Why is Guantanamo (sp?) Bay still in Cuba?

[Concept]

y do the Cubans allow the US to operate Guantanamo with the embargo and such the US has on them??
especially after all the bullshit they put the prisoners thru

i'd kick them the hell outta my country

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

the land was 'loaned' to America, quite some time back... and America have just never given it back

The main thing about not 'kicking them the hell outta the country' is that if Cuba took any forceful action to remove American operatives from the area the consequences on Cuba would be dire...

Say there's a sleeping dog (not yours) in your yard, it'd be like poking it in the eye with a stick until it wakes up...

[Concept]

but when they loaned it didn't they sign some sort of agreement??
if so there would prob be a date on it
and if it is past expiry its old and moldy...gotta take out the trash

[Sadena Meti]

The land was leased under a contract with the previous government, and the US has just ignored the fact that it is invalid. It's there because the US refuses to leave, pertends that it is allowed to be there, and has the military might to do as it pleases.

The ICJ has ruled that the contract is void, but the US doesn't abide by the ICJ.


I thought up a solution a few months ago. Cuba should put an embargo on the base.

Under the pretext of stopping people being sent there to be tortured, Cuba could publically state that it insists on inspecting all planes and boats crossing it's waters / airspace to ensure there are no detainees on them.

The US would refuse of course. So Cuba makes token gestures initially, sending planes and boats to intercept all inbound traffic to the base, but not actually stopping them.

Then, after a few months, stop them. Force them to divert and be searched.

The US will object of course, scream and cry, but since Cuba is just doing it's duty to protect human rights, and is doing it legally (it is not invading the base, but enforcing the airspace around it), world opinion would be with Cuba.

Then as the US continues to resist, Cuba will reluctantly announce that if the US refuses to let inbound traffic to be diverted and inspected, Cuba has no choice but to completely blocade the base.

Starve them out.




I think I should write Fidel.... this is a huge missed opportunity. Because most countries don't care much about the base, but are angry about Camp X-Ray. This could be the best shot Cuba has of closing it down for good.

[Whitten]

LoL a Cuban Embargo and Blockade on the USA. The irony alone would make it worth while.

[Zero]

rev, the problem with that is that from Guantanimo Bay, at least we have a target. If the United States moves its detainees somewhere else in the world, you can bet that it will stay a secret longer than Guantanimo did.

[Red October]

is the US allowed to do anything they want with the land? hypothetically, could they start a massive military build up in guantanamo bay?

[loveme4whoiam]

Well since technically they arent allowed to be there in the first place, it doesnt matter to them what they do there. They could start a military build-up there (if they had the manpower)/ But that is also assuming the CUbans would allow them to. The whole issue is very tricky.

An excellent idea though rev - I assume that the Cubans haven't undertaken this route because they don't want to overtly piss the US off. Although frankly I dont see what they have to lose.

[MiniOswald]

Technically its not just a prison, its a naval base, and as America see's its lease as valid, im sure that they believe they could amass troops in there if they wanted. Perhaps if there were some sort of crisis in Cuba, Castros govt. collapsed and the country was rapidly thrown into chaos, if the Americans were to make a move, yknow one of those ones where they deploy troops to 'control the situation'? well its likely it could come from Guantanamo, although given the proximity of Cuba to the US its most likely air drops would be the main entry.

The lease first cropped up sometime after the spanish american war and the was renued in the 30s or something, I cant remember if in the original terms it was void after time, or it might have been mutual agreement, I cant remember.

Anyway the lease should be made void as it was signed under a previous govt. and the new one really didnt want any americans there. The Cubans wont touch it though because it gives America an excuse to directly use US military force to respond to the aggression. It wouldnt be like the bay of pigs where a bunch of exiles without support would be going in, itd be proper US forces.

If that were to happen im sure they would be able to justify it via the media or something.

Its unlikely to happen though, most likely the cubans will continue to leave it as it is, they dont want to give the Americans the excuse theyve been waiting for since the late 50s.

[phoenixoftime]

I don't know the exact terms of the agreement but I believe it states that both countries must agree before the lease can be terminated.

Rev-stoic: I like your idea, I think it could work. It might cause more problems than it is worth though, which could be why they don't go down such a route. It would certainly end any hope of the US economic blockade being removed.

[Red October]

they may not have done it because of castro's poor health. hopefully they'll do it once things are clearer about the future of cuba. does the cuban military have the ability to resist the US?

[LSD]

Why is Guantanamo (sp?) Bay still in Cuba?

Please learn to use the search function (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?act=Search&f=36). This question has been asked many times and it's not like the answer has changed.

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[Concept]

sorry dood....i'm sure we all get lazy sometime :)

too bad all the countries in the world displeased with the US couldn't blockade them
fucking bully....i just can't stand the fact how they go about doing whatever it is they want in the name of "fighting terrorism" etc etc

u think they'd clue in after awhile y so many ppl the world over hate them
maybe they r trying to become like Norsefire from V For Vendetta

Cuba should gather all their allies and tell the US to get off their soil or else..muhauhauhauha
(maybe Cuba is still hiding a nuke or 2 :)

[Janus]

does the cuban military have the ability to resist the US?
Yes, especially if popular militias are called up. It's not like Cuba is lacking the manpower or anything

[Psy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 02:54 pm
sorry dood....i'm sure we all get lazy sometime :)

too bad all the countries in the world displeased with the US couldn't blockade them
fucking bully....i just can't stand the fact how they go about doing whatever it is they want in the name of "fighting terrorism" etc etc

u think they'd clue in after awhile y so many ppl the world over hate them
maybe they r trying to become like Norsefire from V For Vendetta

Cuba should gather all their allies and tell the US to get off their soil or else..muhauhauhauha
(maybe Cuba is still hiding a nuke or 2 :)
I do think during the Cuban missile crisis the USSR was stupid to trade for missiles in Turkey and should have traded Guantanamo for the missiles in Cuba but USSR was thinking about its interests and not that of Cuba.

[Exovedate]

I do think during the Cuban missile crisis the USSR was stupid to trade for missiles in Turkey and should have traded Guantanamo for the missiles in Cuba but USSR was thinking about its interests and not that of Cuba.
Of course the USSR was thinking of its own interests. If it comes down to them helping out a newly formed socialist nation that may not entirely share their interests (remember Cuba's stance in the Sino-Soviet dispute) or getting rid of some pesky nukes aimed up their ass, what did you think they were going to choose?

[cb9's_unity]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 02:54 pm
Cuba should gather all their allies and tell the US to get off their soil or else..muhauhauhauha
(maybe Cuba is still hiding a nuke or 2 :)
nah nukes kill a lot of innocent people. Castro cares far to much about workers to do anything like that. I think cuba should focus more on trying to deal with the embargo.