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Chicom
3rd December 2006, 08:33
India / West Bengal: World’s Longest –Running Democratically Elected Marxist Government

The world’s longest-running democratically elected Marxist government governs India’s eastern state of West Bengal. In last May’s assembly elections the communists not only returned to power in West Bengal for a record consecutive 5-year term, but they also achieved a three-fourths majority.

The followers of Marx and Lenin have handled the affairs of 80 million people of West Bengal for the past 30 years. What is the secret of success for a political party that once believed in single-party rule and government control over most affairs? Ambassador Teresita Schaffer, former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia, says the Marxist party emphasized good governance over ideology: “You have to look at the West Bengal’s Communist party predominantly as a regional party, only secondarily as an ideological one.”

Manas Ghosh is the editor of Dainik Statesman, a newspaper published in West Bengal’s capital, Calcutta. He says the Marxist party has more or less become a social democratic party: “Now they don’t talk about following a revolutionary path," says Mr. Ghosh. “In fact it has become more of a social democratic, than a revolutionary, party. It has undergone a change in its character.”

But Ambassador Teresita Schaffer disagrees: “From the start it has accepted the democratic process in India, at least from the point they started winning elections. They were doing well. Why shouldn’t they accept it? If you ask what their ideology was, they would have given you a very much communist- style answer like more power to the workers. That is an important part of their ideology. But they have been able to get there by democratic means.”

Taking a cue from China, West Bengals’s Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharya has pushed through an ambitious economic reform program with an approach more capitalist than communist. He has invited foreign investment, privatized state-owned companies and properties, and is pushing to make West Bengal a major Information Technology hub - moves that have often earned him the ire of his party's Politburo members.

In an interview with the BBC, Chief Minister Bhattacharya did not hide the fact that he is inspired by the Chinese who are following capitalist policies while keeping communism intact. “The Chinese government initiated several new programs,” says Mr. Bhattacharya. “Now they say the socialist economy should also allow different types of ownership, state ownership, collective ownership including private ownership and foreign investment.”

But many young people in West Bengal say there is one point on which Communist West Bengal and Communist China will never agree: “Whatever we get to know about China’s policies, they do not practice human rights. We are not ready to sacrifice human rights to get people out of poverty, No."

Nonetheless, many Bengalis still distrust communism. Journalist Manas Ghosh says they fear that the original goal of the Marxists is still a one-party state and that the communists are using democracy as a means to that goal: “It is a Stalinist party which believes in a one-party system. And one day you will find they would certainly like to impose one-party rule in India.”

However, Ambassador Teresita Schaffer sees it differently. “I don’t know whether they dream of a one-party system," says Ambassador Schaffer. "If they do, they must realize that particular dream is not likely to come true. I think they are perfectly comfortable working in the multi-party system."

Analysts say West Bengal, along with the rest of India, is moving toward globalization and a free market economy. As is the case with other political parties ruling in several other states of India, the Marxist government in West Bengal has no choice except to follow a democratic path - if it wants to remain in power.

Our report was written by Subhash Vohra. For VOA News Now I'm Steve Ember.

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/200...FTOKEN=56618739 (http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-09/2006-08-30-voa29.cfm?CFID=7148010&CFTOKEN=56618739)

Cheung Mo
3rd December 2006, 09:19
It's much better than Congress playing sucky-sucky with Washington or the Hindutva thugs repressing and slaughtering religious, sexual, and ethnic minorities.

Rawthentic
3rd December 2006, 22:43
Yeah, but don't expect a revolution either.

Phalanx
3rd December 2006, 22:48
I read a good article on West Bengal, and it seems many of the Party leaders are friends of big business. I don't think West Bengal will find itself with better living standards for the time being, with those reformists in power.

OneBrickOneVoice
3rd December 2006, 23:23
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 10:43 pm
Yeah, but don't expect a revolution either.
Actually unlike autonoumous marxists, council communists, left-communists, trots, anarchists, and all the like; the Naxalite Maoists have been fighting a people's war and control parts of China. The same goes for Nepal next door although now they joined the government, but they still control most of the country and run it in a socialist fashion.

Red Heretic
4th December 2006, 00:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 11:23 pm
the Naxalite Maoists have been fighting a people's war and control parts of China
I think you mean India comrade ;)

Red Heretic
4th December 2006, 00:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 10:43 pm
Yeah, but don't expect a revolution either.
You're absolutely right that we shouldn't expect a revolution from the phoney communist "Communist Party of India (Marxist)." However, there is a revolution happening in India led by Communist Party of India (Maoist).

By the way, the CPI(Maoist) launched 4 different major operations in West Bengal this week alone, and they're winning!


The same goes for Nepal next door although now they joined the government, but they still control most of the country and run it in a socialist fashion.

