our debates can get bloody fuckin steamy.



Trust me I&#39; turn more and more into one every day. I&#39;m still mostly a communist just becuase communist get more crap for being radical than anarchists in america
I went down the same path....but once like, you understand Marxism I found Anarchism pretty ridiculous and Utopist but because my entire crew was anarchist I just took up the most radical of titles, anarchism w/o adjectives, but fuck that, back to orthodox marxism.


Thank you again for the suggestions I&#39;m going to put some of this stuff to work and post back I also think this thread could be usefull to other comrades out there struggling in highschool or any school
Def. i&#39;m just as interested in tactics as well. STUDENT VANGUARD&#33; BRING IT&#33; (Jk :P )

[Boriznov]

At my school i almost got kicked out because of my discussions i always bring up in classes, there are absolutely no students that share the same views with me, only reviosinists and wannabe anarchists that care more about there dope then there views

[Janus]

At my school i almost got kicked out because of my discussions i always bring up in classes
What? You were almost expelled simply for your discussions?

[Dante666]

At my school i almost got kicked out because of my discussions i always bring up in classes

Faccist school... Keep bringing it up though piss them off its your 1st amendmant right keep talking about it every chance u get


Indeed, try to add some "sensationalism" into it as well. Right now i&#39;m working on a Malachi Ritscher poster to go over what he just did (Corporate media didn&#39;t cover it....). Sometimes i&#39;ll throw up some political ideal flyers, but mainly I stick with events and historical figures, and of course throw the leftist taste in it. Since were dealing with current day youth, we gotta keep the typical ones in mind...which is they don&#39;t like much reading and are null to any real problems in the world due to first person shooters and television, so lets keep the sensationalism in there&#33;

for starters I was thinking about going around with a sharpy and crossing out, on the democrats club posters, young democrats and right under it hitler youth and putting up some anarchist propaganda and maybe some other leftists stuff (communist stuff zpatista stuff ect).


haha, tell me about it. I have a patriot, democrat history teacher this year. Hes good to debate with but shit, our debates can get bloody fuckin steamy.

my algebra teacher this year is a bastard he pits everyone against each other and his class is a constant competition for survival. I&#39;m honestly contemplating starting a union. You know its bad when your just into second term and there are 3 drop outs @[email protected] he is an ass.

[phragit]

For me, there is nothing easy, regarding indicators.......but, I live in the same city McCarthy lived in. The only communists in my school, a communist economics teacher, a friend [we played D&D together, before] and myself. My only suggestions are to speak in plain english [I have a hard time with this] and speak of common topics, as a lead-in at minimum.

[Boriznov]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2006 10:51 pm
What? You were almost expelled simply for your discussions?
yes, you simply have to agree with what the teachers gives you. you may not disagree because that disturbs the class :wacko:

[Chocobo]

for starters I was thinking about going around with a sharpy and crossing out, on the democrats club posters, young democrats and right under it hitler youth and putting up some anarchist propaganda and maybe some other leftists stuff (communist stuff zpatista stuff ect).
Et, thats kind of like starting a political machine, and if the majority either A) Don&#39;t care about politics, or B: Are democrats/republicans, then most likely their not going to take any of that serious, or if you draw Hitler call you a nazi and not give a fuck about its meaning. The reason I say that was I used a similar tactic my sophmore year against the bible club (Since I lack a democrat club, politics club though, pretty much wack though). They would post up about a 100 of these flyers with a mini picture of "The last supper" and it was like, "Come discuss the Da Vinci Code" and yada yada. Well, i&#39;m an atheist, and religion is shit, and seeing all this christian dominance everywhere got me really pissed because all that does is conform the masses. So I went around and drew satanic symbols over all of them or drew horns on Jesus. Well what happened with that was that it didn&#39;t really divert people&#39;s attention away from religion, it just got all the fake-religious people and reactionarys pissed and on the lookout for me. Well I like to run my mouth so people knew it was me. After getting in about 3 fights (Won them all though. Been in over 40 fights, nobodys taken me down&#33; Bring it&#33; :ph34r: ) and lost a lot of credibility, I dropped the entire "fight fire with fire" tactics and thats when I started my "Student underground" idea.

Maybe your school will react differently though, who knows? Goodluck if you do that too by the way. Let me know what sort of slogans, quotes, or pictures you use.


yes, you simply have to agree with what the teachers gives you. you may not disagree because that disturbs the class
Hmm, thats a shame thats how it is, are there any other alternatives for you? Any after school programs you can use? Also, why don&#39;t you bring that up at the town hall? You should def. consider that because that amount of censorship is almost as bad as this boards&#33; ( :lol: jk)

[Boriznov]

the townhall is run by what you would call republicans, they even want a restriction on how late young people can walk around the streets.
no after school programs, no school clubs like you guys have, it&#39;s a very disciplinary school. all the schools in my area are like this.

[Chocobo]

the townhall is run by what you would call republicans, they even want a restriction on how late young people can walk around the streets.
no after school programs, no school clubs like you guys have, it&#39;s a very disciplinary school. all the schools in my area are like this.
Well thats good you don&#39;t have a curfew yet. The one where I live (New Jersey, AmeriKKKa) is 10pm. Do they enforce it? Last month I got arrested and hit on the head with a nightstick because of it. The story is that a cop detained me and I had called a parent to come get me. Well he told me to kneel down before him, so I said no, thats degrading. The fat pig then gets out of the car to arrest me, so I tell him to fuck off, and the cop behind me belts me on the head with a night stick, and I got arrested. I fought for brutality, but I was "resisting arrest". FUCKING BULLSHIT&#33;

I can understand with your town being controlled by the conservatives. It seems that your left with the option of expulsion or censorship. I&#39;d still recommend you try. A lot of the time the local newspaper will be stationed at city hall meeting. Make a thourough case for the end of censorship and a newspaper will be interested in you and you&#39;ll get an article. Dunno how much a reputation will do you but perhaps it will help you in organizing those with similar thoughts. Once the masses are ready march on back to city hall&#33;

Also, where is it that your from? Just wondering.

[Boriznov]

i live in belgium in the flemish part. my town is really full of old conservative people, my mom says i can&#39;t wear my hamer and sickle badge on my arm because she&#39;s afraid that people will attack me :wacko:. i already get looked upon weird because i have long hair. some people may think i&#39;m exagerating (sp ?) but in my eyes this is all happening. everyone is becoming mad because there are coming alot of immigrants to my town. i talk alot about communism and how fucked up capitalism is every chance i get, that&#39;s why i get all the warnings. i disturb the class because i&#39;m not afraid to challenge the teacher to the truth.


also that&#39;s fucked up man :s the cops here once let me guess what my fine would be for riding without lights on my bike, it was a game for them and they laughed at me because i didn&#39;t get it right. fat pigs they are.

they once went straight ahead ignoring this drug gang that was standing there just to go to me and my friends and question what we were doing there standing outside a swimming pool


i excuse for my english :)

[( R )evolution]

At the start of the school year the only commie&#39;s in my school were my friend and me. I voiced my opinion in ever forum available. English class is great because you always have to write quick-writes or something. Ever paper I have written always has a communist message intertwined. We did a paper on who we admire and I did Karl Marx. Then we had to do on someone who affected us and I did a friend of mine who brought me into communism. Then we did a persuasive essay and I did why Israel is the real terrorist. I am in the process of making the communist club right now at my school. And the end of the 1st semester I have successful converted 10 people and educated possible hundreds more. No one in my school gives a shit about politics so it is kind of hard to get them to listen.

