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Simon
30th November 2006, 15:46
Hi evrybody.

I'm searching for some information about the book of ché, "guerilla warfare"
Does it got a ISBN number?
Or where can i download, buy,... it?

Thanx for your time

Simon

loveme4whoiam
30th November 2006, 16:53
ISBN of my copy is 0285636804. You can pick it up just about anywhere reasonably cheaply. All high street booksellers should have a copy, and if they don't should be able to order it without a problem. Or you could just get it from the internet even cheaper :)

As for downloading, do a google search and it might reveal a source. I prefer the paper version as i like to read without using a screen.

Vyru
30th November 2006, 17:02
I found mine in the library. The ISBN is the same as listed above. Retails for about 8 quid.

Hope that helps,

Liam

Pirate Utopian
30th November 2006, 18:22
or get it for free: http://www.bellum.nu/literature/guevara001.html

bolshevik butcher
30th November 2006, 18:52
I've read it, dont know why, I wouldn't reccomend it really. Even if you were interested in starting a guerilla war the weapons in it are completley out dated. If you've not read much marxist theory I'd reccomend you the communist manifesto.

loveme4whoiam
30th November 2006, 20:05
Do you think the tactics are still relevant? This isn't a faececitous question (or however you spell it), I'm actually interested. I'm going to be doing an essay or "insurgent warfare" for my uni next week and I planned on using Guerrilla Warfare as an example of tactics that worked, and as a semi call-to-arms for other guerrillas. You think that is still true?

Pirate Utopian
30th November 2006, 20:17
he does mention good avice on ammunition (not attacking unless you know you can earn it back by seizing it from the enemy after it's defeat)
and recruiting, propagenda and sush; the weaponsthing is a minor detail.

the biggest thing is that Che mentions mountains, woods and sush, and you were from belgium or holland if im correct, so his theories on land wont come in handy, however i still recommand it.

if your intrested in guerrilla warfare read Carlos Marighella's "MINIMANUAL OF THE URBAN GUERILLA" (http://www.bellum.nu/literature/marighella001.html)
and Mao Tse-Tung's On Guerrilla Warfare (http://www.bellum.nu/literature/mao001.html).
Marighella's work is intresting because it focuses on the cities instead of the mountanious regions, he didnt win a revolution though andsome parts of his tactics are questionable (like on terrorism) wich is why you should read Che to even it out with.

Nothing Human Is Alien
30th November 2006, 22:27
Here it is in .pdf: http://freepeoplesmovement.org/guwar.pdf

Supposedly, the English version is out of print, but there are copies around.

loveme4whoiam
1st December 2006, 00:05
Out of print? I'll check that when I'm next in work (I work in a bookshop) but I'm pretty sure we in the UK can get hold of some edition, at least the one whose ISBN I quoted above :).


and you were from belgium or holland if im correct
England - my terrible grammar and spelling must be sending out false flags again :P Unless you are talking about the terrain of those countries, in which case yes, you are correct :).

Thanks for the links, I shall certainly read them. I want this essay to be good, as I want to base my career around understanding the history of guerrilla war. I think I downloaded those books a couple of years ago but never got around to reading them - thanks very much.

I would agree with your points on Che's work - the weapons thing is more adaptable than other things, like use of propaganda etc. Obviously that has changed as well with the changes and advancements of media, but you get my drift. It is clear in the book that Che was basing his tactics on mountainous terrain (Cuban terrain :P), so it'll be good to look at some other works which focus on different terrain types and how guerrillas could effectively operate there.

Red October
1st December 2006, 00:28
i dont think its out of print in english. my local library has some copies that look pretty new.

Joby
1st December 2006, 03:59
Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2006 08:05 pm
Do you think the tactics are still relevant? This isn't a faececitous question (or however you spell it), I'm actually interested. I'm going to be doing an essay or "insurgent warfare" for my uni next week and I planned on using Guerrilla Warfare as an example of tactics that worked, and as a semi call-to-arms for other guerrillas. You think that is still true?
The SAS survival guide and Ranger guide, as well as the CIAs booklet on overthrowing govts are good as well.

Ariev
1st December 2006, 17:27
Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 03:59 am
The SAS survival guide and Ranger guide, as well as the CIAs booklet on overthrowing govts are good as well.
Anyone has PDF's of those?

And from what i remember guerrilla warfare had pictures about how to adapt a shotgun to fire a molotov cocktail, but i can't find them anywere on the internet.

Pirate Utopian
1st December 2006, 22:34
http://www.bellum.nu/literature/tacayan.html
that's the CIA one, it's no PDF i cant find one, i havent read this one

loveme4whoiam
1st December 2006, 23:28
And from what i remember guerrilla warfare had pictures about how to adapt a shotgun to fire a molotov cocktail, but i can't find them anywere on the internet.
Indeed there are - surprisingly detailed diagrams actually with a decent explanation of the process. I don't have a scanner else I'd put it up on Imageshack (I'm pretty certain placing those images on Revleft wouldn't be a smart idea), but you might as well get the book itself :)

Janus
2nd December 2006, 02:25
Do you think the tactics are still relevant?
Certain tactics may be outdated or rendered obsolete by technology but guerrilla warfare theories in general are always relevant. Counterinsurgency students still study the Art of War, Mao, Ho, and Giap's works.

ahab
2nd December 2006, 03:57
theres a movie coming out called 'guerilla' and its about che's life

subcal
2nd December 2006, 07:31
me thinks that there should be a list of good links to 'revolutionary' sites established here in.

Pirate Utopian
2nd December 2006, 21:46
http://www.bellum.nu/literature/suntzu001.html
Sun Tzu's The Art Of War no guerilla warfare book but very influential on guerrilla fighters like Mao

Red October
3rd December 2006, 03:57
go to army surplus stores and buy their old training manuals. i got a good one on counter-guerilla operations.

Ariev
3rd December 2006, 09:54
Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 03:59 am
The SAS survival guide and Ranger guide, as well as the CIAs booklet on overthrowing govts are good as well.
The US Army Survival Manual is also good:
http://outdoors-magazine.com/IMG/pdf/FM_21...IVAL_MANUAL.pdf (http://outdoors-magazine.com/IMG/pdf/FM_21-76_US_ARMY_SURVIVAL_MANUAL.pdf)