Yeah, and it's not even just India and Nepal either! The Indian and Nepali Maoists say that South Asia is about to become the storm center of the world revolution, unleashing a wave of revolutions all throughout South Asia. They want to unite all of South Asia as a single federation of socialist countries too, called the "South Asian Soviet Federation."

Imagine what that would mean for the world revolution!

OneBrickOneVoice
4th December 2006, 00:41
Originally posted by Red Heretic+December 04, 2006 12:26 am--> (Red Heretic @ December 04, 2006 12:26 am)
[email protected] 03, 2006 11:23 pm
the Naxalite Maoists have been fighting a people's war and control parts of China
I think you mean India comrade ;) [/b]
whoops ya that's what I meant. I don't know why I wrote China.

There are however common farmer uprisings in China that are under the banner of Mao too.

Red Heretic
4th December 2006, 00:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 12:41 am
There are however common farmer uprisings in China that are under the banner of Mao too.
Yeah! I remember how many radical people I met when I was in China, but unfortunately everyone is totally unorganized. It would be absolutely incredible if a new revolutionary party could be formed in China.

Rawthentic
4th December 2006, 01:13
Originally posted by Red Heretic+December 03, 2006 04:34 pm--> (Red Heretic @ December 03, 2006 04:34 pm)
[email protected] 03, 2006 10:43 pm
Yeah, but don't expect a revolution either.
You're absolutely right that we shouldn't expect a revolution from the phoney communist "Communist Party of India (Marxist)." However, there is a revolution happening in India led by Communist Party of India (Maoist).

By the way, the CPI(Maoist) launched 4 different major operations in West Bengal this week alone, and they're winning!


The same goes for Nepal next door although now they joined the government, but they still control most of the country and run it in a socialist fashion.

Yeah, and it's not even just India and Nepal either! The Indian and Nepali Maoists say that South Asia is about to become the storm center of the world revolution, unleashing a wave of revolutions all throughout South Asia. They want to unite all of South Asia as a single federation of socialist countries too, called the "South Asian Soviet Federation."

Imagine what that would mean for the world revolution! [/b]



Well that sounds exciting. Now, let me ask you. Are they gonna be socialist revolutions that will end up in state-capitalism or socialist revolutions that have the material conditions to actually undergo and sustain a socialist society?

I am a libertarian Marxist and I know that these revolutions that you speak of are Leninist, but if they are large and significant, then I am down to help in some way.

By the way, do you have any links on these Asian issues? thanks comrade

Red Heretic
4th December 2006, 01:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 01:13 am
Are they gonna be socialist revolutions that will end up in state-capitalism or socialist revolutions that have the material conditions to actually undergo and sustain a socialist society?


Well, until we get to communism, there will always be potential for the restoration of capitalism. The revolutionaries are Maoists. Maoists believe that commodity production constantly pushes things back toward capitalism and produces inequalities, so there will have to be many cultural revolutions under socialism until we can get to communism. This means that there will have to be struggle within the party. At certain points, we will even have rise up and oust people from the party who are trying to take things back to capitalism.

Until we get to communism, a new bourgeoisie can always be forming within the party, and the masses of people must rise up, crush it, and defend their rule over society. It is even possible for the new bourgeoisie inside the party to take control of the Party through a coup d'etat, and to restore capitalism (as happened in the Soviet Union and China).

The road forward to communism is very stormy, will have many set backs as well as leaps forward, and will progress in a spiral like motion until communism.


By the way, do you have any links on these Asian issues? thanks comrade

Sure! For starters, there are movies from the Maoists in both Nepal and India posted on the website, World Revolution Media (http://revmedia.net).

Also, you can read the revolutionary Maoist journal from India: People's March (http://peoplesmarch.googlepages.com/)

Another really good article which discusses some of the is from last year's A World to Win which you can read here: The People's War in Nepal: Taking the Strategic Offensive (http://awtw.org/current_issues/nepal.htm)

I also have more in-depth theoretical articles between different the different Maoist parties around the world if you're interested in that. PM me for more info.

Vargha Poralli
4th December 2006, 04:14
Originally posted by Red Heretic+December 04, 2006 06:04 am--> (Red Heretic @ December 04, 2006 06:04 am)
[email protected] 03, 2006 10:43 pm
Yeah, but don't expect a revolution either.
You're absolutely right that we shouldn't expect a revolution from the phoney communist "Communist Party of India (Marxist)." However, there is a revolution happening in India led by Communist Party of India (Maoist).

By the way, the CPI(Maoist) launched 4 different major operations in West Bengal this week alone, and they're winning!


The same goes for Nepal next door although now they joined the government, but they still control most of the country and run it in a socialist fashion.