[Rawthentic]

Holy shit, how did you get that many people converted? Im working on one guy right now. I hope that you arent just shoving rhetoric onto them, but explaining it in a way that they can physically see. So, what tactics do you use? Hope to hear some good stuff.

[Chris Hiv_E_]

The idea of anarchism tends to be very popular among kids in my area but they tend to just use it as a tool to be rebellious and preach chaos and disorder to everyone. But look for a group of teenagers with a bunch of circle-a&#39;s drawn on their hands or shirts and try to introduce them to the real leftist ideology. Some will find it really interesting.

[( R )evolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2006 12:56 am
Holy shit, how did you get that many people converted? Im working on one guy right now. I hope that you arent just shoving rhetoric onto them, but explaining it in a way that they can physically see. So, what tactics do you use? Hope to hear some good stuff.
Naw I am not just shoving stuff down there throat like Christians. Just I show them how biased our text books are and how capitalism is horrible. Every time I had the chance to tell them about communism and the horrors of capitalism. And gradually people began to recognize my message. Also I help them out by buying around 20 copies of the communist manifesto from a leftist book shop in my town (I got a good price had to jump on it) and passed them out. Also I told them about this site which greatly increased there interest because of the very logical arguments that take place here.
I am very lucky because I have a lot of open minded people. Now my whole class knows that the USSR, N. Korea, China and other countries that say there communist are really not.

[Dante666]

wow... danm alot of u have it alot worse than I do I mean I live in Massachusets it tends to be very excepting but on one side everyone is eather a democrat or doesn&#39;t care and cynicism runs rampamant like a plague. People just hate the world I guess but my suggestion for everyone else and myself to (some extent) is to keep fighting. I&#39;m going to hit my school and town hard with a dose of leftism.


Naw I am not just shoving stuff down there throat like Christians. Just I show them how biased our text books are and how capitalism is horrible. Every time I had the chance to tell them about communism and the horrors of capitalism. And gradually people began to recognize my message. Also I help them out by buying around 20 copies of the communist manifesto from a leftist book shop in my town (I got a good price had to jump on it) and passed them out. Also I told them about this site which greatly increased there interest because of the very logical arguments that take place here.
I am very lucky because I have a lot of open minded people. Now my whole class knows that the USSR, N. Korea, China and other countries that say there communist are really not.
along the way I have got 2 or 3 people to believe in communism but they all eventually just stop careing. Communism is viewed as outragous in my school and everyone thinks there suddenly smarter than you becuase they can say "communism sounds good but it just doesn&#39;t work". People are just really turned off by polotics with all of american polotics. Theres no passion in American polotics just senseless rambeling and bull shit and people saying things will chang but they never do. Well anyways thanks for all the personal experiences and advice and stuff I will put it all to good use.

[Chocobo]

i live in belgium in the flemish part. my town is really full of old conservative people, my mom says i can&#39;t wear my hamer and sickle badge on my arm because she&#39;s afraid that people will attack me . i already get looked upon weird because i have long hair. some people may think i&#39;m exagerating (sp ?) but in my eyes this is all happening. everyone is becoming mad because there are coming alot of immigrants to my town. i talk alot about communism and how fucked up capitalism is every chance i get, that&#39;s why i get all the warnings. i disturb the class because i&#39;m not afraid to challenge the teacher to the truth.
Damn, sounds like a pretty based town, and be careful. I don&#39;t know that part of the world too much but if a town is that biased with a one sided political ideal then there can be some bad shit thrown at you for distrubing it. How about doing a little underground activity? Or even start up an internet blog or flier fiesta based on your town, expressing concerns and such over its choices. Instead of just attacking the system, attack the town&#39;s system, and see if you can attract the youth to get interested in the rebelious culture. Of course from there its only a matter of time till your explaining communism and lending out books (Which nobody EVER returns&#33;) I don&#39;t know though, thats a pretty exagerant idea, and if you create a solid underground thing exposing the town politics and its politicians then thats pretty serious stuff, so be careful if ya do it&#33; I&#39;ll try and think of a more solid way to help ya out, gotta study up on that part of the world first :ph34r:

And your English is fine. I&#39;m guessing your bilingual? Which if ya are thats awesome, takes real skill for that.


At the start of the school year the only commie&#39;s in my school were my friend and me. I voiced my opinion in ever forum available. English class is great because you always have to write quick-writes or something. Ever paper I have written always has a communist message intertwined. We did a paper on who we admire and I did Karl Marx. Then we had to do on someone who affected us and I did a friend of mine who brought me into communism. Then we did a persuasive essay and I did why Israel is the real terrorist. I am in the process of making the communist club right now at my school. And the end of the 1st semester I have successful converted 10 people and educated possible hundreds more. No one in my school gives a shit about politics so it is kind of hard to get them to listen.

Interesting, and very nice progress. Out of curiosity, what do you plan to do with the Commie Club? Like, what will be its activitys and such? Just discussing or possible trips to places? I once had the idea of starting a radical politics club outside of the politics club but I couldn&#39;t really think of its use, ya know? I could never really think of its prime value except to teach people about communism, but come on, teaching communism everyday? Its a whole new course&#33; But let me know your ideas, i&#39;d love to hear them.

[Dimentio]

Here in Sweden, the schools are mostly left, and high school students are very often listening to Rage Against the Machine, Kent, and other semi-punk bands. They wear t-shirts with the USSR texts, Che Guevara&#39;s face, an organises parties. They are mostly lifestyle leftists who are consuming a leftist culture while actually being quite conservative.

Compared to me during that time, they were radical.

During that time, I mostly burned condomes at the school yard, worshipped kaiser Vilhelm II, and wanted a conservative, puritanist society where pre-marriage sex would be harshly punished. :D :D :D

[Ariev]

No one in my school gives a shit about politics so it is kind of hard to get them to listen.
So true. Most people don&#39;t care when i try to talk to them about Communism or Anarchism.

And your English is fine. I&#39;m guessing your bilingual? Which if ya are thats awesome, takes real skill for that.
Most people in Europe (at least younger people) learn 1-2 foreign languages at school. I have English and had French untill last year.

[Boriznov]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2006 08:56 am
Damn, sounds like a pretty based town, and be careful. I don&#39;t know that part of the world too much but if a town is that biased with a one sided political ideal then there can be some bad shit thrown at you for distrubing it. How about doing a little underground activity? Or even start up an internet blog or flier fiesta based on your town, expressing concerns and such over its choices. Instead of just attacking the system, attack the town&#39;s system, and see if you can attract the youth to get interested in the rebelious culture. Of course from there its only a matter of time till your explaining communism and lending out books (Which nobody EVER returns&#33;) I don&#39;t know though, thats a pretty exagerant idea, and if you create a solid underground thing exposing the town politics and its politicians then thats pretty serious stuff, so be careful if ya do it&#33; I&#39;ll try and think of a more solid way to help ya out, gotta study up on that part of the world first :ph34r:

And your English is fine. I&#39;m guessing your bilingual? Which if ya are thats awesome, takes real skill for that.


