RunningAway

[Sir_No_Sir]

I've been thinking lately and there is no way i can stand this rat race anymore. I hate school, and its gonna be 2 years before i can drop out. So I'm leaving within the next year or two. I've decided on a partial list of items to bring Backpack(to hold stuff)
500 dollars or so(still not sure how ill get this)
camera
laptop(to keep in touch with whats going on in the world, and to save room on my camera
pnecil,pens,notebook(s)
clothes on my back plus one extra change
a plan
and some people willing to help me for a night or two
a cell phone (not sure on it though)
and last,but not least, some sort of music player, idc if its cds or an mp3 player
I live about 20-30 miles southwest of chicago, so ill figure ill either Hop on a train, hitchhike up, or have someone i know whos in on it drive me up to midway
Then I'm gonna take a flight from Midway to either NYC or Philly,whichever is cheaper
And ill hitchhike from NYC to philly, or from philly to NYC
(this is because I want to see both of these cities alot)
and then ill fly from one of the two cities, into london...and finally begin to live



I want to know if you guys ever did anything liek this, and if you did, how sucessful were you? And if anyone who hasnt done this can give me suggestions, thats fine too.

Thanks :)


p.s. if you live in philly,NYC,chicago, or london and wouldnt mind helpin a comrade out..tell me

[Whitten]

What are you planning to do to survive once you get to London?

[Sir_No_Sir]

I'll have to figure something out,but starving is better then boring.

[Whitten]

Think things through and dont be impulsinve. Theres nothing wroing with trying to start a new life, but make sure it actually is a life first, k?

[Sir_No_Sir]

Well
I'm shitbroke right now
And I have no real good plan right now
so theres no way itll happen til next august, at the earliest.
Maybe I could fly into NYC on 9/10 and attend 9/11 truth things.

[Sir_No_Sir]

this (http://stealthiswiki.nine9pages.com/index.php?title=Main_Page) definitely helps..thanks to whoever found it=)

[which doctor]

Why not just go straight to downtown Chicago? Hook up with some crusties, they will show you how to live for cheap.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Thats a good idea. The only downside is my older brother lives downtown, and if he ever saw me, then I'd be caught, and dead. Like grounded for a year or two from absolutely everything I take any pleasure in.

P.S:what are crusties-sorry im new to al this stuff

[Comrade Marcel]

First of all, how are you planning to go to London (I assume you mean England) to live if youy are a minor? Do you even have a passport? How are you going to get a visa and what are you going to tell British immigration?

If you are planning to be living on the street for awhile you should head somewhere warm rather than cold.

If you are going to a different country, why go to one of the most exspensive cities to live in in the world?

Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

I don't like Israel for obvious reasons, but what about going to live on a Kibbutz, atleast for awhile?

You should definately bring more than one change of clothes; and consider carrying some kind of weapon when traveling around ameriKa alone.

As for cellphone, get a pay-as-you-go for obvious reasons.

And it would be smart to find someone to stay with in whatever city you go to rather than just seeing what happens when you get there, or atleast find a shelter. Sleeping on the street would suck ass. But if you do, under a bridge might be a smart choice and you should definately have a sleeping bag.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

That sounds like a really bad idea but if you make it to New York hit me up.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 26, 2006 10:55 pm
First of all, how are you planning to go to London (I assume you mean England) to live if youy are a minor? Do you even have a passport? How are you going to get a visa and what are you going to tell British immigration?

If you are planning to be living on the street for awhile you should head somewhere warm rather than cold.

If you are going to a different country, why go to one of the most exspensive cities to live in in the world?

Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

I don't like Israel for obvious reasons, but what about going to live on a Kibbutz, atleast for awhile?

You should definately bring more than one change of clothes; and consider carrying some kind of weapon when traveling around ameriKa alone.

As for cellphone, get a pay-as-you-go for obvious reasons.

And it would be smart to find someone to stay with in whatever city you go to rather than just seeing what happens when you get there, or atleast find a shelter. Sleeping on the street would suck ass. But if you do, under a bridge might be a smart choice and you should definately have a sleeping bag.

First of all, how are you planning to go to London (I assume you mean England) to live if youy are a minor? Do you even have a passport? How are you going to get a visa and what are you going to tell British immigration?

If you are planning to be living on the street for awhile you should head somewhere warm rather than cold.

If you are going to a different country, why go to one of the most exspensive cities to live in in the world?

Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?
I don't like Israel for obvious reasons, but what about going to live on a Kibbutz, atleast for awhile?

You should definately bring more than one change of clothes; and consider carrying some kind of weapon when traveling around ameriKa alone.

As for cellphone, get a pay-as-you-go for obvious reasons.

And it would be smart to find someone to stay with in whatever city you go to rather than just seeing what happens when you get there, or atleast find a shelter. Sleeping on the street would suck ass. But if you do, under a bridge might be a smart choice and you should definately have a sleeping bag.

1.)I just thought about that. I'm staying in the US now
2.)The Cold isnt that big of a deal for me.
3.)I'm not going to a different country. So actually, scratch that.
4.)A.)No way in hell I'm going to China.
B.)Cuba is a candidate
C.)?
D.)I'm not traveling across the pond for sure. Not enough $$
5.)I'm not going to Israel, fo sho.
6.)I think im getting one soon, and it will be pay as you go
7.)thats what im thinking about doing, is finding someone or somewhere to lemme sleep in...but i dont want a permanent residence




That sounds like a really bad idea but if you make it to New York hit me up.

Lol, thanks man, I'll keep it in mind. A one way to NYC is only 50$

[KappaDelta]

First off- Stop being a pushover. What's the point in living if you can't feel alive, right?
If your brother sees you and is unsympathetic, beat it. Don't let him drive you home for an ass kicking. If he wants to wrestle you to the ground in the middle of downtown Chicago, scream your head off about being mugged, get his ass pulled off of you, and then beat it.
Second off- Don't fly. Jump trains and boats. You won't get very far with five hundred bucks flying everywhere you can get to on this horizontal plane easily enough.
Third off- Have you ever thought of coming westward in the US? It's a helluva lot easier to live off the fat of the land in California than New York. Better to steal oranges and hunt deer than panhandle from the Bourgeoisie... unless you're into that kind of thing.
London and Europe have their great squatter camps leading the Bohemian lifestyle, and that's definitely a rarer commodity in the US, so it might be more prudent to go to Europe, but you should check into it quite a bit more.
Fourth and finally- How old are you? Sixteen? My seventeenth birthday is today, so I can sympathize with the drive to get out, but you've got to be sure that you have the skills, or can pick them up. In all honesty, the first time you grab a six pack of beer from a Circle K and run out the door, you're more likely to be caught than robbing that same store at gunpoint in a ski mask. Don't go for the petty stuff; stealing chump change won't keep you alive and healthy for long. Find a place you can hole up and stay for long periods of time. In Fresno, for example there is a giant derelict building that anyone can stay in, right next to the bohemian Tower District, at the outskirts of the Downtown sector, called the Hotel Fresno. Given, you've got to leap a rickety chain link fence and climb a bit to get to the entrance, but it's still a place to stay. If you hit up a town, find one of these safe havens ASAP.
That's all that comes to mind at the moment.

[which doctor]

Also, if your parents report you missing don't plan on flying anywhere because they will run your name and you will be detained at the airport.

[Fawkes]

I forgot where I read it but on some trans-Atlantic cargo ships, if you work as crew, you get a free ride. NYC would be a good place to find out about this.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Freedom for [email protected] 26, 2006 11:17 pm
I forgot where I read it but on some trans-Atlantic cargo ships, if you work as crew, you get a free ride. NYC would be a good place to find out about this.

I forgot where I read it but on some trans-Atlantic cargo ships, if you work as crew, you get a free ride. NYC would be a good place to find out about this.

If you find that, tell me..please.



First off- Stop being a pushover. What's the point in living if you can't feel alive, right?
If your brother sees you and is unsympathetic, beat it. Don't let him drive you home for an ass kicking. If he wants to wrestle you to the ground in the middle of downtown Chicago, scream your head off about being mugged, get his ass pulled off of you, and then beat it.
Second off- Don't fly. Jump trains and boats. You won't get very far with five hundred bucks flying everywhere you can get to on this horizontal plane easily enough.
Third off- Have you ever thought of coming westward in the US? It's a helluva lot easier to live off the fat of the land in California than New York. Better to steal oranges and hunt deer than panhandle from the Bourgeoisie... unless you're into that kind of thing.
London and Europe have their great squatter camps leading the Bohemian lifestyle, and that's definitely a rarer commodity in the US, so it might be more prudent to go to Europe, but you should check into it quite a bit more.
Fourth and finally- How old are you? Sixteen? My seventeenth birthday is today, so I can sympathize with the drive to get out, but you've got to be sure that you have the skills, or can pick them up. In all honesty, the first time you grab a six pack of beer from a Circle K and run out the door, you're more likely to be caught than robbing that same store at gunpoint in a ski mask. Don't go for the petty stuff; stealing chump change won't keep you alive and healthy for long. Find a place you can hole up and stay for long periods of time. In Fresno, for example there is a giant derelict building that anyone can stay in, right next to the bohemian Tower District, at the outskirts of the Downtown sector, called the Hotel Fresno. Given, you've got to leap a rickety chain link fence and climb a bit to get to the entrance, but it's still a place to stay. If you hit up a town, find one of these safe havens ASAP.
That's all that comes to mind at the moment.

