leave a message if you agree with what lenin did - leave a c

[Rebal16]

start talken.

[the SovieT]

this thread is completly useless...

i dont even know what you meant by that...





first of all Lenin did LOTS of things...

starting off the Bolshevik revolution and helping to build the first entirely socialist state in the world was one of them...

yet he also did revise Marx theorys in order to be aplyed to the russian realisty.. and created a whole new democratic system known as democratic centralism...
he is one of the big three when taking about Communism...

[Organic Revolution]

i think this is the worst thread i have ever seen

[Rebal16]

Well if you think this is a bad thread just dont speak its simple. Enyway he did wipe out zar and put children in ditches ,I guess its for a good cause. But the man did have a cold heart that is all i have to say.

[the SovieT]

HOLLY MOTHER OF ALL IGNORANCE!

FOR MARX´S SAKE EXPLAIN ME WHEN DID LENIN "PUT CHILDREN IN DITCHES"????

i presume you have absolutly NO IDEA of what you are talking about...

the Czar was killed by the bolsheviks... indeed he was...
he would end up dead either if Lenin gave the order or not... he had is head at steak by almost the entire population...

about the chidren in ditches..

i have absolutly NO IDEA of waht you are talking about..

are you refering to eventual infanticides comited during the civil war by some elements of the red army?
because if you do then one must clear that eventual crimes commited by the red side were individual crimes..
they were not ordered by superiors as happened ini the white army...

or maby you are following the ole stupid steriotipe "communsits eat litle children"?
because in that case fuck you kido you still have a lot to learn...


nevertheless Lenin was very scientific and perfectionist in his choices..
he choosed science over morals and that ended up with pretty good results for the civil war...



nevertheless this IS a stupid post and as such should be closed...

[Pete]

I support Lenin and Stalin and Castro and Che and Mao and Minh and the Sandinistas and the EZLN and the Palestinian liberation and the IRA and the human spirit.

[inessa1917]

well for me it seems this topicstarting opinion a bit primitive. in hungary the right-wing people would use things like "Lenin was an evil person" as an argument.

[Zombie]

very bizarre way of starting a thread.
As if agreeing with someone's ideology and actions, in that case Lenin, is simply a matter of saying yes or no, black or white.

You're not going to get healthy debate from questions like that, Rebal.

Furthermore, when you blatantly say 'start talking', would you care to at least give us some of your valuable insight, instead of just pissing everyone off?

[chamo]

GET THIS!!!.......

stealing bandwaith causes cancer.


Well, the topic seems to be very useless so I will try to make some good out of it. I admire Lenin for his achievements but I do not agree completley with his ideology, primarily his views on religion.

Some of his achievements could include, overthrowing the tsarist regime in Russia, being one of the first people to attempt putting Marx's ideas into movement, being the first person ever to create the first socialist state, the CCCP, and publishing his ideas on Marxist-Leninism.

In fact, a lot of the hardcore liberals here admire Lenin, the fact is he did do alot to be admired for, whether his ideology is to be agreed with or not.

In future don't create rubbish threads, with no base to start off on. You could at least have given your own thoughts at the beginning of the thread.

Enyway he did wipe out zar

Everybody wanted the tsars wiped out, mate.

and put children in ditches,

Really, he put them in ditches? Where's your evidence, you seem to be very affected by anti-Soviet propaganda.

I guess its for a good cause. But the man did have a cold heart that is all i have to say.

Good cause, so you agree with the Soviet Union as a country then.
A cold heart, a warm heart more like. He had to bring Russia off it's knees, you have no idea how many people were in poverty under Nicholas II and previous tsars, especially at the time of Rasputin. Maybe you would care to do some research on how he carried out for the people of Russia what was needed, and how he got them Peace, Land and Bread.

[YKTMX]

I love Lenin and hate this thread.

[Ian]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 3:46 am on May 30, 2003
I support Lenin and Stalin

I though you were an anarcho-communist.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh

[Ian]

More important a discussion is 'Do you support what Joao does to all the Iberian women?' ;) Just kidding with you mate

[Pete]

Hey you need to learn from somewhere. Anyways I have been disillusioned by anachro-communism because of the fact that I make my own ideologies and steal other peoples words for it. Under my definition I am still an anachro-communist, I just see the need for a transition period. Anyways Stalin did kick Hitler's ass around the block.

[the SovieT]

More important a discussion is 'Do you support what Joao does to all the Iberian women?' Just kidding with you mate
:) :D...

its more like: "do you support what all iberian women do to joao?"...

theyr always on my ass *****ing and *****ing and *****ing..

and they never show some "simpathy" for me (and for simpathy i mean making sex with me...)

[Guardia Bolivariano]

I love Lenin and suport women!

[Ian]

I support the Iberian women in their struggle against Joao and his sex drive

[Kez]

this is shit

[革命者]

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Quote: from CrazyPete on 4:23 pm on May 31, 2003
Hey you need to learn from somewhere. Anyways I have been disillusioned by anachro-communism because of the fact that I make my own ideologies and steal other peoples words for it. Under my definition I am still an anachro-communist, I just see the need for a transition period. Anyways Stalin did kick Hitler's ass around the block.
honoust question: did you learn from the socialistfront.org.

btw you can't support Lenin or Stalin, for that matter cause they're DEAD!!