My school doesn&#39;t like to read so giving out books wouldn&#39;t be a good option. I don&#39;t have much money as it is so making alot of fliers would be hard to do. i mean like going to the local press, they wouldn&#39;t like to see alot of communist propaganda being printed. the youth, ah yes there are two kind of youths in my town; the i don&#39;t give a shit about politics kind and the wannabe faker anarchists.

there were krakers in my town (krakers = taking over a empty building) but they weren&#39;t interested in the greater goal (freedom) but more about there weed growing. they did give you food for two euro&#39;s but changing the community wasn&#39;t there idea.

i find there are too many wannabe&#39;s in my area :wacko: either it&#39;s to be different and &#39;dangerous&#39; or to gain popularity with the other fakers. i once aproached a dude with a Che t-shirt and i began to talk about socialism and other politics and he didn&#39;t know what i was talking about. some people even think Che was fighting AGAINST Castro. i think it&#39;s a shame that my generation doesn&#39;t give alot anymore about there position in society

[Chocobo]

My school doesn&#39;t like to read so giving out books wouldn&#39;t be a good option. I don&#39;t have much money as it is so making alot of fliers would be hard to do. i mean like going to the local press, they wouldn&#39;t like to see alot of communist propaganda being printed. the youth, ah yes there are two kind of youths in my town; the i don&#39;t give a shit about politics kind and the wannabe faker anarchists.

Damn, I can understand with the money thing. I&#39;m normally the same way but i&#39;m also kind of into thievery ya know? So i&#39;ve been pretty "secure" in my magazines and fliers financially, so to say. Might I recommend drilling a hole in a quarter, putting string through it, and going to a copy machine? :) I&#39;ve never tried it, and I have no idea if it works, but eh, worth a try&#33; But why do you have to go to a press? Are there any local stores or anything where you can ask to use their copy machine? Even if they don&#39;t agree with your message some small, local buisness isn&#39;t going to really be able to do anything to fight a leftist (I think).

And your youths are pretty much the exact resemblance of the New Jersey youth. They go to "hot topic", get themselves their all black and anarchy logo&#39;d shirts, wristbands, and caps, and then sulk around and pretend their life is shitty when they don&#39;t know fuck about anything. Hate those kids&#33;


i think it&#39;s a shame that my generation doesn&#39;t give alot anymore about there position in society
As do I


Here in Sweden, the schools are mostly left, and high school students are very often listening to Rage Against the Machine, Kent, and other semi-punk bands. They wear t-shirts with the USSR texts, Che Guevara&#39;s face, an organises parties. They are mostly lifestyle leftists who are consuming a leftist culture while actually being quite conservative.
Well....at least their into RATM&#33; :lol: But how are they being conservative?


During that time, I mostly burned condomes at the school yard, worshipped kaiser Vilhelm II, and wanted a conservative, puritanist society where pre-marriage sex would be harshly punished.
Haha, you sound like you were an adorable kid.


Most people in Europe (at least younger people) learn 1-2 foreign languages at school. I have English and had French untill last year.
Hmm, interesting. In the states your only required to take 2 years of any language (And depending on the teacher, you may not getting anything out of it). I took French but I sort of lost interest after the first year, and I barely made my way through the second year. J&#39;adore communism&#33; Yahhh&#33; And thats all my french right there haha. But I really actually wanna learn it again&#33; Bilingual is so neat/useful.

[Boriznov]

actually that&#39;s a good idea of going to a small shop, i will try it sometime.

but with time, in a few weeks i have vacation so that&#39;s when i will attempt these actions. i will think of more i can do, i only have one other commie friend so it isn&#39;t easy being this outnumbered.

thanks for the advice and tips comrade &#33;

[Death]

I think you should start out with anti-Bush/Blair/Howard posters around your school. Get noticed. Possibly make an arse of yourself. Get into trouble in front of everyone but stick by what you&#39;re saying. In other words make a scene.

[Sir_No_Sir]

e should start an underground newsletter thing, about monthly or so, called The Student Underground, or somethin like that, and set up groups in each school we go to.

[Dante666]

we should start an underground newsletter thing, about monthly or so, called The Student Underground, or somethin like that, and set up groups in each school we go to.

I agree and we should make a revleft database for flyers possible. Oh and as a side note a good way to draw attention to yourself is by drawing lots of things to communism or to the flaws of capitalism which is very easy actually well atleast if you devolope it as a skill. I find argueing with kids in my school horrible tireing though so idk if I would convert them that way. They always go into a loop of question so I give an answer to one thing then the give me a question to another and I answer it so on and so forth intill the get back to there original question and start over again. :wacko:

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2006 09:42 pm

we should start an underground newsletter thing, about monthly or so, called The Student Underground, or somethin like that, and set up groups in each school we go to.

I agree and we should make a revleft database for flyers possible. Oh and as a side note a good way to draw attention to yourself is by drawing lots of things to communism or to the flaws of capitalism which is very easy actually well atleast if you devolope it as a skill. I find argueing with kids in my school horrible tireing though so idk if I would convert them that way. They always go into a loop of question so I give an answer to one thing then the give me a question to another and I answer it so on and so forth intill the get back to there original question and start over again. :wacko:
lets create articles and shit for a january one, hopefully. i can start on it. if nothing else, we could just distribute them online to kids our age

[Dante666]

good idea I&#39;m in the middle of setting up a leaflitting campiegn in my school with a anarchist I discovered so idk how much I could do but I could deffenatly talk about some of the steps I&#39;m takeing and I"m getting really good at argueing with cappies as stubern as they are. I think its important that we give fellow teenage comrades going through highschool and middleschool and such a firm base for them to become active with experience from us and even people who have graduated highschool.

[Rawthentic]

Lets hear what you&#39;ve got. I let a friend borrow a book called Death of a Revolutionary, which goes in depth into Che Guevara&#39;s last mission in Bolivia, and the CIA involvement in his death. Lets all contribute

[( R )evolution]

I am still in the devolping for the communist club. I really am still gathering ideas for it. I assume we would meet either every week or every other week. Dicuss current events. Pass out flyers. Set up a booth right by the military recuirters and creating posters and flyers saying there lies. I still need to gather more ideas. Possible for some fundrasing to go onto feild trips. But I need to find some places in so-cal to go to lol. Possible a so-cal communist party or something to that effect. I really still need to gather everything togther

[Dante666]

just as an update for anyone who is interested I finally started a movement in my highschool or at least set up the bases for one. After a local leftists musician played at our high school I realized that there are more leftists we are just divided by grade. So I decided to create an e-mail account and design a poster and set up an online forum so all I would have to do is put up posters then I could handle it online so I wouldn&#39;t have to deal with the school club rules. Sorry for bumping this to the top btw.