2.) I'm willing to get anywhere, anyway i can. I honestly dont care how i get there, hitchhiking,busses,trains,planes,boats, whatever.
3.)I'm not quite set as to where I'm gonna go
4.)I'm 14. I'll turn 15 in April..and honestly, id rather not have the skills there then have the "skills"to bore to death.
5.)THANKS for the tip of the thing in fresno...ill look into stuff like that in every city ill be in.

[Organic Revolution]

im from chicago, know a place you can stay for a while... pm me.

[MrDoom]

Think this through.


Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

Who the fuck would defect to the DPRK?

[anarchista feminista]

try this... =) (http://crimethinc.com/downloads/source/dropping_out.pdf)

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2006 07:45 pm
Think this through.


Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

Who the fuck would defect to the DPRK?
Honestly.

I wouldn't recommend travelling to an island at first (ex. England) because you're somewhat trapped, or at least it's kind of hard to get off. I recommend first travelling to somewhere in Eurasica because you can get to nearly anywhere by train/hitch-hiking/walking.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Freedom for all...ALL+November 27, 2006 01:48 am--> (Freedom for all...ALL @ November 27, 2006 01:48 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2006 07:45 pm
Think this through.


Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

Who the fuck would defect to the DPRK?
Honestly.

I wouldn't recommend travelling to an island at first (ex. England) because you're somewhat trapped, or at least it's kind of hard to get off. I recommend first travelling to somewhere in Eurasica because you can get to nearly anywhere by train/hitch-hiking/walking. [/b]


[email protected] 26, 2006 07:45 pm
Think this through.


Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

Who the fuck would defect to the DPRK?
Honestly.

I wouldn't recommend travelling to an island at first (ex. England) because you're somewhat trapped, or at least it's kind of hard to get off. I recommend first travelling to somewhere in Eurasica because you can get to nearly anywhere by train/hitch-hiking/walking.

Haha I just realized what he meant-are you on crack dude? Who the hell would go to DPRK?

And I doubt i'm gonna get outta the country, but I may get into Canada, take up a permanent residence somewhere, and just get a passport so i can travel the world.

[MrDoom]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+November 27, 2006 02:08 am--> (Sir_No_Sir @ November 27, 2006 02:08 am)
Originally posted by Freedom for [email protected] 27, 2006 01:48 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2006 07:45 pm
Think this through.


Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

Who the fuck would defect to the DPRK?
Honestly.

I wouldn't recommend travelling to an island at first (ex. England) because you're somewhat trapped, or at least it's kind of hard to get off. I recommend first travelling to somewhere in Eurasica because you can get to nearly anywhere by train/hitch-hiking/walking.


[email protected] 26, 2006 07:45 pm
Think this through.


Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

Who the fuck would defect to the DPRK?
Honestly.

I wouldn't recommend travelling to an island at first (ex. England) because you're somewhat trapped, or at least it's kind of hard to get off. I recommend first travelling to somewhere in Eurasica because you can get to nearly anywhere by train/hitch-hiking/walking.

Haha I just realized what he meant-are you on crack dude? Who the hell would go to DPRK?

And I doubt i'm gonna get outta the country, but I may get into Canada, take up a permanent residence somewhere, and just get a passport so i can travel the world. [/b]
Precisely. "Think this through" was directed at you, as this is a pretty major life decision.

And really, who WOULD want to go to the DPRK?

"Wow, a brutal Stalinist dictatorship; my drop-out paradise!" *gets face bashed in by Kim Jong Il* "Just what I always wanted! Thanks, old pal!"

:rolleyes:

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 12:56 am
try this... =) (http://crimethinc.com/downloads/source/dropping_out.pdf)

try this... =) (http://crimethinc.com/downloads/source/dropping_out.pdf)

By far the most helpful thing anyones shown me so far:)

[Red October]

maybe consider coming down south. its not that bad if you stay in the cities, and i know a place that you can crash at if you ever end up in raleigh, NC. like other people said, look for squating places, but also try to find communes and parks. the collectives are great places to stay.

[which doctor]

Go to New Orleans. Lot's of empty buildings, a squatting scene, and an anarchist bookstore.

[Comrade Marcel]

Gee, who would want to live somewhere with free housing / health care? Yeah, ameriKKKa is better because imperialists have $$$$$$$.

[RNK]

Perhaps you could hook up with the Native Youth Movement. They're all about living off the land, leading self-sufficient lives, etc.

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+November 27, 2006 12:35 pm--> (Sir_No_Sir @ November 27, 2006 12:35 pm)
[email protected] 27, 2006 12:56 am
try this... =) (http://crimethinc.com/downloads/source/dropping_out.pdf)

try this... =) (http://crimethinc.com/downloads/source/dropping_out.pdf)

By far the most helpful thing anyones shown me so far:) [/b]
I thought as much :) glad it helped. I have dreams too. I'm going to stick through my final senior year of school but that zine has helped me to realise how to make my dreams come true. I'm learning how to get on with my parents so I know how to make them listen to me and understand why I am doing what I want to do and it's helping me listen to them. If your parents aren't happy with your decision and you have discussed it in the most civil way possible then I guess that's when you can move on. For now, what keeps me going is looking forward to the best possible life. I look forward to travel, adventures, meeting new people and learning from my experiences. Best of luck with it all. I'd love to hear how you go.

[bezdomni]

"Living off the land" is the direct result of imperialism, which is why its so easy in imperialist countries and so hard (if not impossible) in third world countries.

Why are we encouraging this kid to be a lumpenprole lifestylist?

Run away from home, move to a new city...fine, but you're gonna have to live somehow. If you don't like being exploited and alienated in production, work to overthrow capitalism, don't just drop out of the system.

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 03:08 pm
"Living off the land" is the direct result of imperialism, which is why its so easy in imperialist countries and so hard (if not impossible) in third world countries.

Why are we encouraging this kid to be a lumpenprole lifestylist?

Run away from home, move to a new city...fine, but you're gonna have to live somehow. If you don't like being exploited and alienated in production, work to overthrow capitalism, don't just drop out of the system.
yeah I have to agree. I don't really like primivitism so I will try to avoid that. How can we revolutionise with everyone isolated in the forest? Fair enough I think for anarchist communities it works best in... communities. But there is a point where it can be taken to far.

[RNK]

The inability to "live off the land" is the real result of imperialism. Africa did it for millenia before colonialism, and the Natives did it for millenia before colonization.

[An archist]

You can learn a lot on the internet, but the first thing you'll need to do is get in touch with people who know what they're talking about (like crusties).
Just go to Chicago and find an alternative pub/club or a squat, you'll probably meet people there willing to help you out. And take some sort of pockteknife/leatherman.

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 27, 2006 07:54 pm
You can learn a lot on the internet, but the first thing you'll need to do is get in touch with people who know what they're talking about (like crusties).
Just go to Chicago and find an alternative pub/club or a squat, you'll probably meet people there willing to help you out. And take some sort of pockteknife/leatherman.
Yeah always be careful. Before you make any decisions meet some people and build relationships first. It will be much more helpful.

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by SovietPants
Why are we encouraging this kid to be a lumpenprole lifestylist?

Run away from home, move to a new city...fine, but you're gonna have to live somehow. If you don't like being exploited and alienated in production, work to overthrow capitalism, don't just drop out of the system.I love you Leninists ... (slash non-autonomous Marxists). I see nothing wrong with dropping out of a shitting system and non contributing to its up keep. You can dropout and still work towards the revolution. You don't actually have to be a prol. to be a revolutionary.


I met someone in Melbourne when I was there recently, she is 17 turning 18. She dropped out of school a couple (or more) years ago, and got a job. Now she does not have a job, and doesn't really have that many skills to enable her to get a good job (outside of retail). (Actually I could be completely wrong about her situation, but my next point stands anyway.) So ...

