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Comrade Marcel
29th November 2006, 21:53
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'White power': Campus group stirs race debate

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Jessica Rafuse



By Jessica Rafuse

Published on 11/22/2006

Some white students at Ryerson are uniting on Facebook to announce their status as white minorities in response to increased diversity on campus.

An online group called "I'm a White Minority @ Ryerson" has attracted 64 users since it was created in early November by Quinton Coish, 23, a fifth-year information technology management student.

'White power': Campus group stirs race debate

Special to the Ryersonian

man in white outfit
http://www.ryersonline.ca/content_images/NicoleRyersonian/1122/whiteman.jpg
Photo taken from Facebook.com

An unidentified man in a white body suit poses in a photo posted on a Facebook group about white culture. The photo has since been removed.

Some white students at Ryerson are uniting on Facebook to announce their status as white minorities in response to increased diversity on campus.

An online group called "I'm a White Minority @ Ryerson" has attracted 64 users since it was created in early November by Quinton Coish, 23, a fifth-year information technology management student.

"I just thought it was funny and it's kind of true," Coish said when asked why he created the group. "Depending on the program you're in, you're a (white) minority, which is different than it was 50 years ago."

The group's online profile, hosted on Facebook, a popular networking site for university students, describes itself as, "Ryerson's first Ethnic/Cultural Group for white people!" It contains postings welcoming redneck jokes, asking where their RSU student group money is, and was updated last Sunday to state, "No, this is not a group for those who are racist."

On a campus that celebrates and values diversity as a significant feature that defines the Ryerson University experience, an online group like this raises more than just eyebrows.

Is it funny to joke about it?

"It's a sign that they think things have progressed enough that they can joke about whiteness," said Cheryl Teelucksingh, a sociology professor at Ryerson who specializes in race, ethnicity and diversity. "What is missing here is a lack of awareness of white privilege and how it operates."

When the Ryersonian showed print outs of the group's online profile to President Sheldon Levy, he said he didn't know anything about it, but that, "it certainly doesn't sound at all like something that belongs here."

For Jen Pringle, being part of the group has more to do with the irony of being in a minority group whose members are generally considered to be a majority.

"When I hear about it creating conflict, does that mean we'll be pinned as being racist and trying to be white supremacists? It's absolutely not about that," said Pringle, a fourth-year student in arts and contemporary studies who is focusing on equity and diversity studies. "Honestly, it's about poking fun at being white."

Ryerson sociology professor Fiona Whittington-Walsh doesn't buy it.

"I think it's disturbing that they're arguing reverse racism," said Whittington-Walsh, who has concentrated on media, race and ethnicity. "It's saying that if it's funny or a joke, it somehow legitimizes the hate behind it."

Both Coish and Pringle argue there is no hidden meaning behind the group.

"We're in no way trying to perpetuate any sort of idea of white dominance or that diversity shouldn't be allowed," Pringle said.

"I just think back to first year. When you come in, if you're Christian or into Buddhism you have a group you can probably join. If you're Asian or Indian you have a group that's set up to welcome you," Coish said. "But if you're a Caucasian student, what do you do?"

Coish is currently the treasurer for the adventure society on campus and acknowledges there are a handful of non-cultural interest groups he could join. He said he also and understands he's welcome to join cultural clubs on campus.

But he doesn't think there are cultural groups that exist for people like him, and thinks this online group is a way to humorously comment on what he thinks is an absence of white culture, and to connect those of similar minds.

"I just feel like everyone has stuff in common with each other except white people, and we are basically the outcasts," said group member Josh Horowitz, a third year business student at Ryerson. "I joined the group because I thought it was funny and because it is totally true."

In an effort to protect its group members, Coish made the group private last week, meaning only members of the group can access its bulletin board, forum and photo gallery. Coish added that the group does not discriminate about who can join.

The photo gallery includes one with Caucasians wearing helmets sitting in the back seat of a car with a caption that reads, "Minorities need to be protected." There's also one with students holding shot glasses of liquor with the caption, "Cheers to being a white minority @ Ryerson." Another photo showed six spoons being held over a man's head, with the caption, "Minorities need to be fed (preferably with a spoon)," which Coish says is a random picture from a party and the caption, "really has no meaning to it."

Coish took down a more controversial photo of a friend who was photographed at a party wearing all white. Coish said the photo was taken months ago and that the man's clothing wasn't intentional and had no connection to the group.

Comments made by group members on the wall (bulletin) express, "Finally white power at Ryerson"; "I've been upset that I can't be part of any group/club at Ryerson…Good thing this came along,"; "This whole thing feels kind of wrong but I like it, if there can be Asian associations why can't there be a white club?"