[Resistencia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:34 am
just as an update for anyone who is interested I finally started a movement in my highschool or at least set up the bases for one. After a local leftists musician played at our high school I realized that there are more leftists we are just divided by grade. So I decided to create an e-mail account and design a poster and set up an online forum so all I would have to do is put up posters then I could handle it online so I wouldn&#39;t have to deal with the school club rules. Sorry for bumping this to the top btw.
Cool, at least you have musicians playing at school. That&#39;s probably the best way to meet other leftists.

I&#39;m in secondary school now and am facing the same problem: how do I meet other leftists in school? I often find people who agree with my views on affairs in world politics or Dutch politics, but those people aren&#39;t as "left" as I am.

Second problem: How do I express my leftism? I want to show it to people so I know who&#39;s leftist and who&#39;s not. At the moment I have:

- A sweatband I wear continuously, the sweatband has a circle-A on it
- I have buttons on my school bag, displaying Che (hasta la victoria siempre), no war, and Rage Against the Machine
- I take leftist view points in essays
- I often wear this (http://www.stichtingbom.org/shirts/illusion_of_democracy.htm) shirt
- I draw hammer and sickles on the school desks

Any help please

[Dante666]

Cool, at least you have musicians playing at school. That&#39;s probably the best way to meet other leftists.

I&#39;m in secondary school now and am facing the same problem: how do I meet other leftists in school? I often find people who agree with my views on affairs in world politics or Dutch politics, but those people aren&#39;t as "left" as I am.

Second problem: How do I express my leftism? I want to show it to people so I know who&#39;s leftist and who&#39;s not. At the moment I have:

- A sweatband I wear continuously, the sweatband has a circle-A on it
- I have buttons on my school bag, displaying Che (hasta la victoria siempre), no war, and Rage Against the Machine
- I take leftist view points in essays
- I often wear this shirt
- I draw hammer and sickles on the school desks

Any help please

Well thats pretty obvious enough but try wearing leftist coolers and maybe dress in old or warn cloths.. try looking like an outcast as much as u can if u can. and wear big things no one is going to see a button or a sweatband so dress in black with bits of red if u can. Oh and as far as trying to find other people start putting up leaflets around your school giving an e-mail address some leftists symbols and other stuff thats what I&#39;m trying but idk if its going to work.

[Revalation]

I find that there are a hell of a lot of angry people out there just waiting for a cause to come their way the thought of activism its self could attract people if they know they&#39;ll be causein a little agro kickin fuck out some1 etc. that can be used as a way to bring people into the cause god knows its a tatic that the right use regulary

[The Grey Blur]

Using the two above tactics (excluding the leaflets) you will attract fairweather socialists and aggressive nutcases.

You should organise around an issue in your school, or just argue against cappie propaganda in the classroom. Always find a comrade first&#33; If you attempt anything major by yourself you will soon become disheartened.

[Coggeh]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 11, 2007 10:03 pm
Using the two above tactics (excluding the leaflets) you will attract fairweather socialists and aggressive nutcases.

You should organise around an issue in your school, or just argue against cappie propaganda in the classroom. Always find a comrade first&#33; If you attempt anything major by yourself you will soon become disheartened.
Truer words cud never be spoken especially when it comes to my school ... very hard to get anything done .. spend 90% of my time trying to convince others in my class that socialism is the way foward but all i get in return is slanders ... which i must admit put in there position i wud do two lol .... but in fact it seems like nobody cares anymore :(

[Revalation]

Debate and leaflets have there place and so does being diplomatic but to be honest passing out leaflets is about as boring as passing out leaflets remember the enemy is aggresive and dos&#39;nt either understand or want to listen. You have to offer the excitement and let people know that your gonna get things done not just talk about it. Thats whats wrong with alot of lefties they talk a good game but don&#39;t do shit and who wants to be part of that and oh yea i&#39;m an aggresive socalist nut case like malcom said by any means

[Dante666]

Always find a comrade first&#33; If you attempt anything major by yourself you will soon become disheartened.

I agree with this find a fellow leftists before u do any action it helps a ton even if you don&#39;t talk to them a lot.


Thats whats wrong with alot of lefties they talk a good game but don&#39;t do shit and who wants to be part of that and oh yea i&#39;m an aggresive socalist nut case like malcom said by any means

Be passionate not aggressive. Don&#39;t randomly lob a Molotov cocktail at your school. If you do that you won&#39;t have any chances at making a movement. My suggestion is argue like hell the action will fallow when u have a group.

[An archist]

Hey, if you&#39;re in high school, you regularly have to do present works in front of the class right? Pick &#39;leftist&#39; subjects or just approach the subjects the way you would: critical and progressive.

[Dante666]

God damn fascists. The faculty for some reason decided my fryers which didn&#39;t condone violence or anything (they encouraged community and togetherness) should be taken down. They went ahead and did it and this morning they were all gone. And they think I will give up that easy. They just wasted paper. I will be back again to put stuff up only now I have to go ahead and put it in hard to reach places and maybe use adhesive spray. I despise the people that run my high school. There currently trying to scare the piss out of the student body by talking about internet safety self defense handing out student ids and preaching how apparently "Anonymousness encourages vandalism and crime"-our lovely principle. There destroying our community with out attempting to build one. And they think I&#39;m a threat to the safety and will being of the schools community. :angry:

p.s.
Sorry for the rant

[Bright Banana Beard]

However my school is safe and non-violent. We also don&#39;t have a gang but we unified and we did a walkout when we was pissed at immigration issue that all alien criminalized. I got some friends who claim themselves communist even when they don&#39;t know what that mean. However our town is getting more liberal because of young people coming in to this area. I recently saw a new student from Miami. But hey&#33; At least I go to safe school where we can express&#33;

[Comrade Castro]

I cant do anything in my school. Despite my parents humble wages, we live in a zone that overlaps with a rich peoples town, a stereotypical bourgeoisie paradise. Cops everywhere. At school too. Watching for anything out of order. At school, there is 1 leftist: me. 50% of students white and with money. Other 50% Latin American (especially Venezuelan and Cuban) oligarchs, who have threatened to kill any communist they ever see. All I can do is carve hammer and sickle wherever I can, and in textbooks.

[Comrade Castro]

I once wore a h&s on my backpack. After a day of bad looks I stopped for the real danger of it, both from administrators and students. All ignorant, arrogant cappie pigs. Still, I never deny being a communist and often hint at leftist views, but to be drowned in reactionary drivel. Basically the lion&#39;s den for a 14 year old Marxist with a last name like Castro. Ok thats my rant. At least it&#39;II be over soon. I&#39;m moving back to Venezuela&#33;

[Resistencia]

Originally posted by An Archist
Hey, if you&#39;re in high school, you regularly have to do present works in front of the class right? Pick &#39;leftist&#39; subjects or just approach the subjects the way you would: critical and progressive.

Well, I actually had this speech concerning the War in Iraq once, and I took a really leftist view point. No reaction from my class actually.
I also had to make two essays concerning "Postbus 51" (a government organ, setting up actions on how people should behave :wacko: ) and whether people with jobs should have priority in medical service.
I objected to both of them (I stated Postbus 51 was the beginning of a totalitarian state and that employed people should not have priority in medical service - I said "This means people with jobs should live and those without one are allowed to die&#33;"). I showed this to a class mate of mine and he said these works were "communist" :) .