The main thing about dropping out, make sure you continue to educate yourself. Libraries are free, read as much about what interests you as possible. If you don't have any interests, get some. Learn about electricity, about plumbing, about mechanics. Learn revolutionary theory, learn to debate. Sit in on university classes. Education can be free and good, I say take it.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 12:56 am
try this... =) (http://crimethinc.com/downloads/source/dropping_out.pdf)
Yes, if you want to spend your days dumpster diving and eating leftover pizza crust, definitely follow this article!

This is the real shit:

http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/

Apparently, it's quite possible to be homeless while eating good meals, rather than losing half your weight because you only eat pizza crust.

[Whitten]

Its impossible to drop out of teh system and get a better lifestyle than you would as a worker. The system is designed that way.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 02:47 pm
Its impossible to drop out of teh system and get a better lifestyle than you would as a worker. The system is designed that way.

Its impossible to drop out of teh system and get a better lifestyle than you would as a worker. The system is designed that way.

Thats what I take issue with most-is people who think that having more money,better food, and bigger shelter is somehow a better lifestyle. Nothing personal like against you, I just vigourously disagree on that point.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by An [email protected] 27, 2006 09:54 am
You can learn a lot on the internet, but the first thing you'll need to do is get in touch with people who know what they're talking about (like crusties).
Just go to Chicago and find an alternative pub/club or a squat, you'll probably meet people there willing to help you out. And take some sort of pockteknife/leatherman.
dude
what are crusties?
if someone could tell me, thatd rock

[bezdomni]

what are crusties?
if someone could tell me, thatd rock
It's a synonym for hippies.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 05:16 pm

what are crusties?
if someone could tell me, thatd rock
It's a synonym for hippies.
No, not really.

Crusties tend to be anarcho-punk kids who live in the city and have unstable living conditions and often no job.

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by FoB+November 28, 2006 09:52 am--> (FoB @ November 28, 2006 09:52 am)
[email protected] 27, 2006 05:16 pm

what are crusties?
if someone could tell me, thatd rock
It's a synonym for hippies.
No, not really.

Crusties tend to be anarcho-punk kids who live in the city and have unstable living conditions and often no job. [/b]
yeah i think it's slightly hippy influenced. the whole easy-going and natural lifestyle. alot of crusties that i know have dreads. then again, alot don't. they are often involved with diy culture eg making their own clothes, dumpstering. many that i know play and write music. a pretty strong anarchist lifestyle ethic.

[Comrade Marcel]

Crusties have no hippy origins nor are the necessarily political, though many call themselves Anarchist most of them have shit for conciousness, have zero background or logic in any political theories, and couldn't hold a shotglass worth of water in any political debates, and the ones that do are usually closer to primitivists then any sort of scientifical form of stateless socialism / anarcho-communism / whatever...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusties

At least that's how it seems now. Back in the 80s and maybe early 90s they were probably cooler

[Wanted Man]

Well, that makes sense. I always thought that the term came from their dietary habits. :D

[Rollo]

I figured it came from the fact that if they stand still for a while a layer of crust will build up on them, like old doughnuts.

[ahab]

i travelled around for about a year by myself and let me tell you it sucked lol, now i met cool people and did a lot of cool stuff but i was lonely, if your gonna bounce, try to get someone to come with you, or go with them, its safer and would be quite more enjoyable. Or why not get a job and save up for a while and by a bus and just get a bunch of your friends and mob around, i dont kno how practical that is but i've always wanted to do that lol. My advice, get a hiking back pack, a sleeping bag and warm clothes, other than that ur fine, food is easy to get a hold of, especially the younger you are, there really are squats all over, washington, utah, montana, nevada, i stuck to the west so i dont kno about the east but i imagine its the same, crimethInc is a great source of info for running off, you kno what if you made it to utah i'd go travel with you cuz like i said it was fun but lonely.

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2006 02:00 am
I figured it came from the fact that if they stand still for a while a layer of crust will build up on them, like old doughnuts.
lmfao

[An archist]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 28, 2006 01:11 am
Crusties have no hippy origins nor are the necessarily political, though many call themselves Anarchist most of them have shit for conciousness, have zero background or logic in any political theories, and couldn't hold a shotglass worth of water in any political debates, and the ones that do are usually closer to primitivists then any sort of scientifical form of stateless socialism / anarcho-communism / whatever...

that's generally true, but if you wanna learn about surviving without a job, running away, stuff like that, they're the the people to talk to.
(again, mostly found in squats)

[Comrade Marcel]

I used to hang around with crusty punks all the time when I was 9-11 years old, as I grew up in an area where they all hung out. Most of them eventually grew out of being cursty.

[propertyistheft]

If you want to run away, the south is generally better. There is more open space for squatting without being evicted, warm weather. Because in the north I have was actually frozen to the ground once when i went to sleep. Also I think that their is a major anarchist bookstore somewhere in north carolina. I went to california.

[Fawkes]

^^ Yeah, or stay in Northern areas in the summer and Southern ones in the Winter.

[Red October]

i live in north carolina. i dont know of an anarchist bookstore per se, but there is a big one in asheville that has tons of leftist books. if you end up here, go to asheville or raleigh, but im sure you could find more help, crusties, and leftists out in asheville.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Freedom for [email protected] 28, 2006 10:44 pm
^^ Yeah, or stay in Northern areas in the summer and Southern ones in the Winter.
thats definitely what i was trying to do

i live in north carolina. i dont know of an anarchist bookstore per se, but there is a big one in asheville that has tons of leftist books. if you end up here, go to asheville or raleigh, but im sure you could find more help, crusties, and leftists out in asheville.

i might have to go to both..i honestly dont plan to cover tons of ground in a day...

And i wanna go to North Carolina, because i went there w/ my family before to the outer banks


it was amazing and id go back in a heartbeat.



f you want to run away, the south is generally better. There is more open space for squatting without being evicted, warm weather. Because in the north I have was actually frozen to the ground once when i went to sleep. Also I think that their is a major anarchist bookstore somewhere in north carolina. I went to california.

Ill definitely look for an anarchist bookstore while there...but then again i wont have much money...or space,really.

[Demogorgon]

People encouraging this sort of behaviour should be ashamed of themselves. Running away won't achieve anything, all it will do is put you in a lot of personal danger and cause you problems further down the line.

Two years is not such a lng time to wait until you can leave school and in that time you may decide you want more education, or alternatively have thought through what you want to do instead. Something that will hopefully be far more productive than some half baked plan about running away.

And as I say, the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Encouraging a fourteen year old to do something extremely unwise is deeply irresponsible.

[Rollo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2006 04:06 pm
People encouraging this sort of behaviour should be ashamed of themselves. Running away won't achieve anything, all it will do is put you in a lot of personal danger and cause you problems further down the line.

Two years is not such a lng time to wait until you can leave school and in that time you may decide you want more education, or alternatively have thought through what you want to do instead. Something that will hopefully be far more productive than some half baked plan about running away.

And as I say, the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Encouraging a fourteen year old to do something extremely unwise is deeply irresponsible.
Just because you were a weener 14 year old doesn't mean everybody else is.

You should be ashamed for making peoples decisions for them.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2006 06:06 am
People encouraging this sort of behaviour should be ashamed of themselves. Running away won't achieve anything, all it will do is put you in a lot of personal danger and cause you problems further down the line.

Two years is not such a lng time to wait until you can leave school and in that time you may decide you want more education, or alternatively have thought through what you want to do instead. Something that will hopefully be far more productive than some half baked plan about running away.

And as I say, the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Encouraging a fourteen year old to do something extremely unwise is deeply irresponsible.
Living somewhere and going somewhere that treats you like a prisoner everyday, I'd say, is deeply reprehensible.

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by [email protected]mber 29, 2006 11:38 am
Living somewhere and going somewhere that treats you like a prisoner everyday, I'd say, is deeply reprehensible.
We have all been there and we all come out th other end. It isn't any fun, but barring suicide. Running away is the absolute worst decision you can take.

[dannie]

your wrong, not all come out the other end!

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2006 06:06 am
People encouraging this sort of behaviour should be ashamed of themselves. Running away won't achieve anything, all it will do is put you in a lot of personal danger and cause you problems further down the line.

Two years is not such a lng time to wait until you can leave school and in that time you may decide you want more education, or alternatively have thought through what you want to do instead. Something that will hopefully be far more productive than some half baked plan about running away.

And as I say, the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Encouraging a fourteen year old to do something extremely unwise is deeply irresponsible.
Well, if it's "encouragement", it doesn't really affect SNS much, seeing as he asked for tips and experiences. I just hope that he pays more attention to this (http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/) rather than CrustThink. Especially the "message to teens" is priceless for people who don't have the luxury of having dozens of buddies to let them crash in their houses.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Matthijs+November 29, 2006 01:56 pm--> (Matthijs @ November 29, 2006 01:56 pm)
[email protected] 29, 2006 06:06 am
People encouraging this sort of behaviour should be ashamed of themselves. Running away won't achieve anything, all it will do is put you in a lot of personal danger and cause you problems further down the line.