There is also a White Culture Club on Facebook that has 18 members in total who all attend Ryerson. It has been inactive since August but makes similar claims that white students have become minorities on campus and that the group is not racist.

Facebook does review reports of offensive group pictures and comments, but was unable to be reached for comment on the groups content in time for press.

"There is a latent ideology that is problematic," Teelucksingh said of the groups' profiles, adding that while these groups do ignore minorities' need for space, "they don't seem to be expressing any specific hate; it's more, 'what about me?'"

"It's not trying to make a statement," Coish said, adding that he doesn't plan on approaching the RSU to register a white minority group.

"This is as far as this one goes."

bezdomni
29th November 2006, 22:14
A "white-minority" doesn't exist. Minority status depends on representation and socioeconomic status, not an actual proportion.

There are tons of black people in the United States, and some areas there certainly are more blacks than whites, but there is only like....one black senator. Clearly, blacks (especially poor blacks) are not represented in the US political system - that is what makes them a minority.

Phalanx
29th November 2006, 22:45
You know, it's kind of fucking hard to plead your case of "white people are now being discriminated against," when you still control the country. Hopefully this group is forced to disband.

bcbm
29th November 2006, 23:22
Another photo showed six spoons being held over a man's head, with the caption, "Minorities need to be fed (preferably with a spoon)," which Coish says is a random picture from a party and the caption, "really has no meaning to it."

Fuck them.

More Fire for the People
29th November 2006, 23:28
There is no ‘race debate’. There are white fuckers who deserve the shit beat of them and oppressed ethnic groups and their white comrades ready to fuck them up.

Comrade Marcel
30th November 2006, 03:52
Most likely jock/frat middle-class foolishness. You can always depend on those types for something reactionary and stupid.

YSR
30th November 2006, 07:20
But he doesn't think there are cultural groups that exist for people like him, and thinks this online group is a way to humorously comment on what he thinks is an absence of white culture, and to connect those of similar minds.

That's because there is no such thing as white culture! It's an exclusion-based construction.

Fucking people.

Anton
30th November 2006, 14:19
fuck em

Dimentio
30th November 2006, 16:03
There is nothing that is so funny to joke about as to irritate people about political correctness. They want you to react in this way. When I was in college, me and my friend used to sit in the cafeteria and discuss cannibalism, nazism, torture, genocide, satanism and weapons of mass destruction. In the end, all the other people in the cafeteria pressed themselves on the other side of the wall.

MrDoom
30th November 2006, 17:18
I'd like to see how they would respond when asked to describe the finer points of this mythical "white culture".

Dimentio
30th November 2006, 18:33
Culture and race are two entirely different issues.

Guerrilla22
30th November 2006, 19:46
I can't find this group on facebook, hopefully, it was deleted by the moderators.

Comrade Marcel
30th November 2006, 20:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2006 07:46 pm
I can't find this group on facebook, hopefully, it was deleted by the moderators.
In the article it says the made the entry private, so that's probably why you can't find it.

YSR
30th November 2006, 22:38
Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2006 12:33 pm
Culture and race are two entirely different issues.
And race doesn't actually exist outside of the categories that society creates to exclude people.

I have no sympathy for these fuckers. I'm glad you can laugh at their joke "to irritate people about political correctness." As an anti-racist person, I find it supportive of the racial system and therefore totally unacceptable.

Folk The System
30th November 2006, 23:48
hmm, i certainly agree that the group is stupid and in poor taste, but i think its fairly clear there is no hate behind it, only ignorance. and the spoon fed caption was pretty assholey.

whether "white culture" exists or not i'm sure these kids have more access to it than any buddhist with a college group does. just turn on your tv to (almost) any channel, same with the radio.

Ol' Dirty
1st December 2006, 00:32
It's really feudal how there's still a race debate. Race in humans was disproven a long time ago by evolutionary and genetic scientists.

If these people want to celebrate European culture, go ahead. If they try to shove their nationalist "we're better than you" bullshit, then fuck them.

Dimentio
5th December 2006, 06:48
There exists three races. Two of them are small tribal peoples in Africa ranging from 4.000 to 50.000 individuals. Then we have the rest of humanity. Then we have DNRC.

red team
5th December 2006, 08:11
:lol: DNRC (http://adam.gerstein.net/dnrc/)

Tekun
5th December 2006, 08:31
A group like this also sprang up down here in Southern California
I think it was at UCLA or UC San Diego or USC

Anyways, its pretty obvious that groups like this are organized only to feed the ego and sense of humor of many of these priviliged idiots
I feel like theres less and less diversity in college, based not only race but also on class
And speaking as a working class student, I feel somewhat out of place in college

EwokUtopia
12th December 2006, 19:22
Its just facebook, I couldnt even count the times facebook has pissed me off with shit like this. I think they started a group about hating Muslims because theyre all terrorists or some broken logic like that. They took that down thankfully, hopefully this will be taken down as well.