I&#39;m thinking of hanging pamphlets on school bulletin boards (this is illegal actually) or handing them out to class mates, telling them to freely copy it ;)

[Ultra-Violence]

Im a senoir now in highschool and ill tell you my storie....yawn*

i became a commie in the 9th grade i was so excited i brought it up at every moment in all my classes and debated my teachers and won&#33; but sadly no one cared then i got kicked out for fighting and tranfered to another school i made friends with the punks(i was a street punk at the time) and met 2 anarchist so quickly they became my friends and i stuck to them they took me to my first protest and i learned alot and their my friends to this day later i met my girlfreind and turned her into a commie and this year i met some another commie and his father was in the fmln during the salvadorain civil war............so all i can say is that i got lucky bro honestly if no body is paying atention in school you should talk with kids from other schools... and the most unlikely people may be sympathetic to your cause for example all my teachers know im a radicaland i talk with them all the time and they actually help me and my freinds out when were in need its pretty cool&#33; stick with that anarchist girl she probably knows more people and from her you can probably meet more people good luck&#33;

[Dante666]

I&#39;m trying my hardest but we were put on oppisit ends of the class room in the only class I have with her and I know there are other radicals in my school we are just so seperated by the lack of socialisation between grades and course level. That and we have 3 different lunches so the only way I can get out to them is by eather confronting them or hanging stuff up both of which are made difficult by the enviroment I&#39;m in. I&#39;m keeping with it though.

[Question everything]

I got it worse than most of you guys ,I go to a catholic school, I do however believe in God, I&#39;m a communist who still believes in God (if there are any I ussually just say that I&#39;m leftist or socialist)... so there is practically a 0% percent chance of meeting some one in my school with strongly leftist views... so Dante at least you might have an easier time than me...

[rednomad]

start a club, make flyers pass them out hold meetings involve the students that ususally ends up beign the best way to meet other likeminded pople in my own experience i have learned that a simple flyer can make many people gather together, and with the anarchist girl confront her after school, ask her to help you find more like minded people, shell probably know some, and just keep expressing what you think, people will come.

[Bright Banana Beard]

start a club, make flyers pass them out hold meetings involve the students that ususally ends up beign the best way to meet other likeminded pople in my own experience i have learned that a simple flyer can make many people gather together, and with the anarchist girl confront her after school, ask her to help you find more like minded people, shell probably know some, and just keep expressing what you think, people will come.

How do you start a club? using a fake name? true name?

What did you put on the poster? communist/ anarchist room is at 194 during lunch?

Start explaining more, comrade&#33;

[welshred]

I have tried to find other comrades in school but to no avail. Nearly everyone knows I am a communist and I get the mickey taken out of me all the time. Anyone with similar views would have come to me by now im sure. Maybe if I look for them I would have a better chance of finding others?

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

The only real way to connect with other progressive-minded individuals at school, or any other place, is to be progressive yourself. Lots of classes (such as history or sociology) present opportunities to talk about social and political issues. Be bold and honest. At my school, there was an article in the school newspaper about "how bad illegal immigration is" and one kid in my class was actually saying that it was a good article&#33; And that was despite that the author had almost no writing skills, poor reasoning, easily refutable figures, and only cited the 1992 census in an article about present immigration issue/s. Situations like that are great for starting casual debates; you almost can&#39;t lose when your opponent is completely ignorant. Anyone with a bit of sense will see things the communist way. Only the jack offs like the Lou Dobbs-types who know that they&#39;re bigots will stay that way for long; a lot of people are just ignorant but will come around if they know better or if they&#39;re around other people who aren&#39;t so ignorant. The tough part is that most people aren&#39;t ignorant because they&#39;ve never learned, it&#39;s because they learned the wrong way. Making comrades is a lot more challenging than finding them, but it&#39;s just as important.

Personally, I think that a lot of people in high school in the U.S. have this immature attitude that they "aren&#39;t affected" enough by politics to care. It&#39;s a side-effect of this society run by cretins that we live in. That&#39;s why it&#39;s so hard to find comrades at a high school.

[welshred]

What really pissed me off today, was I found out how many people have right wing beliefs. Many support the BNP and one tory supporter said the BNP arent racist&#33; How the hell can I find comrades when there is so much right wing dickheads in my school. Many of these people I thought were ok.

[Democratic Socialist]

I have gotten many people to boycott Coca-Cola by simply refusing to drink it at social gatherings. This then allows me to talk about unions in Columbia (the leaders of whom were killed by Coke) which can eventually bring me to the topic of socialism. It doesn&#39;t always go that far but I spark up conversations everywhere I go.

If people see you&#39;re walking the walk, they&#39;re more inclined to find out why. That&#39;s true of me as a socialist and follower of Christ.

[Rawthentic]

And a follower of Christ?

[Democratic Socialist]

Yes. Following Christ&#39;s teachings is beyond important in our society full of Christian hypocrisy. His message has been terribly misrepresented. I don&#39;t claim to be perfect but His message isn&#39;t about perfection; it&#39;s about forgiveness.

[Rawthentic]

Do you forgive the bourgeoisie? Being a "follower of Christ" implies the rejection of the materialist conception, i.e., that the people make history, it&#39;s not written in pages.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I got it worse than most of you guys ,I go to a catholic school, I do however believe in God, I&#39;m a communist who still believes in God (if there are any I ussually just say that I&#39;m leftist or socialist)... so there is practically a 0% percent chance of meeting some one in my school with strongly leftist views... so Dante at least you might have an easier time than me...

Have you heard of Liberation Theology?

[Democratic Socialist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 04:16 am
Do you forgive the bourgeoisie? Being a "follower of Christ" implies the rejection of the materialist conception, i.e., that the people make history, it&#39;s not written in pages.
Absolutely. I forgive the bourgeois for their grievances against me just as I would hope other followers of Christ would forgive communists such as Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, and Fidel Castro for what they did against them. It doesn&#39;t make it right. I don&#39;t excuse it.

Christ does tell us to turn the other cheek because His kingdom is not of this world. However, Christ doesn&#39;t condone exploitation either (see Ecclesiastes, Matthew, Luke, and Acts for further details). Perhaps you are unaware but the Jews freedom from the Egyptians was a revolution in and of itself. Although this story is greatly misconstrued by skeptics, usually leftists, I&#39;m happy to answer any questions about it.

Christ is for the working class, since it is the class being exploited. However, he also calls us to forgive those who harm us.

[Question everything]

Christ is for the working class, since it is the class being exploited. However, he also calls us to forgive those who harm us.

Amen.


Do you forgive the bourgeoisie? Being a "follower of Christ" implies the rejection of the materialist conception, i.e., that the people make history, it&#39;s not written in pages.

I don&#39;t hate them, I hate they&#39;re society and Ideals, and what they have done (most inadvertintly) to the World..

I don&#39;t hate them, I just want to stop them.