(Edited by Scotty at 5:15 pm on June 2, 2003)

[ComradeJunichi]

Quote: from Scotty on 4:13 pm on June 2, 2003
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Quote: from CrazyPete on 4:23 pm on May 31, 2003
Hey you need to learn from somewhere. Anyways I have been disillusioned by anachro-communism because of the fact that I make my own ideologies and steal other peoples words for it. Under my definition I am still an anachro-communist, I just see the need for a transition period. Anyways Stalin did kick Hitler's ass around the block.
honoust question: did you learn from the socialistfront.org.

btw you can't support Lenin or Stalin, for that matter cause they're DEAD!!

(Edited by Scotty at 5:15 pm on June 2, 2003)


Scotty, you're immature accusation of anything "bad" on the ISF is getting out of hand. Grow the fuck up.

Pete has studied a lot, especially since the first time I talked to him. I know, because...well, hehe...Pete, remember you were joking around saying how you wish you knew as much as some members on the board and you mentioned my name? *Lifts head in pride* Well, you're way beyond that point :) Congratulations, comrade! I'm really happy that you got into the college...but enough of my private chat with Pete.

Scotty, grow up. People do not become "authoritarians" and supporters of Lenin and Stalin because they join the ISF. It's because they study and read and create their own thought. And once again, not everyone is "authoritarian" on the ISF.

Hey, I have an idea. How about you bring your ultra-liberalism and anti-ISF attitude to the ISF Forums. Create a topic in the Death Match, I'd gladly take you on. Stop your immature, indirect-bickering and take it to the front.

@Joao: LOL! I knew you were going to do that when you read that post. Did you know Lenin ate peasant children for breakfast, too?

As for the main topic:

I agree with what Lenin did in Russia, need any of us (well, most of us) say more?

[YKTMX]

You can't support both Lenin and Stalin. Pick one, and stick to it. This is to no one in particular by the way.

[Pete]

You are wrong X. There are never two answers to any question. Always atleast 3. The human mind is incapable of dealing with only two answers.

I support them both.

[Pete]

Quote: from Scotty on 11:13 am on June 2, 2003
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Quote: from CrazyPete on 4:23 pm on May 31, 2003
Hey you need to learn from somewhere. Anyways I have been disillusioned by anachro-communism because of the fact that I make my own ideologies and steal other peoples words for it. Under my definition I am still an anachro-communist, I just see the need for a transition period. Anyways Stalin did kick Hitler's ass around the block.
honoust question: did you learn from the socialistfront.org.

btw you can't support Lenin or Stalin, for that matter cause they're DEAD!!

(Edited by Scotty at 5:15 pm on June 2, 2003)


I can support their ideals and actions and philosophy on what socialism could be and their model of putting it into action. I learn, as Joon has said, from many many places. I have taken about 9 history courses in 3 years. I have my fill of formal learning, and I also read a lot allowing my mind to expand it self instead of listening to the television, which gives me headaches and I hate.

[YKTMX]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 1:24 am on June 3, 2003
You are wrong X. There are never two answers to any question. Always atleast 3. The human mind is incapable of dealing with only two answers.

I support them both.


Sure, you can support bits and pieces of what both did, but in the end you have to pick who you choose to defend. As there ideologies, though similair in many ways, were vastly diffirent in lots of important ways.

[Pete]

If you have a choice between one or the other, the human mind will always consider a third possiblity (which in this case is both). Anyone who supports anyone who came before them completely is an idiot and deserves any suffering that they get dealt. I support a mosaic of many many ideals. Most of them I have had before I read them.

[Kapitan Andrey]

COOL THREAD!!!

Those, who support stalin and lenin are sucks!!!

[Ian]

I support some things about Stalin (not much), and many things Lenin did. Of the things that Stalinists do not deny I mostly object to the strategy of Stalin's times, moreover, the 'Third Period' tactics which split the working class, as Lenin said;


"We are waging a struggle against the "labour aristocracy" in the name of the masses of the workers and in order to win them over to our side; we are waging the struggle against the opportunist and social-chauvinist leaders in order to win the working class over to our side. It would be absurd to forget this most elementary and most self-evident truth. Yet it is this very absurdity that the German "Left" Communists perpetrate when, because of the reactionary and counter-revolutionary character of the trade union top leadership, they jump to the conclusion that ... we must withdraw from the trade unions, refuse to work in them, and create new and artificial forms of labour organisation! This is so unpardonable a blunder that it is tantamount to the greatest service Communists could render the bourgeoisie."-Source 'Left wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder' Chapter 6


Also

"By directing socialism towards a fusion with the working-class movement, Karl Marx and Frederick Engels did their greatest service: they created a revolutionary theory that explained the necessity for this fusion and gave socialists the task of organising the class struggle of the proletariat"- Source 'A Retrograde Trend in Russian Social-Democracy', 1899, in Lenin's Collected Works, Vol. 4, pp. 259-260.


Stalinists cannot deny that the Third Period took place, this would be stupid to do as it is such a well known fact! But I can see them trying to defend the tragicomic results of the supposed "last period of capitalism".


[size=4]Read about the Ultra-leftist Third-period (http://www.marxists.org/glossary/events/t/h.htm#third-period)

[YKTMX]

Stalinists cannot deny that the Third Period took place, this would be stupid to do as it is such a well known fact!



You'd be suprised.

[RedComrade]

Lenin didnt overthrow the tsar, Lenin overthrew Kerensky in the October Revolution. The tsar was overthrown in the Febuary Revolution.