Yeah, and it's not even just India and Nepal either! The Indian and Nepali Maoists say that South Asia is about to become the storm center of the world revolution, unleashing a wave of revolutions all throughout South Asia. They want to unite all of South Asia as a single federation of socialist countries too, called the "South Asian Soviet Federation."

Imagine what that would mean for the world revolution! [/b]
I don't know who in the world are you kidding. the Communist Party of India(Maoist) is one of 8 Naxal group and i don't think they have big base of support aprt from the poorest sections of Bihar and Madhya pradesh.

I don't oppose them per se but their tactics are really out dated and their strenght is like a dust when compared to indian police.

IMO the most effective Naxal group as of now is PWG who have their base in Andhra pradesh and Chattisgarh both in Numbers and Weaponry.

South Asia is a weak link in Global Capitalism and is a fresh ground for revolution but the Naxals are in no position to exploit the situation.

Red Heretic
4th December 2006, 04:40
I don't know who in the world are you kidding. the Communist Party of India(Maoist) is one of 8 Naxal group and i don't think they have big base of support aprt from the poorest sections of Bihar and Madhya pradesh.


IMO the most effective Naxal group as of now is PWG who have their base in Andhra pradesh and Chattisgarh both in Numbers and Weaponry.

Yeah, there are lots of different Naxals groups in India, but many of them are now merging. If I'm not mistaken, the PWG is also in talks to merge with the CPI(Maoist). The CPI(Maoist) has also stated that their goal is to control 1/3 of the country within the next 5 years.

They are rapidly spreading throughout the Indian countryside, and gaining the support of the Indian people.


I don't oppose them per se but their tactics are really out dated

Outdated as opposed to what? Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is the highest stage of Marxist theory so-far. Are you arguing there is a newer and higher stage of revolutionary theory?


and their strenght is like a dust when compared to indian police.

Don't give me that bullshit. The Nepalese revolution was started with a few muskets, and today they control 90% of the countryside with thousands of advanced weapons that they acquired through battle with the enemy.

Maoists in the oppressed countries utilize Protracted People's War to constantly attack the weaknesses of the enemy, so that one can grow strong while the enemy grows weaker.


South Asia is a weak link in Global Capitalism and is a fresh ground for revolution but the Naxals are in no position to exploit the situation.

Revolutions do not just "start out" at an advanced stage. It wasn't like Mao just suddenly controlled most of the Chinese countryside, and decided it was time to seize state power from the KMT. It took 30 years of revolutionary struggle.

Keyser
6th December 2006, 05:10
The so-called 'marxists' re-elected to the regional government of West Bengal are not marxists, communists or revolutionaries of any sort.

The Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) is just a centrist reformist party that is even ditching it's social democratic position in an effort to ape their ideological mentors in Beijing. The Chinese path of slavish loyalty and participation in the global capitalist process combined with a brutal exploitation of workers and resources is the path the CPI-M is wishing to follow.

Here is a news story about the CPI-M leader and West Bengal governor, Buddhadev Bhattacharya, and his plan to force poor farmers off their land so as to make way for a car factory. The farmers and the local community have made their resistance known and the Maoist guerrillas have bombed a related target.

BBC World News: Protests at West Bengal car plant. Farmers demonstrate and Maoists bomb corporate target. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6206112.stm)

Vargha Poralli
6th December 2006, 07:04
Originally posted by Anarchism [email protected] 06, 2006 10:40 am
The so-called 'marxists' re-elected to the regional government of West Bengal are not marxists, communists or revolutionaries of any sort.

The Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) is just a centrist reformist party that is even ditching it's social democratic position in an effort to ape their ideological mentors in Beijing. The Chinese path of slavish loyalty and participation in the global capitalist process combined with a brutal exploitation of workers and resources is the path the CPI-M is wishing to follow.

Here is a news story about the CPI-M leader and West Bengal governor, Buddhadev Bhattacharya, and his plan to force poor farmers off their land so as to make way for a car factory. The farmers and the local community have made their resistance known and the Maoist guerrillas have bombed a related target.

BBC World News: Protests at West Bengal car plant. Farmers demonstrate and Maoists bomb corporate target. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6206112.stm)
So true. About to post that myself. They could placed in the dictionary as an meaning for "TRAITORS". Funny part is that they oppose similar tactics in the states where they are in opposition side.I have been an member once in their students wing and decided not to join in it after seeing their shameless politics. They also support the current neo-Liberal reformism of Congress govt.,

Redheretic


Yeah, there are lots of different Naxals groups in India, but many of them are now merging. If I'm not mistaken, the PWG is also in talks to merge with the CPI(Maoist). The CPI(Maoist) has also stated that their goal is to control 1/3 of the country within the next 5 years.
That was a very old news. It has failed and they have decided to take their own route no merger plans as of now.