Two years is not such a lng time to wait until you can leave school and in that time you may decide you want more education, or alternatively have thought through what you want to do instead. Something that will hopefully be far more productive than some half baked plan about running away.

And as I say, the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Encouraging a fourteen year old to do something extremely unwise is deeply irresponsible.
Well, if it's "encouragement", it doesn't really affect SNS much, seeing as he asked for tips and experiences. I just hope that he pays more attention to this (http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/) rather than CrustThink. Especially the "message to teens" is priceless for people who don't have the luxury of having dozens of buddies to let them crash in their houses. [/b]
Basically. Yeah. I definitely didnt ask for advice. BUT. I'm definitely glad to see people who actually care if i survive or not lol. I mean, I understand where he comes from. I just disagree, because, with a little bit of planning, this could turn out okay for me. Not great, but okay, material wise, and better then what I have now- a shell of a life, like everyone else in the burbs.

[Red October]

what's the drain-o for?

[Organic Revolution]

Do not talk about weapons in this forum.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 29, 2006 10:13 pm
Do not talk about weapons in this forum.
Thanks.


P.S.:I am not going to carry fucking weapons around. Thats the stupidest reccomendation I have ever heard. The only acceptable one would be a small pocket knife.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+November 29, 2006 05:42 pm--> (Sir_No_Sir @ November 29, 2006 05:42 pm)
Organic [email protected] 29, 2006 10:13 pm
Do not talk about weapons in this forum.
Thanks.


P.S.:I am not going to carry fucking weapons around. Thats the stupidest reccomendation I have ever heard. The only acceptable one would be a small pocket knife. [/b]
good idea. if cops catch you running away from home with a molotov or other explosives, you're fucked.

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by Red October 1922+November 29, 2006 10:45 pm--> (Red October 1922 @ November 29, 2006 10:45 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2006 05:42 pm

Organic [email protected] 29, 2006 10:13 pm
Do not talk about weapons in this forum.
Thanks.


P.S.:I am not going to carry fucking weapons around. Thats the stupidest reccomendation I have ever heard. The only acceptable one would be a small pocket knife.
good idea. if cops catch you running away from home with a molotov or other explosives, you're fucked. [/b]
Like who the fuck is going to carry around a Molotov? How often are you walking down the street and your comrade goes "Man, I really hate the billboard. I wish I had a molotov." and you go "Oh, but I do."? :P

Or, WTF good is a molotov going to be for self-defense? Your going to ask your attacker to stop, stand still, back up, and wait for you to light it?

Don't be afraid to carry legal weapons. Get a small pocket knife. Or wear a knife on the outside so it isn't concealed, and if the pigs ask don't say it's for self-defense or that it's a weapon, say it's a tool for cutting food and other things.

Carry bear/dog spray, and say you are afraid of dogs if the cops find it. They can't say it's a weapon unless you actually use it on someone, and in that case it is worth getting charged rather than beaten to death.

Also, some states allow stun guns or even tasers. You also might be able to carry a gun with proper permits. Look into it, because it could be useful.

:ph34r:

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by An archist+November 28, 2006 03:16 pm--> (An archist @ November 28, 2006 03:16 pm)
Comrade [email protected] 28, 2006 01:11 am
Crusties have no hippy origins nor are the necessarily political, though many call themselves Anarchist most of them have shit for conciousness, have zero background or logic in any political theories, and couldn't hold a shotglass worth of water in any political debates, and the ones that do are usually closer to primitivists then any sort of scientifical form of stateless socialism / anarcho-communism / whatever...

that's generally true, but if you wanna learn about surviving without a job, running away, stuff like that, they're the the people to talk to.
(again, mostly found in squats) [/b]
Persynally I would rather try to mooch off the government as much as possible, but I guess in the posters case it's not possible. But I seen a lot of these kids come down in the summer, and when it gets cold they can't take it. I realize that means they might have to go back to fucked up situations (even if they are middle-class/petty-bourgeois they could be coming from abuse, etc.) and it sucks for them to go back. Which is why I think a long term plan is better. Eventually you are going to want to have an apartment, a bathroom, shower with warm water, privacy, a decent meal, etc.

When you do have at least a reasonable amounth of stability (most working class people are two pay cheques away from the street anyways) you can also participate in revolutionary change with more effectiveness.

[Zero]

Dude, it sounds like you come from a white middle class suburban neighborhood, just like about 75% of the other kids in the USA. Keep your head down and maintain untill you get your diploma.

To do even the most megre job to earn the most megre wages you will need your diploma. Though if you like to run around jumping in dumpsters and eating the pizza crust that landed inside a diaper bag go ahead.

Exposing yourself to disease, becoming a Lumpenproletariat, and living on the street doesn't sound like any sort of life worth a fuck to me. Get a part-timer at least so you don't end up living under a fucking bridge.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2006 07:10 am
Dude, it sounds like you come from a white middle class suburban neighborhood, just like about 75% of the other kids in the USA. Keep your head down and maintain untill you get your diploma.

To do even the most megre job to earn the most megre wages you will need your diploma. Though if you like to run around jumping in dumpsters and eating the pizza crust that landed inside a diaper bag go ahead.

Exposing yourself to disease, becoming a Lumpenproletariat, and living on the street doesn't sound like any sort of life worth a fuck to me. Get a part-timer at least so you don't end up living under a fucking bridge.
Eh. Its definitely middle class, but the town isnt white at all. Irs definitey not like alot of suburbs or as rich as the stereotypical suburb. We have a giant high school, but its shitty as hell.



I'm not leaving for material wealth. I know that there will be a vast dropoff, and I'm ready for it.

[Red October]

Also, some states allow stun guns or even tasers. You also might be able to carry a gun with proper permits. Look into it, because it could be useful.

i think a stun gun requires some sort of documentation and minimum age, and guns certainly do. if you're 14 and running away from home you cant have that sort of paper trail even if you could get a gun.

[dannie]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+November 30, 2006 12:42 am--> (Sir_No_Sir @ November 30, 2006 12:42 am)
Organic [email protected] 29, 2006 10:13 pm
Do not talk about weapons in this forum.
Thanks.


P.S.:I am not going to carry fucking weapons around. Thats the stupidest reccomendation I have ever heard. The only acceptable one would be a small pocket knife. [/b]
I would advise you to buy a leatherman type tool, since you are middle class, it shouldn't be too difficult (steal money from someone). These are not essential but incredibly handy. I would go for a real leatherman, you won't be able to break it, those things are great, expensive tough. If you think you really need a weapon, get yourself a knife wich is easy to stab with, don't go to big, you don't need to be rambo, you just gotta be able to defend yourself.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2006 09:33 pm
I've been thinking lately and there is no way i can stand this rat race anymore. I hate school, and its gonna be 2 years before i can drop out. So I'm leaving within the next year or two. I've decided on a partial list of items to bring Backpack(to hold stuff)
500 dollars or so(still not sure how ill get this)
camera
laptop(to keep in touch with whats going on in the world, and to save room on my camera
pnecil,pens,notebook(s)
clothes on my back plus one extra change
a plan
and some people willing to help me for a night or two
a cell phone (not sure on it though)
and last,but not least, some sort of music player, idc if its cds or an mp3 player
I live about 20-30 miles southwest of chicago, so ill figure ill either Hop on a train, hitchhike up, or have someone i know whos in on it drive me up to midway
Then I'm gonna take a flight from Midway to either NYC or Philly,whichever is cheaper
And ill hitchhike from NYC to philly, or from philly to NYC
(this is because I want to see both of these cities alot)
and then ill fly from one of the two cities, into london...and finally begin to live



I want to know if you guys ever did anything liek this, and if you did, how sucessful were you? And if anyone who hasnt done this can give me suggestions, thats fine too.

Thanks :)


p.s. if you live in philly,NYC,chicago, or london and wouldnt mind helpin a comrade out..tell me
how old are you?

