the left in russia

[Red October]

what is the state of the left in modern russia?

[Redmau5]

Well, I don't know how active other groups are, but I know we (the CWI) have been pretty active over the years in Russia and other former USSR states as well.

Link (http://www.socialistworld.net/index2.html?/area/cis.html).

[Leo]

There is a pretty decent communist organization in Russia, which emerged from a strike in Kirov, called International Communist Union.

http://ciu.narod.ru/eng/engindex.html

[Red October]

Originally posted by Leo [email protected] 04, 2006 03:20 pm
There is a pretty decent communist organization in Russia, which emerged from a strike in Kirov, called International Communist Union.

http://ciu.narod.ru/eng/engindex.html
my school computers specifically blocked that site on the access control list...is there something innapropriate on there? maybe my school is just cracking down on activism.

[Leo]

my school computers specifically blocked that site on the access control list...is there something innapropriate on there?

Over-usage of the word "communist", maybe?

[Zero]

From what I understand the various Naz-Bol movements have grown so large that most worker movements cant even hold rallies anymore.

[Forward Union]

The left in russia is for lack of a better word; fucked.

I met with a Russian activist a few weeks ago called Olana. She told us about a demonstration they had some time ago, for gay rights that managed to attract about 40 demonstrators or something (I forget exactly how many) and 300 nazi counter-demonstrators. The results were quite brutal.

The KKK still lynch people, and armed nazi gangs police parts of the streets. Killing or disabling immigrants and known "reds" regularly.

Demonstrations are rarely permitted, and permitted ones are normally traps.

The very few poorly-attended leftist gigs get attacked by nazis all the time, and Antifa do a good job of defending the venues, despite being heavily out numbered. Whereas blood and honour gigs are spectacular, draw large crouds and have heavy security.

Help is desperatly needed

http://www.antifa.ru/

[Red October]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 05, 2006 04:57 pm
The left in russia is for lack of a better word; fucked.

I met with a Russian activist a few weeks ago called Olana. She told us about a demonstration they had some time ago, for gay rights that managed to attract about 40 demonstrators or something (I forget exactly how many) and 300 nazi counter-demonstrators. The results were quite brutal.

The KKK still lynch people, and armed nazi gangs police parts of the streets. Killing or disabling immigrants and known "reds" regularly.

Demonstrations are rarely permitted, and permitted ones are normally traps.

The very few poorly-attended leftist gigs get attacked by nazis all the time, and Antifa do a good job of defending the venues, despite being heavily out numbered. Whereas blood and honour gigs are spectacular, draw large crouds and have heavy security.

Help is desperatly needed

http://www.antifa.ru/
i didnt know it was that bad. have they been able to make any progress since the collapse of the USSR?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 05, 2006 10:08 pm
i didnt know it was that bad. have they been able to make any progress since the collapse of the USSR?
Before the collapse of the USSR there were practically no leftist organisations. Although a grassroots leftists newspaper run by some students in a university in Moscow was formed a few years before the collapse, but the soviet union did a good job of preventing workers organisations from forming. There was almost literally no working class resistance to state-capitalism from the 1920s up until the 1980s. It was all oppressed out of existence.

So the fact that there is anything, could be seen as some form of progress. Both the Nazis and the State have crippled the newly formed Russian left.

The nazis murder so many people, the police don't even bother to investiagte all the cases. They can't. And to be frank many of them sympathise with the fascists. As do members of the state.

Things are quite gloomy.

The fascists have a propaganda wing that posts videos of their attacks, and newsreels of thir progress. If you can stomach it I strongly reccomend viewing these.

Russian Nationalist Clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZMdvxKmlpY)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dQAJm8-Ttw (this has scenes from a film in it, but a lot of it is from FORMAT18s russian propaganda videos)

[Dimentio]

That was RNE on the first video.

I do not know the status of the national bolsheviks right now, but it seems like they have split up into two factions. One big faction of tens of thousands [about 50.000] of mostly students who are quite leftist and two small factions composed of neonazis. And then we have a gray area in Limonov's big faction.

Does anarchists fights nazbols?

Nazbol propaganda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4EoHwpknBE)

Heard that in Russia, liberals, anarchists, greens and human rights activists are accounted to the right, while monarchists, nazis, fascists and stalinists are accounted to the left, as well as words like "nationalist", "purge" and "Stalin" having a positive connotation.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 12:43 pm
Does anarchists fights nazbols?

Yes


Heard that in Russia, liberals, anarchists, greens and human rights activists are accounted to the right while monarchists, nazis, fascists and stalinists are accounted to the left, as well as words like "nationalist", "purge" and "Stalin" having a positive connotation.

I've never heard that. Where did you hear that? all the Russian activists I know including Olana were anarchists who referred to themselves as "left wing activists" Antifa uses the red and black symbolism of all other communist-anarchist organisations, I can't understand how their principals could be mistaken for those of the right wing.

Equally I don't understand how you could mistake the racist nationalist policies of the nazis to be left wing.

Unless left means right and vice versa in direct russian translation in which case, who cares?

[Red October]

Originally posted by Love Underground+December 06, 2006 10:45 am--> (Love Underground @ December 06, 2006 10:45 am)
[email protected] 06, 2006 12:43 pm
Does anarchists fights nazbols?

Yes


Heard that in Russia, liberals, anarchists, greens and human rights activists are accounted to the right while monarchists, nazis, fascists and stalinists are accounted to the left, as well as words like "nationalist", "purge" and "Stalin" having a positive connotation.

I've never heard that. Where did you hear that? all the Russian activists I know including Olana were anarchists who referred to themselves as "left wing activists" Antifa uses the red and black symbolism of all other communist-anarchist organisations, I can't understand how their principals could be mistaken for those of the right wing.

Equally I don't understand how you could mistake the racist nationalist policies of the nazis to be left wing.

Unless left means right and vice versa in direct russian translation in which case, who cares? [/b]
given how messed up russia is, i wouldnt be surprised if there was this kind of political confusion.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 06, 2006 04:20 pm
given how messed up russia is, i wouldnt be surprised if there was this kind of political confusion.
The only confusion is semantic. Left would be the word they use to describe the right and right would be the word they use to describe the left.

There's no confusion. They would have just swapped the words round. And I personally don't think they have :blink:

[Red October]

how is the old communist party doing? or is it even around anymore?

[sanpal]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 06, 2006 04:55 pm

The only confusion is semantic. Left would be the word they use to describe the right and right would be the word they use to describe the left.


:huh: I understand nothing

[Janus]

The KKK still lynch people
KKK?


how is the old communist party doing? or is it even around anymore?
The CPSU is gone but there are some successor parties such as the Communist Party of the Russian Federation though they are democratic socialists.

[sanpal]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 06, 2006 08:29 pm
how is the old communist party doing? or is it even around anymore?
There is its official site (www.cprf.ru).

During the period after the former USSR collapsed the Communist party of Russian Federation is losing its influence from voting to voting. CPRF becomes at present one of the plural opposition parties of bourgeois parliament. I think it soon would rename itself from 'communist' into 'social - democratic party. But it is only my opinion.