Outdated as opposed to what? Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is the highest stage of Marxist theory so-far. Are you arguing there is a newer and higher stage of revolutionary theory?


Yeah Soviet Union claimed that and what is the result now. The purpose of history is to learn from it.


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and their strenght is like a dust when compared to indian police.


Don't give me that bullshit. The Nepalese revolution was started with a few muskets, and today they control 90% of the countryside with thousands of advanced weapons that they acquired through battle with the enemy.

Maoists in the oppressed countries utilize Protracted People's War to constantly attack the weaknesses of the enemy, so that one can grow strong while the enemy grows weaker.

When a truth is told it is intolerable to you and becomes Bullshit. Some sort of argument you have. But what you think to be the weakness of the enemy is turning in to its strength. and Maoist are not learning from the past. They are trying to repeat it as opposed to police forces who does the opposite.


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South Asia is a weak link in Global Capitalism and is a fresh ground for revolution but the Naxals are in no position to exploit the situation.


Revolutions do not just "start out" at an advanced stage. It wasn't like Mao just suddenly controlled most of the Chinese countryside, and decided it was time to seize state power from the KMT. It took 30 years of revolutionary struggle.


But Mao also had an advantage of fighting an weak enemy. The Indian govt is not KMT and none of the politician is as stupid as Chiang . Unfortunately Maoists never realise it .

Janus
6th December 2006, 23:04
The CPI(M) is hardly Marxists at all, more like democratic socialists posing as communists. They dropped the revolutionary struggle a long time ago and even though they do have popular support, little radical change is going to occur while they're in power.

Red Heretic
7th December 2006, 01:49
Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 07:04 am
That was a very old news. It has failed and they have decided to take their own route no merger plans as of now.





Untrue. The CPI(Maoist)'s leader, Ganapathy, was talking about this in an interview only two weeks ago in an interview entitled South Asia is Indeed Becoming the Storm Center of the World Revolution.

Link (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MAOIST_REVOLUTION/message/3881) (Unfortunately, you must join the Yahoo Group to view the article).


Yeah Soviet Union claimed that and what is the result now. The purpose of history is to learn from it.

Yeah, and before the Chinese Revolution, Marxism-Leninism was the most advanced ideology out there. What's you point? Just because there were coups in Soviet Union and China which restored capitalism doesn't make the theory and lessons gained from those revolutions "out of date."

For something to be out of date, there would have to be something new which more correctly explains the truth on an even higher level, or the world situation would have had to completely changed. We are still in the imperialist epoch of capitalism which is what the strategic aspect of Mao's theories concentrate on.


When a truth is told it is intolerable to you

Yeah that's it. Whenever I hear anything that's true, my ears start bleeding! :lol: :rolleyes:


But what you think to be the weakness of the enemy is turning in to its strength.

That's quite a statement. Would you like to back it up?


and Maoist are not learning from the past. They are trying to repeat it as opposed to police forces who does the opposite.

That's totally untrue, and anyone who reads any of the CPI(Maoist)'s documents will know this. They have produced entire volumes of theory summing up the lessons of the Chinese revolution, criticizing things which they consider to be short comings of the Chinese revolution, and applying those lessons to the concrete conditions in India.


But Mao also had an advantage of fighting an weak enemy. The Indian govt is not KMT and none of the politician is as stupid as Chiang . Unfortunately Maoists never realise it .

Ok, so when the Vietcong utilized Mao's theory of Protracted People's War to fight (and successfully defeat) US imperialism, that was "just a weak enemy" too?

And it's bullshit that Mao only fought "a weak enemy." They spent years fighting (and winning) against the Japanese imperialists, and the KMT was supplied with millions upon millions by the US imperialists.

naxalrevolution
8th May 2007, 12:44
And it this same Hitlerite social fascist party which has been responsible for the
Nandigram Genocide in which more than 50 peasents were killed ...
these 50 people were killed to appease the Indonesian monster Salim group of
companies...


Watch the video of the Nandigram Genocide

http://naxalrevolution.blogspot.com/2007/0...th-footage.html (http://naxalrevolution.blogspot.com/2007/05/nandigram-genocide-video-with-footage.html)

naxalrevolution
8th May 2007, 12:46
@ G. ram remember this.....

All reactionaries are paper tigers

Victory starts in your head and then spreads with such radiance
that destiny can do nothing but obey.

Karl Marx's Camel
8th May 2007, 14:52
By the way, the CPI(Maoist) launched 4 different major operations in West Bengal this week alone, and they're winning!

They might be winning, but not the working class/peasantry.

What will be left after they won would be a middle aged leader named Abhishek who will rule India for 30-40 years until he dies and then some other Party member will take over and invite the foreign capitalist class.