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Love Underground+November 30, 2006 05:09 pm--> (Love Underground @ November 30, 2006 05:09 pm)
[email protected] 26, 2006 09:33 pm
I've been thinking lately and there is no way i can stand this rat race anymore. I hate school, and its gonna be 2 years before i can drop out. So I'm leaving within the next year or two. I've decided on a partial list of items to bring
Backpack(to hold stuff)

500 dollars or so(still not sure how ill get this)

camera

laptop(to keep in touch with whats going on in the world, and to save room on my camera

pnecil,pens,notebook(s)

clothes on my back plus one extra change

a plan

and some people willing to help me for a night or two

a cell phone (not sure on it though)

and last,but not least, some sort of music player, idc if its cds or an mp3 player

I live about 20-30 miles southwest of chicago, so ill figure ill either Hop on a train, hitchhike up, or have someone i know whos in on it drive me up to midway
Then I'm gonna take a flight from Midway to either NYC or Philly,whichever is cheaper
And ill hitchhike from NYC to philly, or from philly to NYC
(this is because I want to see both of these cities alot)
and then ill fly from one of the two cities, into london...and finally begin to live



I want to know if you guys ever did anything liek this, and if you did, how sucessful were you? And if anyone who hasnt done this can give me suggestions, thats fine too.

Thanks :)


p.s. if you live in philly,NYC,chicago, or london and wouldnt mind helpin a comrade out..tell me
how old are you? [/b]
14

[drain.you]

I wouldn't recommend travelling to an island at first (ex. England) because you're somewhat trapped, or at least it's kind of hard to get off. I recommend first travelling to somewhere in Eurasica because you can get to nearly anywhere by train/hitch-hiking/walking.

Lol. Trapped? You can get a plane to France/Germany/Spain/Mediterrean for like £20, if you found 50p everyday for just over a month you would be able to 'escape'. besides we have a welfare system, it will catch you when you fall.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2006 09:47 pm

I wouldn't recommend travelling to an island at first (ex. England) because you're somewhat trapped, or at least it's kind of hard to get off. I recommend first travelling to somewhere in Eurasica because you can get to nearly anywhere by train/hitch-hiking/walking.

Lol. Trapped? You can get a plane to France/Germany/Spain/Mediterrean for like £20, if you found 50p everyday for just over a month you would be able to 'escape'. besides we have a welfare system, it will catch you when you fall.
not if your 14 years old and illegally there..

[Fawkes]

Yeah^^^

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

China, and Vietnam have taken an increasingly capitalist path.

the DPRK is impossible to get into

Cuba is probably the most realistic , and its warm and the beaches are beautiful.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

so yeah if you do get to NYC you can call my cell. You can PM me for it.

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2006 06:06 am
People encouraging this sort of behaviour should be ashamed of themselves. Running away won't achieve anything, all it will do is put you in a lot of personal danger and cause you problems further down the line.

Two years is not such a lng time to wait until you can leave school and in that time you may decide you want more education, or alternatively have thought through what you want to do instead. Something that will hopefully be far more productive than some half baked plan about running away.

And as I say, the rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Encouraging a fourteen year old to do something extremely unwise is deeply irresponsible.
oh stfu, not all of us want to become college hippies, if the kid wants to bail, its his fucking choice, I personally agree with it...

[Comrade Marcel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2006 11:44 pm

Have you thought about "defecting" to a socialist country instead (China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam)?

China, and Vietnam have taken an increasingly capitalist path.




So what? It's still socialistic and you could learn something from the experience..


the DPRK is impossible to get into

No it's not. Contact a friendship association or the embasssy/consulate.

[Fawkes]

^^^ Yeah, but still, who the fuck would wanna go there?

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by Freedom for [email protected] 01, 2006 10:35 pm
^^^ Yeah, but still, who the fuck would wanna go there?
I think it would be an amazing experience to go there. Even for people who don't like its government one tiny bit. Oh, and thanks to everyone who said that they'd still rather live in America or wherever: guess I won't have to ask you about your class backgrounds. :)

[Rollo]

I want to go to Cuba. It's nice there.

[Fawkes]

^^^
^^^
Why would you have to ask in the first place? You don't need to be a member of the proletariat to be revolutionary, therefore, our class doesn't really matter. And, though I admit I do not know much about the daily life of a DPRK citizen, I bet that a poor American has a better life than most people in the DPRK.

[RedKnight]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+November 29, 2006 10:42 pm--> (Sir_No_Sir @ November 29, 2006 10:42 pm)
Organic [email protected] 29, 2006 10:13 pm
Do not talk about weapons in this forum.
Thanks.


P.S.:I am not going to carry fucking weapons around. Thats the stupidest reccomendation I have ever heard. The only acceptable one would be a small pocket knife. [/b]
I also do not recomend running away, unless you are being mistreated, and or are impoverished and are a hobo looking for work. But my sister and I did leave home when we were teenagers once. A better weapon is a baseball bat, because it is non-suspicious. Plus you can strike from a distance, and knock out rather than kill your adversary. You can also use the bat to help carry your bag. Also make sure that you map out where important locations, like roadside rests are located. That's all of the advice I have. Good luck.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by Freedom for all...ALL+December 02, 2006 01:17 am--> (Freedom for all...ALL @ December 02, 2006 01:17 am) Why would you have to ask in the first place? You don't need to be a member of the proletariat to be revolutionary, therefore, our class doesn't really matter. [/b]
Yeah, you don't have to belong to a revolutionary class to be revolutionary, of course... :rolleyes: While a bourgeois may feel "compassion" for those poor wee little workers, and join a revolutionary movement for that reason(if they even let him in, which a lot of groups don't), that is not the moment where he has to make the real choice. The real choice comes when he has to choose directly between the revolution and his own wealth.

So while the idea of a non-proletarian being(or rather, claiming to be) a revolutionary is plausible, it's also extremely risky, and I would have difficulty trusting someone who claims to be on my side, but at the same time risks losing so much when we make a revolution. So saying that "class doesn't really matter" is extremely ignorant.


Originally posted by [email protected]
And, though I admit I do not know much about the daily life of a DPRK citizen
That much is obvious.


FFFAA
I bet that a poor American has a better life than most people in the DPRK.
Wanna bet? There may be a lot of Americans who have a better life than most in the DPRK, but why do you think that is? Because maybe, just maybe America happens to be stinky rich, so all the profit it extracts can be used to make capitalism more "humane"? That's the same reason rightists tell you that the system works, and while you seem to have gotten over that, when it comes to a comparison with the DPRK, you once more fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

But no, that can't be it. Obviously the DPRK, isolated, mountainous, threatened by an imperialist army just to the south, it's all their own fault! Because, hey, if "class doesn't really matter", then I guess everything that we have learned about imperialism and how hard that is on oppressed nations, or nations opposing, also "doesn't really matter".

Because, you know, who cares that imperialism is destroying the world, just as long as you can wear expensive clothes that look second-hand, and chill out with your buddies in a squat(no offence to people who actually need to squat, I can respect that), buying good food with your pocket money, and pretend that you are changing the world. Fuck the DPRK, it's all their fault for being an evil dictatorship. Anarchyyyy!!! :A: :AO: :A: :AO:

[Organic Revolution]

Please keep this on topic, or ill have to close it, if you would like to discuss the life of a citizen in the DPRK or China ect. then please open that somewhere else. This is DIY, not citizenry.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 02, 2006 05:05 pm
Please keep this on topic, or ill have to close it, if you would like to discuss the life of a citizen in the DPRK or China ect. then please open that somewhere else. This is DIY, not citizenry.
Thanks
This isnt a thread about ideology, or life in some faroff country, not that it doesnt matter
this is about how to survive while running awayin the united states


And: I refuse to take any weapons besides a small pocket knife.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 01, 2006 09:54 pm



So what? It's still socialistic and you could learn something from the experience.

True but I'd prefer Cuba as it is more socialist than either of the two.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

So while the idea of a non-proletarian being(or rather, claiming to be) a revolutionary is plausible, it's also extremely risky, and I would have difficulty trusting someone who claims to be on my side, but at the same time risks losing so much when we make a revolution. So saying that "class doesn't really matter" is extremely ignorant.

Plus, unless you're a student/teen/non-adult, you have complete control over your class status.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2006 11:57 pm

So while the idea of a non-proletarian being(or rather, claiming to be) a revolutionary is plausible, it's also extremely risky, and I would have difficulty trusting someone who claims to be on my side, but at the same time risks losing so much when we make a revolution. So saying that "class doesn't really matter" is extremely ignorant.

Plus, unless you're a student/teen/non-adult, you have complete control over your class status.
No, you have the option of going down. You could go up, but that doesnt happen that much.

[Tetsuo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2006 12:55 pm
I'm not leaving for material wealth. I know that there will be a vast dropoff, and I'm ready for it.
Mate, don't take this the wrong way, but I sincerely doubt you are

Yeah, you could eke out a living hanging around squats and dumpster diving for food, but why the hell would you want to? To steal a phrase, that's not fucking the system, that's letting the system fuck you.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+December 03, 2006 12:53 am--> (Sir_No_Sir @ December 03, 2006 12:53 am)
[email protected] 02, 2006 11:57 pm

So while the idea of a non-proletarian being(or rather, claiming to be) a revolutionary is plausible, it's also extremely risky, and I would have difficulty trusting someone who claims to be on my side, but at the same time risks losing so much when we make a revolution. So saying that "class doesn't really matter" is extremely ignorant.

