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Invader Zim
22nd May 2003, 20:04
Robert Owen was born in Newton, in Mid-Wales, son of a of the local saddler and ironmonger. He was an exceptionally bight child, having read many of the popular classics, such as Robinson Crusoe, before he was 10 years old.

He went off to join the cotton industry as a young man and became exceptionally rich. He got the position of factory manager (later partner in the owning company) in a factory in New Lanark and made huge profits. He did this by giving his workers the best conditions he could, his workers stronger worked harder to please him and because of there added strength were more efficient. They were the highest paid and had the lowest number of hours than any other workers i the industry.

Owen was the first to set up nursery school's for his workers and provided them with the best education facilities he could offer.

He created the first ever, Co-operative movement, which was basically where all people worked to better the lives of there fellow workers, knowing that the other workers would be doing the same for them.

In attempting to spread his communities he went to the USA and set up another community. This one was very successful, however it's massive popularity was to be its downfall. People from all over the states flocked to the community. However the community could not cope under such sudden increase in numbers and collapsed.

Owens spent most of his massive fortune on the communities and his workers, and for the rest of his life was an outcast from society as a hated socialist.

He gave up every thing to help the working class.

"He organised infants schools. He secured the reduction of the hours of labour for women and children in factories. He was a liberal supporter of the earliest efforts to obtain national education. He laboured to promote international arbitration. He was one of the foremost Britons who taught men to aspire to a higher social state by reconciling the interests of capital and labour. He spent his life and a large fortune in seeking to improve his fellowmen by giving them education, self-reliance, and moral worth. His life was sanctified by human affection and lofty effort".

The epitaph on the Owen Memorial in Kensal Green Cemetery


This can never do true justice to the man, one of the greatest socialist's of all time, and friend of the working class.

To read more visit: -

http://www.che-lives.net/users/ak47/biography.html

Urban Rubble
22nd May 2003, 20:41
Wow, nice site, I'll read up.

Invader Zim
22nd May 2003, 20:53
Quote: from Urban Rubble on 8:41 pm on May 22, 2003
Wow, nice site, I'll read up.

Thanks, but its not finnished yet, i have to add the gallery and links page.

GCusack
22nd May 2003, 21:46
A true hero to the working class!! Rest in peace!

chamo
22nd May 2003, 22:19
Great Site, is it yours? Good stuff.

Owen was a far more active person than Marx in setting up amenities for the working class rather than just publicising his ideas. I think he deserves just as much respect as Karl Marx.

Invader Zim
22nd May 2003, 22:26
Quote: from happyguy on 10:19 pm on May 22, 2003
Great Site, is it yours? Good stuff.

Owen was a far more active person than Marx in setting up amenities for the working class rather than just publicising his ideas. I think he deserves just as much respect as Karl Marx.

Great Site, is it yours?

Yes it is and thanks for visiting and complimenting. :)

I think he deserves just as much respect as Karl Marx

Thats my ultimate goal, topublisise this little known but great man.

If anyone is interested in Robert Owen try this site: -

http://robert-owen.midwales.com/

Very good source especially the Robert Owen 1771-1858 link. You will probably notice that ive ignored some copywrite laws...

Ian
23rd May 2003, 12:28
The guy is a capitalist simple as that, just because he set up Schools and nurseries doesn't mean he isn't exploiting anyone, in fact the anti-capitalist would see increased profit not as a welcome side-effect of him building schools and decreasing hours, but as the desired result. He did it primarily as a way to get more productivity and money, not make them comfy!

He was a Utopian that wanted the harmony between capital and labour.

Look he was a decent bloke, I'm just not going to pretend I like him as much as you.

Invader Zim
23rd May 2003, 12:39
Quote: from Ian Rocks on 12:28 pm on May 23, 2003
The guy is a capitalist simple as that, just because he set up Schools and nurseries doesn't mean he isn't exploiting anyone, in fact the anti-capitalist would see increased profit not as a welcome side-effect of him building schools and decreasing hours, but as the desired result. He did it primarily as a way to get more productivity and money, not make them comfy!

He was a Utopian that wanted the harmony between capital and labour.

Look he was a decent bloke, I'm just not going to pretend I like him as much as you.

No ian he was a socialist, he actually was one of th first inventors of socialism. Karl Marx's theorys of communism were based on the theorys of co-operative sociotys, created by St Simon and Owen.

The guy gave every penny he had to the socialist cause, no-one can ever just call him a capitalist, as he helped invente the very movement you follow.

The fact he died very poor becauase he gave his money to help his workers totaly disproves you comment: -

"He did it primarily as a way to get more productivity and money, not make them comfy!"

The evidance is right there set in stone and iron belts.

GCusack
23rd May 2003, 18:09
I agree with AK jst because this man made money doesnt make him a cappatalist, as AK said he died penniless because he spent the money on the workers so that they had equal rites as him!

YKTMX
24th May 2003, 12:27
I've been to the New Lanark (it's a visitor centre now) and there's no doubt it about it, Robert Owen was a real visionary.

Invader Zim
24th May 2003, 12:57
Quote: from YouKnowTheyMurderedX on 12:27 pm on May 24, 2003
I've been to the New Lanark (it's a visitor centre now) and there's no doubt it about it, Robert Owen was a real visionary.

Really?

Lucky bastard, i really want to visit. Do you have any pics, i could have? You see i need some for a gallery page i am making. If i could have any i would be very grateful.

YKTMX
30th May 2003, 17:23
Quote: from AK47 on 12:57 pm on May 24, 2003

Quote: from YouKnowTheyMurderedX on 12:27 pm on May 24, 2003
I've been to the New Lanark (it's a visitor centre now) and there's no doubt it about it, Robert Owen was a real visionary.

Really?

Lucky bastard, i really want to visit. Do you have any pics, i could have? You see i need some for a gallery page i am making. If i could have any i would be very grateful.

No, sorry. You should visit sometime, great place. In a beautiful area of Scotland aswell.

Invader Zim
30th May 2003, 22:48
Quote: from YouKnowTheyMurderedX on 5:23 pm on May 30, 2003

Quote: from AK47 on 12:57 pm on May 24, 2003

Quote: from YouKnowTheyMurderedX on 12:27 pm on May 24, 2003
I've been to the New Lanark (it's a visitor centre now) and there's no doubt it about it, Robert Owen was a real visionary.

Really?

Lucky bastard, i really want to visit. Do you have any pics, i could have? You see i need some for a gallery page i am making. If i could have any i would be very grateful.

No, sorry. You should visit sometime, great place. In a beautiful area of Scotland aswell.

Ahh well, thanks for the input though, i certainly will take a trip up there one day.