[Rawthentic]

Absolutely. I forgive the bourgeois for their grievances against me just as I would hope other followers of Christ would forgive communists such as Mao, Ho Chi Mihn, and Fidel Castro for what they did against them. It doesn&#39;t make it right. I don&#39;t excuse it.

Christ does tell us to turn the other cheek because His kingdom is not of this world. However, Christ doesn&#39;t condone exploitation either (see Ecclesiastes, Matthew, Luke, and Acts for further details). Perhaps you are unaware but the Jews freedom from the Egyptians was a revolution in and of itself. Although this story is greatly misconstrued by skeptics, usually leftists, I&#39;m happy to answer any questions about it.

Christ is for the working class, since it is the class being exploited. However, he also calls us to forgive those who harm us.

I dont forgive either party. The bourgeois have done the most damage in the world. The "communists" of the 20th century did commit atrocities, but nothing close to what the capitalists have done. I hate them, fuck them the exploiters. I&#39;ll forgive them after the revolution if they decide to assimilate. You can keep going around preaching your Christ message, but understand that this does not make you a revolutionary, just a mere idealist who looks to the sky for salvation instead of the people. Good luck

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Take this religious nonsense to the religion subforum. Don&#39;t preach in the rest of the board.

[Rawthentic]

Now that we&#39;re over religion stuff, back to the subject. Any more ideas for high school?

[Bright Banana Beard]

Can someone create a guide of how to get comrade in high school? make ur own post.

[Rawthentic]

Well, I&#39;ve tried and tried to convince people my age, to no avail. I&#39;m not sure, maybe other comrades have ideas?

[welshred]

Yea I would like to know as well.

[which doctor]

I think many of you are trying way too hard.

[phoenixoftime]

As was said earlier, finding a comrade, even just one, is often all you need. If it&#39;s just you trying to convince 1 000 people who have already convinced themselves otherwise, then its unlikely to happen.

Here&#39;s a few hints from my time of school activism.

I&#39;m a lone comrade, help&#33;

A good place to find likeminded people is a local branch of a left wing political party, union or activist group. These organizations will often have youth members and even specific youth wings, and if not they could have links to separate but similar such organizations. Getting involved with these organizations will also boost your personal experience and knowledge - rallies, study groups and forums will develop your skills while allowing you to meet even more comrades.

If there isn&#39;t any activity in your area, then try and establish a contact with the closest active group you can find. At least they&#39;ll be able to provide you with advice, support and often study guides on Communist theory.

Music is certainly a good medium for politics, but unless you&#39;re already a musician or are into the music scene then I wouldn&#39;t focus your comrade-hunt here. There&#39;s just too many musicians and fans and you&#39;ll be hunting forever. Just make it part of your social networking - go to gigs as you can and you never know who you might meet. I guess the punk and alterna rock scenes are the best, if you wanted to single any out.

Time to get active

It&#39;s all very well debating dialetical materialism and assessing the economy, but you&#39;re never going to change the world sitting down. Once you&#39;ve got a few comrades to support you, it&#39;s time to take some action.

Start a group within your school - The first place to start is to form some sort of group. It could be a political pressure group, a study group, or even a full political party. But whatever it is, you need regular meetings and a well planned organizational structure. Firstly, decide what you intend to achieve and write a clear mission statement. Then hold an initial meeting - book a classroom, put up flyers, advertise the meeting in local newspapers and school notices, and write a seminar and prepare other recruiting material to introduce the group to potential members.

Make politics relevant - Unfortunately, a lot of people couldn&#39;t care a less about politics, and young people today are no exception. Launching straight into ideological discussions with people will generally turn them off. However, there are plenty of problems which people do care about and are relevant to our class struggle. Listen to the needs and wants of your school populace and try and target your campaigning to issues which matter to them. This will get people passionate and interested to learn more about how they can change matters around them.

Surveys and open forums are good ways to learn about what issues people aren&#39;t happy with, while take note of what people are talking about in everyday conversation.

Once you have an idea of what you would like to achieve, put together a programme for your group. If you are forming a full party, this would be a comprehensive overview of party policy. If you are intending to focus your efforts on a select range of issues, then it might discuss the exact way the group intends to operate and exert pressure. For a study group, it could be deciding on what texts and issues to look at over the year.

Direct action - There are lots of ways you can operate within a school context, which aren&#39;t really different to any other political group. Many schools have student representation in their governance, so you could field candidates in such elections. Organize protests, walkouts and boycotts. If the school decide to try and stop your operations, continue with underground militancy. Organize meetings outside of school and keep contact via internet and cellphone. Support from external organizations can help too.

Fun events like concerts and social activities can be good promotional tools, particularly for recruitment and widening the scope of your audience.

Getting the most from your action

Organization is everything&#33; - Once your membership starts growing and the scope of your operations gets bigger, it becomes increasingly important that you have a clear organizational structure. You need to appoint people to be responsible for certain areas such as recruiting & PR, finances etc., and put in place a chain of command. This is usually done democratically. This will ensure that things get done and that the group can remain focussed on the task at hand.

Make sure your meetings stay structured, too. The amount of board meetings I&#39;ve attended where nothing is achieved, it is frustrating&#33; Setting an agenda and enforcing with the chain of command is the best way to stay on task.

Find a school computer with free / cheap printing. This cuts down on costs, and trust me, once you&#39;re organizing citywide school strikes, you use a lot of paper.

Marketing is your friend&#33; - I always love sticking to the Capitalists, and nothing is better than using the enemy&#39;s own poison against them. There is a lot which can be learnt from corporate marketing, and the same rules apply to propaganda. You&#39;ll have a lot more success if you have a slick, well planned marketing campaign behind you. Get someone on board early who is good at art / journalism, and get them to help design posters & promotional material.

The most important thing when designing a promotion is to target your audience. Know exactly who you are trying to sell your message to and then find ways to make your advertising appeal to them.

There are quite a few resources on the internet explaining this further - I work in this area for a number of non-profits so if anyone wants advice just ask me.

Take advantage of the media - When you are planning big events like major protest actions, the media can help you gain coverage you&#39;d never dreamed possible. Appoint someone to look after group PR. Try and get opinion pieces into local publications. For big events, send out press releases to media outlets.

Don&#39;t underestimate the power of new media either - everyone has a cellphone these days while most young people have a Bebo or Myspace account. Once you have a following, this is a good way to get the word out on happenings and recruit new members.

Hone your public speaking - This is essential in politics. Some people are natural at it, but everyone can get better through study and practice. Another useful skill is that of classroom instruction.

Again a topic to broad to cover here, but there&#39;s lots on the net. I have some paper resources which I can transcribe if people want to learn how to put together seminar presentations / classroom lessons.

Link up with other youth movements

When you&#39;re up and running, it&#39;s a good idea to keep in touch with other youth organizations of the same political orientation. You can share ideas and resources and support each other with solidarity actions.


Well, there&#39;s my little guide. Comments and additional advice please :)

[Question everything]

You can keep going around preaching your Christ message, but understand that this does not make you a revolutionary, just a mere idealist who looks to the sky for salvation instead of the people. Good luck

I&#39;m not afraid to fight, I just hate fighting so does everybody, but If revolution comes I will stand and fight... I&#39;ll stop the bourgeois, but I won&#39;t massacre them...