Plus, unless you're a student/teen/non-adult, you have complete control over your class status.
No, you have the option of going down. You could go up, but that doesnt happen that much. [/b]
ya that's what I meant. I meant that if you're truly revolutionary you would be a worker not a bourgieous. Bourgious cannot be communist.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+December 03, 2006 04:13 am--> (LeftyHenry @ December 03, 2006 04:13 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 12:53 am

[email protected] 02, 2006 11:57 pm

So while the idea of a non-proletarian being(or rather, claiming to be) a revolutionary is plausible, it's also extremely risky, and I would have difficulty trusting someone who claims to be on my side, but at the same time risks losing so much when we make a revolution. So saying that "class doesn't really matter" is extremely ignorant.

Plus, unless you're a student/teen/non-adult, you have complete control over your class status.
No, you have the option of going down. You could go up, but that doesnt happen that much.
ya that's what I meant. I meant that if you're truly revolutionary you would be a worker not a bourgieous. Bourgious cannot be communist. [/b]
Funny
I wrote something about that today.
PM me if yall wanna hear it. I think its good


but yeah
i honest to god doubt im ready, but ill learn fast enough, or die. thats all there really is to it.

[An archist]

yeah, to prevent the dying part: talk to people who have been trough what you wanna go through

[Red October]

like someone else said earlier, bring a leatherman. theyre much better than swiss army knives. you can use it for defence, preparing food, cutting wire, making shit, and tons of other purposes. they may be a little pricey, but it'll definately be worth it.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 03, 2006 03:44 pm
like someone else said earlier, bring a leatherman. theyre much better than swiss army knives. you can use it for defence, preparing food, cutting wire, making shit, and tons of other purposes. they may be a little pricey, but it'll definately be worth it.
where can i get one and for how much?

[Ariev]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+December 03, 2006 05:19 pm--> (Sir_No_Sir @ December 03, 2006 05:19 pm)
Red October [email protected] 03, 2006 03:44 pm
like someone else said earlier, bring a leatherman. theyre much better than swiss army knives. you can use it for defence, preparing food, cutting wire, making shit, and tons of other purposes. they may be a little pricey, but it'll definately be worth it.
where can i get one and for how much?[/b]
http://www.leatherman.com/where-to-buy/dealer-locator.asp

The prices depend on the knife but something between $30 and $60

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Ariev+December 03, 2006 06:17 pm--> (Ariev @ December 03, 2006 06:17 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 05:19 pm

Red October [email protected] 03, 2006 03:44 pm
like someone else said earlier, bring a leatherman. theyre much better than swiss army knives. you can use it for defence, preparing food, cutting wire, making shit, and tons of other purposes. they may be a little pricey, but it'll definately be worth it.
where can i get one and for how much?
http://www.leatherman.com/where-to-buy/dealer-locator.asp

The prices depend on the knife but something between $30 and $60 [/b]
Imight get a really cheap 30 or 4o dollar one..im hopin i get some $$ for christmas though because i gotta buy tickets and shit

[Red October]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+December 03, 2006 12:19 pm--> (Sir_No_Sir @ December 03, 2006 12:19 pm)
Red October [email protected] 03, 2006 03:44 pm
like someone else said earlier, bring a leatherman. theyre much better than swiss army knives. you can use it for defence, preparing food, cutting wire, making shit, and tons of other purposes. they may be a little pricey, but it'll definately be worth it.
where can i get one and for how much? [/b]
REI or any camping/outdoor supply store will have them.

[Sir_No_Sir]

This is what I'll prolly get (http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2277518&cp=1160855&filter=yes&fCat=1160855&fpricesort=priceAscending&parentPage=family)

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 07:03 pm
This is what I'll prolly get (http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2277518&cp=1160855&filter=yes&fCat=1160855&fpricesort=priceAscending&parentPage=family)
I don't know if you can buy a knife if you're a minor.

[Red October]

Originally posted by LeftyHenry+December 03, 2006 02:15 pm--> (LeftyHenry @ December 03, 2006 02:15 pm)
[email protected] 03, 2006 07:03 pm
This is what I'll prolly get (http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2277518&cp=1160855&filter=yes&fCat=1160855&fpricesort=priceAscending&parentPage=family)
I don't know if you can buy a knife if you're a minor. [/b]
im pretty sure you can. a knife isnt necessarily a weapon, especially something like a leatherman which is primarily used for camping and other legitimate purposes.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Yeah, and if they dont sell it to me ill just steal it. Unless its behind a glass case=/

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 02:32 pm
Yeah, and if they dont sell it to me ill just steal it. Unless its behind a glass case=/
the knives are almost always behind some sort of glass case. you can usually get them to take one out for you to look at, but then it would be pretty obvious if you stole it.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Yeah.
Unless I got a friend to go with and pull the fire alarms=]

[Organic Revolution]

lets step back for a second, and think, what is so wrong with your living situation that you need to run away?

[OneBrickOneVoice]

lets step back for a second, and think, what is so wrong with your living situation that you need to run away?

Capitalist dronism is what's so wrong.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 11:26 pm

lets step back for a second, and think, what is so wrong with your living situation that you need to run away?

Capitalist dronism is what's so wrong.
'Zackly.

[Tetsuo]

How is running away supposed to help though? You'll still be living in a capitalist society, you'll just be living on the outer fringes of it, rooting through garbage to survive (call it freeganism or skipping all you like, it's still disgusting and unhygenic).

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 01:22 am
How is running away supposed to help though? You'll still be living in a capitalist society, you'll just be living on the outer fringes of it, rooting through garbage to survive (call it freeganism or skipping all you like, it's still disgusting and unhygenic).
0mG its unhyg3n1c!

At least I wont be bored and live a life with nothing new everyday.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+December 03, 2006 08:39 pm--> (Sir_No_Sir @ December 03, 2006 08:39 pm)
[email protected] 04, 2006 01:22 am
How is running away supposed to help though? You'll still be living in a capitalist society, you'll just be living on the outer fringes of it, rooting through garbage to survive (call it freeganism or skipping all you like, it's still disgusting and unhygenic).
0mG its unhyg3n1c!

At least I wont be bored and live a life with nothing new everyday. [/b]
not to be offensive, but you can do that without digging through dumpsters.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by Red October 1922+December 04, 2006 02:43 am--> (Red October 1922 @ December 04, 2006 02:43 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 08:39 pm

[email protected] 04, 2006 01:22 am
How is running away supposed to help though? You'll still be living in a capitalist society, you'll just be living on the outer fringes of it, rooting through garbage to survive (call it freeganism or skipping all you like, it's still disgusting and unhygenic).
0mG its unhyg3n1c!

At least I wont be bored and live a life with nothing new everyday.
not to be offensive, but you can do that without digging through dumpsters. [/b]
Will I be poor as I'll ever be? Yes.


Will I dig through dumpsters? No.

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+December 04, 2006 01:17 pm--> (Sir_No_Sir @ December 04, 2006 01:17 pm)
Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 04, 2006 02:43 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 08:39 pm

[email protected] 04, 2006 01:22 am
How is running away supposed to help though? You'll still be living in a capitalist society, you'll just be living on the outer fringes of it, rooting through garbage to survive (call it freeganism or skipping all you like, it's still disgusting and unhygenic).
0mG its unhyg3n1c!

At least I wont be bored and live a life with nothing new everyday.
not to be offensive, but you can do that without digging through dumpsters.
Will I be poor as I'll ever be? Yes.


Will I dig through dumpsters? No. [/b]
i don't mind that kind of lifestyle. dumpstering is fun. you can get food packaged and fresh. if you're worried about your poor hands wear gloves. our dumpster here isn't gross. it's all packaged and bagged. nothing naff that smells. so i don't mind what other people think. it's a massive part of food not bombs too. the dumpstering, diy-ing and sleeping out under the stars is so romantic.

[Sir_No_Sir]

yeah
idk
id give it a shot, probably
though far as i know chicagoans are dirty as fuck haha

[Tetsuo]

Originally posted by Sir_No_Sir+December 04, 2006 01:39 am--> (Sir_No_Sir @ December 04, 2006 01:39 am)
[email protected] 04, 2006 01:22 am
How is running away supposed to help though? You'll still be living in a capitalist society, you'll just be living on the outer fringes of it, rooting through garbage to survive (call it freeganism or skipping all you like, it's still disgusting and unhygenic).
0mG its unhyg3n1c!

At least I wont be bored and live a life with nothing new everyday. [/b]
Oh fine, whatever.

