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Red October
4th December 2006, 20:54
this is what some dude on facebook said about socialism:


Fascism does have an end goal, it's a utopian branch of Socialism.

Before everyone starts jumping on me, let's break things down. What is Socialism? Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to social control. In other words, society controls wealth and property.

Communism is a major branch of Socialism that believes in a universal Socialist state, in other words, International Socialism. Everyone here is familiar with that.

Fascism is a branch of Socialism that grew out of former members of Socialist movements (Mussolini was a former Syndicalist) that disagreed with the Bolshevik concept of International Socialism, and the concept of Russian Exceptionalism, in which their society didn't need to transistion from Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism, and could directly go to Communism because it was superior. Fascism is National Socialism (which is Nazi abbreviated.), in which concerns only with the welfare of their own state. Both were violent opponents of each other, as they both saw themselves as rivals of which needed to fight to secure who would replace the Capitalist system which was flawed. Both were atheistic, and anti-capitalist, and ended up ruling in authoritarian regimes in reality.

One could be considered a Nazi and a Communist, as both were Anti-Capitalist movements that progressed to Socialism, but it isn't logical.

Whitten
4th December 2006, 21:36
Originally posted by dumbass
Communism is a major branch of Socialism that believes in a universal Socialist state

stopped reading there, his logic is already flawed.

bcbm
4th December 2006, 21:39
Bust his chops.

Free Left
4th December 2006, 21:49
Why are there so many people who make dumbass statements about Socialism without any real thought or knowledge of the subject!!!!

Tekun
5th December 2006, 04:30
Originally posted by Free [email protected] 04, 2006 09:49 pm
Why are there so many people who make dumbass statements about Socialism without any real thought or knowledge of the subject!!!!
Why?
Kuz they've been either spoonfed anti-communist propaganda aka your basic high school "history"
Or
Because they despise communism and will spit nothing but lies in order to make it seem like the worst thing on earth

Cheung Mo
6th December 2006, 21:47
Originally posted by Free [email protected] 04, 2006 09:49 pm
Why are there so many people who make dumbass statements about Socialism without any real thought or knowledge of the subject!!!!
The average Canadian thinks of Jean Chretien or Bob Rae when they hear the word "leftist"...Worse, the average American thinks of Al Gore and the Clintons and that the UN wants to build a socialist new world order...And do you have any idea how many Italians think that Roman Prodi is some sort of Eurocommunist bogeyman? Do you think that sort of environemnt is conducive towards a popular understanding of socialism (or of any ideology, for that matter)?

Janus
6th December 2006, 21:49
This is ridiculous. Please don't post random writings of lunatics from social networking sites in this forum.

Ander
7th December 2006, 02:09
Yeah, Facebook is quite notorious for political ignorance.

I recently smashed a group that said Western Europe was socialist and wanted to keep America "strong, free, and capitalist." Basically the argument consisted of some dumbass jocks making stupid jocks about fucking my mother or other ridiculous things and one or two people who tried to defend themselves but failed miserably.

The funniest part was when, after I pointed out that the European nations all have free market economies, one of them said "Ok, fine, Europe is capitalist, but they have socialised medicine, public education, and high taxes. These are the pillars of socialism."

Idiots.

Cryotank Screams
7th December 2006, 03:24
Fascism's economic theory is corporativism, it believes in the preservance of the class system. the government, and state apparatus, mandated nationalism, social darwinism, and is thrid positionist, how that is anywhere close to being related to Socialism is beyond me.

They are like polar opposites.

Joby
7th December 2006, 06:16
They are polar opposites.

Socialism believes in creaing utopia by raising the conditions of the lower class.

Fascism believes in creating utopia by using the lower class as slaves, then killing them for being "inferior" beings

KC
7th December 2006, 06:40
Let's apply his logic elsewhere:

One time this black man killed someone. Therefore, all black people are murderers.

This one jew is a rich banker. All jews must be really good with money.

One time this homosexual fucked a kid. All homosexuals must be pedophiles.

:rolleyes:

It's not even worth discussing because there's nothing to discuss. I don't know why you posted this guy's crazy shit.