I&#39;ll forgive them after the revolution if they decide to assimilate.

I&#39;m saying the same thing, just slightly differently, you forgive someone when they have stopped doing damage... so I&#39;ll forgive them when they ask for forgiveness



I dont forgive either party. The bourgeois have done the most damage in the world. The "communists" of the 20th century did commit atrocities, but nothing close to what the capitalists have done.

I know the capitalists are 1000 times worse then even the worse communist dictator... if they come around to our point of view and apoligize for there flaws, then maybe I&#39;ll say socialism is not perfect... heres a good summary I found on the site somewhere, thx to whoever posted it(attached image)...

[RedLenin]

Ok, I have just recently gotten active in my high school. It is always hard starting out. The best advice I can give people is to NOT organize around political issues, at least not initially. If you can find a comrade with similar views, that is great. If you can&#39;t then you need another way to get active. Here is what I have done.

The best idea is to organize around issues that students actually care about. Right now me and my friend are taking on a cell phone policy at the school. I find that you can get a lot of support if you organize around issues that effect students directly. It is especially good if you can get students involved in direct action. We are going to be petitioning to change it and we have already published an article critical of the policy in the school paper. If there is no one in the school that really agree with you, direct action can serve as a school of radicalism. Get students involved and make changes&#33;

This method has already been successful for us. We first delt with the military recruiters. We did not directly confront them, instead we focused our attention on Opt-Out forms. We wrote an article about this issue in the paper and we printed a cut-out form in the paper. After we did this the administration was initially really pissed off. But now they have officially accepted the Opt-Out form as school policy. They have also promised to make Opt-Out information known to students and they have also promised to help make this a school policy for the entire district&#33; We accomplished all of this with only two people.

The next step for us will be to establish a direct action group, the Direct Action Tendency, which will directly take on issues that students care about. I think that these tactics really do educate students about getting active and making changes, and this is the first step toward opening them up to radical theory. I would recommend starting an action group and then finding one or two comrades and starting up a communist group, which can serve as a sub-group. That way you can have a communist presence among activist students. That is the best way I can think of to both find comrades and to get active in your school.

[phoenixoftime]

In reply to RedLenin:
Impressive achievements indeed. With the Direct Action Tendency, how do you intend to operate, and what sort of organizational structure do you think you might use?

[The Anarchist Prince]

I WISH I could find someone in my school with similar views. Sadly, they&#39;re either exceedingly simple minded Conservatives (Because Mommy and Daddy are&#33;) or Democrats, for the sole reason as NOT to be a republican. Sad thing is, about 5 kids in my High School know who Mao, Lenin, Trotsky, or Che are. Over half the republicans don&#39;t even know who was president before Bush, or why we&#39;re in Iraq, yet call others "stupid democrats". It&#39;s hopeless. :(

[phoenixoftime]

It&#39;s *never* hopeless, man. I mean, are those five people even remotely left wing? Are there social democrats that you are at least able to work with to achieve something? Even if you can find someone outside of school but local to lend a bit of support. Or, at worst, debate with the opposition intelligently. Just don&#39;t give up, comrade&#33;

[Janus]

Yea I would like to know as well.
For starters, perhaps start a political discussion group and maybe work from their if you can&#39;t find any actual communists.

[RedLenin]

how do you intend to operate
My idea is to take a few steps. First, find an issue that students actually care about. Next, write an article about it for the school paper. This isn&#39;t a problem since my friend is the opinion editor. Then we either petition or do some other kind of action to make our concern known. If that fails, then we employ other actions.


what sort of organizational structure do you think you might use?
Well, we would start off small. So consensus would be used initially. Then we would use something where all members have a voice and a vote. Yet all decisions will be binding on the minority. Basically democratic centralism.

[The Anarchist Prince]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 08:59 am
It&#39;s *never* hopeless, man. I mean, are those five people even remotely left wing? Are there social democrats that you are at least able to work with to achieve something? Even if you can find someone outside of school but local to lend a bit of support. Or, at worst, debate with the opposition intelligently. Just don&#39;t give up, comrade&#33;
Oh believe me, I debate. Constantly. People get pissed at me because they can never win. Anyway, I talked to a couple of my friends today, and they said they&#39;d be interested in going against Nazi groups, so it&#39;s a step in the right direction.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Here&#39;s my history of speeches and such with an "alternative", or just leftist, viewpoint:
1.)2000 Elections-this elicited a great response from the class last year, and this total prep came up to me and was like,"thats fucked up.."
Nothing ever came of it.
2.)The Electoral College-my god this was boring,hard to write,but I did. I think 20+kids had to do the same topic,we all forgot to pick one by that day
3.)AIDs conspiracy theories. I went trhough a whole speech saying they are viable and stuff, and it was definitely sobering. pure silence once i finished

my teacher was a total liberal last year, but thats cool, i was too. not anymore, but i still got As and people know what I stand for now.


can we get a youth forum or topic pinned?

[foreverfaded]

Dear Balthier,

this is not a role-playing game
no offence meant to you comrade, but thats a bit extreme for high school.

i know we need to be radical but, i doubt, with no proof of course, that you ran around the school with a scarf over your head posting radical left flyers supporting your underground movement.

Nor do i believe that you and your leftist comrades at your school paraded as sheeps and shepherds in the bus loading zone.

I know that this sounds very negative, but it is just hard to believe a junior in high school is doing all this. I seriously mean no offence to you when i say all this.

Also, do you listen to/watch (videos) Rise Against...mainly the song and video, "Give It All"? :D

[The Anarchist Prince]

Well, I talked to my cousin, who&#39;s pretty open to most political views. I explained anarcho-communism to him, and he said it sounded great. +1. :)

[Question everything]

I&#39;m convincing some of my friends to :) keep it up guys :D

[Dante666]

I found an easy way to get liberals on board. For people who smoke marijuana in places where its illegal tell them that one of the main reasons its illegal is because there is no place on the market for it because no corporation wants to market a product which can be homegrown so easily and is already pretty easily available. Also tell them that the corporations control the lobbyist&#39;s so there are virtually no lobbyist&#39;s lobbying for marijuana. This will get them pissed off subversively at capitalism. Basically when most high school students here the word communism and capitalism they feel separated and will probably just say something along the lines of "I hate politics" so what I would do is be as simple and as subversive as possible. I have been kinda getting some of my liberal friends to lean more to the left and I even found a sympathizer who I got to admit his leftist views. Many high schools have poor social structures which often times isolates students so don&#39;t always assume your alone.

[Sir_No_Sir]

theres this chick i know who&#39;s conservative like fuck...
well, my friend and i were harping socialism, and i pulled her aside, and i explained workers control of the means of productions, and she was like"hey...that makes ALOT of sense" lol

[foreverfaded]

Wow

she is probably conservative by parental guidance
either that or she hangs out wtih conservatives

but that is cool

We held political elections in my poli/sci class last semester. I was originally not the person running for president of the class. But the person who was did not attend the day of the debate. So i stepped in for him. We ran as the green communist party, and i was running for president. My teacher is extremely nationalistic and she was very pissed off at us for doing that.