Hope you enjoy shivering in some dingy squat and eating out of bins :)

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 03:17 am
Will I be poor as I'll ever be? Yes.


Will I dig through dumpsters? No.
It's already long been established that it's quite possible to live homeless without having to rely on the trashcan for your nutritional needs. If you'd actually read some of the posts here, you might have noticed that. Again:

http://guide2homelessness.blogspot.com/

[freakazoid]

You don't have to eat out of dumpsters to live. You can live off of the land. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke Just read some how to survival books, like this one that I own, The SAS Survival handbook. This site has alot of usefull info, http://www.wilderness-survival-skills.com/...ival-books.html (http://www.wilderness-survival-skills.com/wilderness-survival-books.html)
Don't forget that you could travel by a boat, which would provide fast and easy transportation, would allow you to carry things easier, and because you are on the water you can fish and travel at the same time. Also you should get some kind of emergency kit with first aid things, water purifiers, back up food, etc. Try a local gun show, they have many usefull camping and survival gear. You don't need some expensive tent, a simple tarp will do. Although a single or double person hiking tent can be nice to sleep in. Also don't forget a sleeping pad! It will help insulate you from the ground which can sap all of your warmth.
Oh and while a leatherman would make a great mutlipurpose tool, you might want to also get a fixed blade knife. Also a map of where you are planning to travel would be very helpfull, as with a compass. Also a GPS would be great, but they tend to be expensive and require batteries unless you also get some kind of solar powered generator. I own a Garmin Rino 120, It is part GPS part walkie-talkie, you can even see where other people with one are.

[ezlncomandante_pablo]

in my opinion you should wait until you're sixteen, and then try having a parent register you for Job Corps. it'll help you earn your GED/Diploma and at the same time give you experience in working(you have tons of options to choose from) and provide a place to live(dorms). they also provide food, rides, and even money every week(25 dollars a week, and they raise it more the longer you stay there). It's totally free, and you can leave any time. they're great for teens trying to leave home for any situations. and they're located all around the USA. Job Corps link (http://jobcorps.dol.gov/about.htm)


then again, squatting is a good experience too. you never know when you can loose it all and end up learning how to survive on the streets. hollywood is a popular place to squat and to meet up with alot of crusties(anarcho/homeless punks). i've done my fair share doing that, and like i said, it's a good experience.

goodluck!

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 07:39 pm
in my opinion you should wait until you're sixteen, and then try having a parent register you for Job Corps. it'll help you earn your GED/Diploma and at the same time give you experience in working(you have tons of options to choose from) and provide a place to live(dorms). they also provide food, rides, and even money every week(25 dollars a week, and they raise it more the longer you stay there). It's totally free, and you can leave any time. they're great for teens trying to leave home for any situations. and they're located all around the USA. Job Corps link (http://jobcorps.dol.gov/about.htm)


then again, squatting is a good experience too. you never know when you can loose it all and end up learning how to survive on the streets. hollywood is a popular place to squat and to meet up with alot of crusties(anarcho/homeless punks). i've done my fair share doing that, and like i said, it's a good experience.

goodluck!
wow i don't think we have anything like that here. sounds cool!

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 07:18 pm
yeah
idk
id give it a shot, probably
though far as i know chicagoans are dirty as fuck haha
hey now, im not dirty.

[An archist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 01:37 am
Oh fine, whatever.

Hope you enjoy shivering in some dingy squat and eating out of bins :)
You can live a pretty comfy lifestyle in a squat, in most countries you can even get elecrticity, water and gas (if you pay for it)

[Red October]

Originally posted by An archist+December 05, 2006 02:59 pm--> (An archist @ December 05, 2006 02:59 pm)
[email protected] 05, 2006 01:37 am
Oh fine, whatever.

Hope you enjoy shivering in some dingy squat and eating out of bins :)
You can live a pretty comfy lifestyle in a squat, in most countries you can even get elecrticity, water and gas (if you pay for it) [/b]
how do you do that if you're there illegally? and how do you afford it?

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Red October 1922+December 05, 2006 05:29 pm--> (Red October 1922 @ December 05, 2006 05:29 pm)
Originally posted by An [email protected] 05, 2006 02:59 pm

[email protected] 05, 2006 01:37 am
Oh fine, whatever.

Hope you enjoy shivering in some dingy squat and eating out of bins :)
You can live a pretty comfy lifestyle in a squat, in most countries you can even get elecrticity, water and gas (if you pay for it)
how do you do that if you're there illegally? and how do you afford it? [/b]
In America, it's virtually impossible to legally squat.

In other countries, especially european ones, it's much easier to squat and squatters are actually protected under squatters rights. If the squat meets certain conditions, ie. wasn't broken in too, is occupied at all times, has certain amount of furniture, etc. then the person who actually owns the building has to go through a long legal process to evict the squatters. Often times the landlords don't even bother evicting the squatters.

Squatting in the USA is very difficult, but can be done if you know the law. A recent situation I've heard about in New York City was about some old warehouses being purchased and converted into loft living. People rented them out, then learned the building was not zoned for residential use therefore the tenants had no obligation to pay rent since collecting rent was illegal for the landlord to do, since it wasn't properly zoned. Unfortunetly, situations like that don't happen too often in America. It's also somewhat easier to squat in vacant buildings in decrepid and abandoned sections of certain cities.

As for utilities, if you have the money to pay for them, it's pretty easy to get them. The utility company doesn't care who pays the dues, as long as they're paid.

[Freedom?]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29, 2006 07:44 am
Just because you were a weener 14 year old doesn't mean everybody else is.

You should be ashamed for making peoples decisions for them.
PREACH IT!!

[forza_che]

Running away never acheives anything.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 10:34 pm
Running away never acheives anything.
Why not?

[counterblast]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2006 10:17 pm
Why not just go straight to downtown Chicago? Hook up with some crusties, they will show you how to live for cheap.
Downtown? The only thing in downtown Chicago are a bunch of tourists and businessmen.

[Ricardo]

I don't know if anyone has given you this link yet but its called Steal This Wiki, its an updated version of Steal This BOok by Abbie Hoffman, I started a thread on it a while back but like one person replied.

http://stealthiswiki.nine9pages.com/index....title=Main_Page (http://stealthiswiki.nine9pages.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)

[Ricardo]

You definately should think this through, but if you do and you still want to, good luck. There's a site called digi-hitch.com it's about hitchhiking and train hopping, but there is a lot of info on the forums, and you can arrange to go on a trip with someone, if you feel safe doing so over the internet.

http://digihitch.com/

[Marukusu]

You should seriously ensure that you manage to keep a good hygiene. After only a couple of days without a shower or bath you will reek of sweat and your body will itch like hell. You also are in the risk of contracting various ugly diseases if you choose ignore your health (also, people will become suspiciois if they see a young boy drifting around like a hobo and might contact the police).
And be suspicious to everyone, there are some real psycos out there. Seriously...

I advise you to at least wait until you have finished school. Life is hell sometimes, but it won't be get any better by "living of the land" and eating other people's trash.
And I do know that I sound like your mother or something right now, but really - THINK ABOUT IT.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Oddly, you dont sound anything like my mom. When i talk to her about lowering the dropout age- she argues and basically wants to control peoples lives. She wouldnt just tell me to think about it, she would make my life a living fucking hell. I'm thinking about just failigng hgih school with flying colors.

[Comrade Marcel]

I dropped out of grade 9, though I wouldn't reccomend it because it was hard to get into University (though I know it sounds hypocritical since I am attending one of the best Universities in the province).

Also, your parents will probably just try to find new ways of punishing you. Is there anyway you could find an alternative school or something?

[counterblast]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 09, 2006 09:52 pm
I dropped out of grade 9, though I wouldn't reccomend it because it was hard to get into University (though I know it sounds hypocritical since I am attending one of the best Universities in the province).

Also, your parents will probably just try to find new ways of punishing you. Is there anyway you could find an alternative school or something?
I dropped out at grade 9; and never attended a college. It's not like you've gotta go to college to live a great life.

[TheMachine]

whoops;. :unsure:

[TheMachine]

No cell phone. They can trace it to your exact location.

London is good, could find a nice place to squat with other people. But somewhere I read Londoners have animosity towards americans. Best place in america to be homeless as a kid is portland. Get free medical treatment and sometimes food, thanks to the OutsideIN group.

[counterblast]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2006 11:23 pm
No cell phone. They can trace it to your exact location.

London is good, could find a nice place to squat with other people. But somewhere I read Londoners have animosity towards americans. Best place in america to be homeless as a kid is portland. Get free medical treatment and sometimes food, thanks to the OutsideIN group.
I agree. Portland is a wonderful place to run away to, possibly the best. So are Seattle, San Francisco, and other cities in the pacific northwest. The region has a lot of wonderful organizations like free clinics, radical homeless shelters, legal squats, and well-organized Food Not Bombs chapters.

