We're all Jesus' children

[tecumseh]

The same observations would apply to Jesus, although we'll never know if he really had children. But let's assume that he did, and that he also had a lower than average number of descendants — say 500 in the year AD 250. Where would they have lived? Those centuries were a time of great ferment in the Roman Empire. Although most of Jesus' descendants probably would have lived in the Middle East, at least a few would have moved as far away as modern-day Italy and central Asia (whether as soldiers, traders or slaves).

Many of these individuals also would have had 500 to 1,000 descendants 250 years later. And these tens of thousands of descendants of Jesus likely would have been scattered along trade routes from western Europe to southern Africa to eastern Asia. After another 250 years, Jesus would have had millions of descendants. Repeat that cycle five more times and the whole world begins to fill up with descendants of Jesus.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/o...la-news-comment (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-olson19may19,1,660304.story?coll=la-news-comment)

[Delta]

Great, I always thought of myself as part god.

[Black Dagger]

That's great except for that fact that the existance of 'jesus' cannot be substantiated, and further, the majority of (all?) christian denominations state that 'jesus' never had any children...

[uber-liberal]

All this info according to the Bible. You know, that lie-infested book you detest.

If it's all lies, then it's all lies: you can't pick and choose from that stance without hypocracy. Historically it's an important book. Religiously it's outlived it's usefullness. Did Jesus exist? Probably. Was he the "Son of God"? No more than you or me. Is his message WAAAY over-emphasized? You bet.

[freakazoid]

Jesus most certainly existed, even if you don't believe in God how can anyone say that he didn't?

[( R )evolution]

I personally believe he exitsed. Son of god..... I rather not.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2006 02:30 pm
Jesus most certainly existed, even if you don't believe in God how can anyone say that he didn't?
Because of a lack of historical documentation? It's hard to substantiate the existance of MOST people from 2000 years ago, 'jesus' is not special in this regard - the so-called 'historical record' is sparse with details on essentially anyone who wasnt a powerful man, and for 'ancient' history this even moreso the case.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by Black Dagger+November 29, 2006 09:43 am--> (Black Dagger @ November 29, 2006 09:43 am)
[email protected] 29, 2006 02:30 pm
Jesus most certainly existed, even if you don't believe in God how can anyone say that he didn't?
Because of a lack of historical documentation? It's hard to substantiate the existance of MOST people from 2000 years ago, 'jesus' is not special in this regard - the so-called 'historical record' is sparse with details on essentially anyone who wasnt a powerful man, and for 'ancient' history this even moreso the case. [/b]
It's generally accepted among philosophical scholars and historians that Jesus existed. There is however, a serious if yet small argument against his existence. I forget the name of the guy who strongly argues against his existence, i'll have to look it up.

[freakazoid]

Because of a lack of historical documentation? It's hard to substantiate the existance of MOST people from 2000 years ago, 'jesus' is not special in this regard - the so-called 'historical record' is sparse with details on essentially anyone who wasnt a powerful man, and for 'ancient' history this even moreso the case.

!? there is much documentation. Sparse with details, how about using his own name when they reference him? Later I will post this evidence that I speak of.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

there were likely many people called jesus around that era, just like lots of people have the same name now.

there were also lots of nutball religious types then too. So, there were probably lots of jesus' who preached.

Saul of tarsus, the guy who made christianity popular, didnt believe jesus ever even came to planet earth!!!

good old supstition, gotta love the coherence.

[gilhyle]

Of course, there is Bruno Bauer, Marx's once close friend who argued against the existence of Jesus in great detail.

THere is a guy, Norwegian or Swede, who wrote a book in the 1990s arguing Jesus did not exist - Ive got it but I cant find it to post the reference. All I found was THe Messiah Myth By Thomas THompson who doesnt argue against the existence of Jesus but who does show that most of the supposedly unique and unusual stories about his life from the Gospels are actually versions of older myths from the middle East, Egypt, Israel Babylon which were commonplace

Weren't his parents terribly perspicacious to call him Jesus, or Jeshua or whatever it is - which I understand means saviour ?

[t_wolves_fan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2006 05:25 am
Great, I always thought of myself as part god.
:lol:

[MrDoom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2006 06:58 pm
Later I will post this evidence that I speak of.
You never seem to get around to posting the proof that you say you are going to.

[Delta]

I personally highly doubt that Jesus existed. Until 50 years after his death no one wrote about him at all, pretty strange for someone who was supposed to be so special.

[Pirate Utopian]

jesus made 6 billion kids?, and the vatican wants to ban condoms!

[uber-liberal]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2006 05:50 pm
I personally highly doubt that Jesus existed. Until 50 years after his death no one wrote about him at all, pretty strange for someone who was supposed to be so special.
It was illegal to do so. And, what's more, just because we can't find anything from that period doesn't meen it didn't happen.
Case in point: the Judas Gospel. Until the 1970's, no one had seen a copy of it. It was only refered to in ancient Roman Chuch texts when the bible's New Testamnet had yet to be compiled and agreed upon. The Gnostic sects of christianity, including the Judasites (for lack of a better term), were almost completely irradicated from the world. It wasn't until a couple of farmers in Egypt started digging under the floor boards in their hovel that they found the almost disintegrating papyrus. It was authenticated through carbon dating of the papyrus and leather binding, spectroanalysis of the ink to determine the recipe and the fact that it was written in Coptic, an Egypitan language using Greek letters. It's almost completely translated into Spanish, Italian and English now.