Long story short, there were eight of us running. Everyone, including canditates, voted for 3 of their top choices. Well, we came atop with the most votes in the first running. Then the top two (The second place canditate and I) debated again. Well, we only voted for one person this time. The other canditate won, but he was democratic socialist. So...it oculd of been worse. But the teacher was worried to death because shes all about the Republican Party. Anyways, there was a lot of debate about who actually won and that the teacher miscounted (she through the votes away right after counting). : )

Well, there is my story of spreading facts about communism. There are a lot of sympathizers that i know of now. Way more than i would of ever thought of.

Moral of story, take poli/sci if you can. OR, an economics class.

[Chocobo]

Dear Balthier,

this is not a role-playing game
no offence meant to you comrade, but thats a bit extreme for high school.

i know we need to be radical but, i doubt, with no proof of course, that you ran around the school with a scarf over your head posting radical left flyers supporting your underground movement.

Nor do i believe that you and your leftist comrades at your school paraded as sheeps and shepherds in the bus loading zone.

I know that this sounds very negative, but it is just hard to believe a junior in high school is doing all this. I seriously mean no offence to you when i say all this.

Also, do you listen to/watch (videos) Rise Against...mainly the song and video, "Give It All"? biggrin.gif



Too negative, too doubtful. When im serious about something I do it. A lot of teenagers are very concerned about image, popularity, and social-acceptance. I, and I hope any other radical youth here, are beyond this. Whether you doubt me or not it doesn&#39;t matter, but I will be sure to continue posting all activism and such done in the future.

P.S. just recently we officially shut down "sweeps" which was a policy created by my school to "sweep" all students after the bell into the auditorium be screamed at by a bunch of different teachers, and then let out with write up. How did we shut it down? Right when they started screaming me and my friends stood up, said "this is bullshit, iom going down to Andersons (principal) office to request this to be removed. Surprisingly, about 20 or so kids joined me and my 5 friends and Anderson completly agreed with me when I explained how the sweeps were bullshit.

[stu_t]

thats great and really amirable that you did that but does it have a point to it?

[here for the revolution]

kiddo (dante666) u hav BIG balls, if no ones really come up yet id watch out cus there might be fascists about and if you get stuck in a fray it would suck (unless u play rugger?)

sorry to divert the attention but I go to an english school. i&#39;ve held communist views for a long time but have only really made a view. the problem is over the pond that we hav skool uniform, therefore advertising my leftism is very difficult and i know for a fact that if i tried to create a club id get kicked out, stabbed, killed etc.

i welcome any pointers&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Janus]

therefore advertising my leftism is very difficult
Perhaps rally some of your fellow students against the uniform issue or other unpopular school issue?


stabbed, killed etc.
Wow, your school is that conservative, huh.

[Question everything]

Wow, your school is that conservative, huh.

No probably just full of "Liberators protecting the world from the Red Menace"

[Rage Against Right]

Im in year 10 and have been going to my skool, going on four years so im pretty familiar with the teachers/students and ive found it impossible to make comrades in high skool, for many reasons.

- Half of the skool are apethetic and couldn&#39;t give a toss what goes on in the world (including teacher)
- On top of this the rest are straight down the line liberal/red necks/ capitalist and rasicst,

Ive lost hope in trying to voice my politcal opinion, because every time i try i get howled down by teachers and students, who either say im lying or disagree, the only hope i have is when i leave skool and move away i will find likeminded people. Any sugestions to survive in this environment, cause ive tryed heaps but my problem is i like to voice my opinion.

[Everyday Anarchy]

Any sugestions to survive in this environment, cause ive tryed heaps but my problem is i like to voice my opinion.Man don&#39;t worry about it all too much. Just live your life and encourage others to live theirs. Enjoy your childhood, once it&#39;s over there&#39;s no going back. Don&#39;t let any politics or any kinds of "duties to educate [convert] the masses" blind you.

Encouraging your friends (and enemies) to live their lives to the fullest is just about the most revolutionary thing you can do. Don&#39;t worry too much about shoving Marx or Lenin or even Goldman or Bakunin down their throats. Intellectualism is definitely a huge turnoff to anyone who actually loves life.

[here for the revolution]

Originally posted by Rage Against [email protected] 20, 2007 01:16 am
Im in year 10 and have been going to my skool, going on four years so im pretty familiar with the teachers/students and ive found it impossible to make comrades in high skool, for many reasons.

wow, thats me in a nutshell, and yes my skool is v fekked up.
u c the problem is they couldn&#39;t care less about politics and i just don&#39;t get why, they don&#39;t seem to understand that everything revolves around politics and that they can make a difference

[Question everything]

- Half of the skool are apethetic and couldn&#39;t give a toss what goes on in the world (including teacher)


that&#39;s about 90% of my school, nobody I know, knows anything about socialism, and know almost nothing about communism but still cringe when they hear it.

[Everyday Anarchy]

Originally posted by here for the [email protected] 20, 2007 12:00 pm
the problem is they couldn&#39;t care less about politics and i just don&#39;t get why, they don&#39;t seem to understand that everything revolves around politics and that they can make a difference
Are you sure that you aren&#39;t the one mistaken? If you take the statement The personal is the political to heart, then sure... everything revolves around politics. But honestly, who wants to spend their high school days discussing Marx or economic theory? If you want to radicalize the youth, you have to identify what they like and what interests them. Most youth [and sane humans] enjoy playing, having fun, et cetera. Encourage play in a revolutionary way. Have fun.


Perhaps you could organize a simple Capture the Flag game once a month and invite all the students to it. Politics can be completely left aside for now. Your number one goal should be encouraging people to have fun and build a community. Sure, you can pass out leftist leaflets at your CTF game. Maybe debate with others while awaiting a jail break.


Students sit for hours and hours through lectures at school. The last thing they want after that is to listening to you lecturing them about dead old guys with beards. They don&#39;t see any relevance between theory and their lives. Plus, people learn best when they&#39;re having fun.

[which doctor]

Here&#39;s a cool story about autonomous student action.

This took place at a high school I went to, but it was a few years before I got there but I remember about it in the newspaper and it even made it to MTV News.

The school board decided to ban a popular radio station from all the school buses because of some racy lyrics that were in some songs. People started to get real upset, especially at the local high school. A few days after the decision was made a whole bunch of students walked out to protest, several hundred students. The students proceeded over to a church parking lot across the street. They brought grills, hamburgers, frisbees, hot dogs, footballs, etc. They had a street party. The administration didn&#39;t give into any of their demands and all the students got a saturday detention. A few days later the students decided to all turn up their car stereos as loud as possible to that popular radio station so the kids on the buses could hear it.

Though the policy never changed, it&#39;s still a great example of autonomous action and organization, and fun too.

So, just organize around issues that effect students and they will be willing to cooperate and organize with you.

[Question everything]

I tell people about politics they ussually either get depressed or laugh... so I try but it&#39;s hard, especially when ppl don&#39;t know the defintion of Capitalism, Socialism or Genocide, and most have a very poor Idea of communism too... kinda sad accually