post your opinions - cmon

[Jesus Christ]

i wanna hear everyones opinion on former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev



(Edited by Primus32302 at 4:07 am on May 27, 2003)

[Pete]

In short a bastard. Others can expand, because I am sure many will :)

[Dhul Fiqar]

Please, PLEASE don't start threads like "Hey tell me this..." or shit like that, it's not hard to specify what the Q is about in the topic. No one likes having to open the thread just to find out it's something they can't help with or aren't interested in...

--- G.

[Organic Revolution]

hes a fuck up

[Jesus Christ]

one of the reasons i left all these other message boards is because people have stupid ass anger problems
so please dont drive me out of a board ive grown to like
wow, i posted something stupid
get over it and move on

[Dhul Fiqar]

It's a good question, but if you had put it in the topic you'd have gotten more answers from people actually wanting to say something on the topic.

The other major problem is you have not voiced any starting point for this discussion, a short outline of why you're asking and what you think about him would help to get this going.

Welcome to the community, we don't mean to drive you out :)

--- G.

[Jesus Christ]

thanks
let me sum it up
what i really want to know is if everybody thinks he is a jackass capitalist for "helping" the Soviet Union dissolve
or if everbody thinks he was a great Soviet Leader but just left a gaping hole for the US to interfere

[Kapitan Andrey]

...I don't respect him much...

[Dhul Fiqar]

Well, I think his major mistake was in his reaction when he came back after the coup, if he had joined Yeltsin on the balcony he could have rallied the people behind a new order in the SOVIET context, instead of the Russian context.

Working with Yeltsin is not a nice thought, but basically what I mean is that I think he could have taken a lot of the "hero" glow of the moment away from Yeltsin and diverted attension from his selfish goals towards a more unified stance against disolution of the Union.

--- G.

[ireallyhadablackout]

Hmmm. Now I am supicious. Look, people, we can't change history and when we learn about it we must act like everyone in history is suspect otherwise we will miss what is really going on.

The collapse of the Soviet Union was inevitable. I wish I could explain why right now, only I can't yet I know that it has everything to do with globalization, hail the super church, business.

We must never forget, world leaders are the scapegoats! We are all a bunch of losers because we prefer to point fingers instead of assuming the resposibility for an existance we did not create yet have the potential and duty to change.

I like Primus! There is a song out there on the "Judgement Night" cd, soundtrack that sounds like Primus, only I am certain that the guitar riffs are not as good. The song is called "Freak Momma" and it is a collaboration of Mudhoney and Sir Mix-A-Lot. Cool song, its not better than "My name is Mudd" though. :smile:

[Kez]

These are chapters from a book i bought, pretty useful and detailed on the shithead Gorbachov and the whole fuckin beaurocracy were

http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part7.html
http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part8.html
http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part9.html
http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part10.html

also, id recommend reading the following chapters on post soviet CIS.
TEll u the truth, just buy the fuckin book, easy to get in USA or UK, or europe

comrade kamo

[Cassius Clay]

He was the best spy the CIA ever had.

Unfournatly folkes I'm saying that with some 'evidence' to back that up. But to blame everything on Gorby would be simplism, to take a view like the CPUSA or many others that everyhting was cosy until a 'handful of traitors came along' is wrong and doesn't stand up to the facts. The sad reality is Capitalism had been in place in the USSR since the 1960's, Gorby just came along and removed any remains of 'Socialism' there were left and welcomed in uncle Sam.

There's a phrase some use for a certain Georgian, for Gorbachev it's 'He inherited Russia as a Superpower and left it in ruin'.

Anyway the man recently admitted that 'My intention all along was to destroy Socialism' so there you have it. He's become so embraced in his own ego he charged one South American country 20 Dollars for every word he spoke at some dinner.

Oh yeah wasn't he supposed to be the Antichrist. Blood stain on his head and all.

[Urban Rubble]

I thought Regan was the AntiChrist, seeing as how he had six letters in all 3 of his names.