Anyways, with regards to whiteness, it means nothing to me. I dont like to see myself as a colour, and I know that it is probably my white privilage to not have to see myself this way, but if I have it, I'll take it. It is everyone's right not to have to see themselves in a racial light, but unfortunately not everyone has the privalege of doing so. This is a fundamental human right that we must make reality. I dont support there being white groups, but if white people want to start Celtic or French or Polish, or even Ontarian groups, more power to them, as those groups actually exist outside of pure social constructs.

Black Dagger
13th December 2006, 08:52
I dont support there being white groups, but if white people want to start Celtic or French or Polish, or even Ontarian groups, more power to them, as those groups actually exist outside of pure social constructs.

Nationalities are just as much constructions as 'racial' identities like 'white'.

YSR
13th December 2006, 20:04
I think EwokUtopia is referring to the constructions of cultural identities. And I fully agree with that. People should be able to associate themselves with whatever type of culture they want.

Unfortunately, as EU alluded, only white people are currently able to engage in this kind of post-ethnic association. For that reason, we need to continue to undermine the concept of whiteness until everyone can enjoy this kind of free cultural exchange. "The point is not to interpret whiteness but to abolish it," say the Race Traitor people.

(Does anyone have a solid understanding of ethnogenesis? I skipped that day of my anarchist anthropology class and I wonder if that might not come into play here.)

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
13th December 2006, 20:49
Well atleast the Students can play *spot the knobhead* on campus

Apatride
14th December 2006, 16:01
Comments made by group members on the wall (bulletin) express, "Finally white power at Ryerson"; "I've been upset that I can't be part of any group/club at Ryerson…Good thing this came along,"; "This whole thing feels kind of wrong but I like it, if there can be Asian associations why can't there be a white club?"

Here's the problem; even if the guy that started the whole thing meant to have a good laugh with "inside jokes" at no one else's expense, his group is bond to attract all kind of borderline or actual racists. There is a limit to over-identification and that's what defines irony from bad taste.

I'm not opposed to people getting together to discuss and share the occidental culture but remember comedians are paid to be funny because it's not as easy as you'd think... Just ask Kramer! :P

Dr. Rosenpenis
14th December 2006, 20:25
This proves that American civil liberties leaders and politicians are total failures at "combating" racism. I use quotes here because obviously what they're doing isn't combative at all, and if anything, is supportive of racism. These dumb college kids, clearly have no clue what racism is and what discrimination is.

Morag
15th December 2006, 01:28
These guys, who are Canadian actually (I see people going on about the US, but Ryerson is a Canadian uni), remind me of the assholes who whinge about there being no 'Mens Studies' at school, or who don't understand why a women's officer or gender parity might be necessary.

Raisa
16th December 2006, 07:49
Fuck em.

If they want to have a white group let them have it....I dont feel like Im missing out on anything, do you?

Comrade_Scott
18th December 2006, 03:24
hmm white people being discriminated against eh.... most of the teachers are white.. same ges for the board of directors.... yeah i can see how they are being discriminated against :lol: hope this bullshit group is forced to break up but only before they are beaten up

Jazzratt
18th December 2006, 12:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2006 03:24 am
hope this bullshit group is forced to break up but only before they are beaten up
I'd be up for breaking it up after they get the shit kicking they so thourghouly deserve.

This is indictive of, as I'm sure some members have already pointed out, a growing - and worrying - belief in some kind of "covert prvileage" given to oppressed groups. This kind of belief is based on the fear that ruling groups have of becoming equal with the oppressed - they are used to the idea of these groups being subordinate to the point they assume that any attempts to raise people from this subordinate position is giving them undue favour, despite the fact their whole institution is based on preventing granting these people equality. Another illustration of this is the anti-immigrant hysteria that sweeps through affluent nations (France, America & Britian are but three of the most salient examples of this) whereby any help granted to an immigrant is seen as giving them "something for nothing" and if they DARE to get a fucking job, well they've obviously STOLEN it from some white motherfucker.

In conclusion:
Fuck this group, kick their heads in and so on, but they are simply the outside of a system rotten to the fucking core.

PRC-UTE
31st December 2006, 00:59
They should be purged from the uni. Not for the fascist content of their politics, but for their insufferable whining.

*edited for spelling errors