[Rollo]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 10, 2006 07:52 am
I dropped out of grade 9, though I wouldn't reccomend it because it was hard to get into University (though I know it sounds hypocritical since I am attending one of the best Universities in the province).

Also, your parents will probably just try to find new ways of punishing you. Is there anyway you could find an alternative school or something?
Actually dropping out can be a good idea if you want to get into a trade.

[UrbanNinja]

yo, i'm not trying to tell you you're wrong or anything like that, but from what i've read it sounds like you're running away cuz your bored? if this is so i would seriously suggest thinking about this more. why are you so bored? if it's because life isn't giving you any excitement, you should consider making your own excitement. but if you really want to run away, i say go for it.

[*PRC*Kensei]

about going by bote:

- flights are a risk.. BUT.. people die on ships...a LOT, speccialy if you want to get to europa without money... over 10.000 afrikans try to get to europa that way evry year.

+ london ? hell no: Paris ! the'll never catch you there without a serious riot. however i assume you dont speak frensh.

and i hope that, unless you going to a socialist country (cuba...vietnam..), you realize that you are gonna live in poverty till you die ?



my pic: if you had the possibility: join the FARC in columbia. however thats not as simple :P but it's an active, revolutionary life (in a warm country).

[which doctor]

Originally posted by *PRC*[email protected] 30, 2007 09:11 am
you realize that you are gonna live in poverty till you die ?


Who told you that, a capitalist?!?!

Plenty of high school and college dropouts now make loads of money.

[analfilth]

I don't know where the whole idea of dumpstering being unhygenic comes from but here it's not at all. Food does not go off as soon as it reaches it's used by date and most dumpsters are emptied once a week so I highly doubt you are going to get REALLY off food... unless it is meat or dairy which would probably be wise not to eat! Most of the food is still in it's package and there aren't going to be dirty diapers or something in the bin as it's not household waste!!
And also there are a lot of squats that are well established. I'm not sure of many in America but there are a couple around here. Finding a squat to stay in is probably your best option i think. Much better than going straight to living on the streets. If you can find one with electricity that's an added bonus, + alot of squatters are lovely people to be around and welcome newcomers so there's no need to be worried of that. :)
oh and on the food business I don't know if you have them over there either but here there are some restaurants run where you only pay as much as you can or have. It's mostly all volunteer work and it wouldn't be a bad place to get a job either. Free food and new friends!

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2006 11:23 pm
No cell phone. They can trace it to your exact location.

London is good, could find a nice place to squat with other people. But somewhere I read Londoners have animosity towards americans. Best place in america to be homeless as a kid is portland. Get free medical treatment and sometimes food, thanks to the OutsideIN group.
yea p-town is tight, (its oregon if you dont already know), whatever you do stay out of sacremento! lol fuck that place

[anarchista feminista]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2007 04:17 pm
oh and on the food business I don't know if you have them over there either but here there are some restaurants run where you only pay as much as you can or have. It's mostly all volunteer work and it wouldn't be a bad place to get a job either. Free food and new friends!
check out if where you are staying has a local food not bombs. they're in alot of places. and if not, check out your local green grocers, markets etc and ask if they can give you the leftover food they have to chuck out anyway. dumpsters are also a good place to look but not always best when you need a constant supply. if you can start your own food not bombs it could benefit the community too. i know that in my local area our soup kitchen had to close and it's going to have a pretty negative effect. community kitchens are a great idea because everyone has the right to eat. so yep. something to think about :)

how's your whole running away idea going anyway?

[dannthraxxx]

okay, fuck it. I had a huge entry typed up about how you should think this through.


but you know what, go for it. all i can say is, watch your back when you're out on the streets. think before you pull out that knife and try to shank someone. think before you pull that cell-phone out in the middle of some homeless people. and most definitely think about how shitty clif-bars stolen from wal-mart are going to taste after you eat them for months straight.



life on the street isnt easy and its not as rosy as most are making it out to be. and you better keep in mind that all it takes is one simple fuck up with the 5-0 and you're shipped back home to your moms and pops, then you're in a new world of shit my man.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 11:01 pm


how's your whole running away idea going anyway?
idk, somedays i gotta leave, and some days im perfectly content.

[Jude]

Like I said before, I'll go with you!

[*PRC*Kensei]

Hello comrades.

i dont know where to post this.. but i just gotto talk to somebody.

I'm scared like hell. i'm scared to death.

For my own dad.

My dad was a hardworking (and well-earning, middle class), tall, friendly men.
He rarely hitted me when i whas young, i cant say he did many things wrong.

But 2 days ago, we where going on a trip to the mountains.
His car whas broke.. we had to go with my mother's car, and she found out he actually forgot about this trip. So she went angry that day, but nothing more than a small familiar verbal fight happened, like in any other household.

But yesterday, i woke up, and when comming to the breakfast table in our bungalow, i found my dad furious at my mother. they must have had an argument.
He left in anger.
2 hours he came back.. they had another argument & then it happened:
My dad went SO angry, angrier then i ever saw a person in my life (even on tv!), started screaming very agressive & left again for 4 hours.

He came back again.. mother crying upstairs.. he went upstaires.. argument started again. he went... "crossing the line" angry, my mother gave in on all discussion points.
But i was SO angry at him, that i went upstairs & said he should never act like that again, he lauched at me & told me to go down.

Afther that me & my mother packed the car & left to drive home, leaving him in the mountain hut.


ATM i'm at home, behind my pc. and i'm F*cking scared. i never saw my dad so angry... and like evry month there is a story in the newpaper of a men who murders his own fammily (no joke, anybody living in belgium can affirm this)

He did not hit me in years, and i'm 18 now, but he's like 20 cm taller, and stronger than me. he has never been drunk before.. and last thing i saw when we left was him opening a bottle of whine.. i just dont know what to do. he will be home today or tommorow... i HOPE that he is back normal. but if he's still mad ( MAAAAD, not angry, but maaaad, nuts, crazy, twisted..)..

Srry i posted this, but... like... maby some of you have been in situations like this.. thx.

[fashbash]

Don't worry about it mate. To be fair you might be looking at a divorce, but you're not going to be murdered in your bed. He'll calm down, and so will your Ma. Stay out of it, it's not really any of your business (unless he gets violent towards your Ma), and let them sort it out between them.

[*PRC*Kensei]

Yea...he turned calm. for now.

i dont fear him for now.

but i dont trust him eigther.

[The Anarchist Prince]

First off, ditch the cell phone, unless it's a trac-phone. The chances of authorities trying to match a vocal pattern is unlikely, but track a cell phone? They'd find you within a couple days. Anyway, my suggestion of shit to take:

-1 person tent (Preferablly an tent that can handle very cold temps)

-Sleeping bag (For obvious reasons)

-A knife and hatchet (For defense and skinning/hunting)

-Fishing pole (You can always get food if you're around water)

-Alot of waterproof matches (5-6 boxes)

- Basic medical kit (If something happens, you're more or less on your own. Painkillers, antiseptic, slings, etc)

- Money (Plan this out. I'd say at LEAST $2000. Get a job, and work your ass off. I'd reccomend $5000 cash, but $2000 could be minmum.)

-Compass/Maps

-a pot(for cooking/boiling water)

-a canteen (if you're going out west or cross country)

- Some small snack shit, for emergency's. Like jerkey, noodles, etc. High energy stuff.

-Clothes for all conditions, jackets, gloves, hat, boots, shorts, etc. You never can always judge conditions

-A good hiking pack to put shit in. You're not gonna be able to just use a stick and hankercheif for this venture. Make sure it's waterproof too.




Um, I may be forgetting some stuff, but I have the bases mostly covered. And with music players....if you're in some derelict building, I think you want to hear what's coming.

And I think it'll be hard for you to buy anything that would get you out of the country....You need a passport, visa, etc. And good luck getting a job...you need a social security number and such, and you'd probably get identified as missing pretty quick. Anyway, I wish you all the luck in the world. Just keep your shit together, don't try to go cross country unless you FOR SURE know where you're gonna end up, hitchhike with women rather than men (men are more likely to uh....do shit, women are less, but still, suspect everyone) and don't leave a trail, because you'll be back home pretty quick. Good luck.



*Edit-Added a few things*

[RationalAnarchist]

I hope this kid didn't fucking do this stupid shit.

Running away at his age?

That is the stupidest thing I ever heard.

I take this as a personal insult.

When I was 17 I had to leave home on my own and cut off all contact with my family because of legal issues, running away from a warrant.

That is all behind me now.

Even at 17, running away with no money, no job, no place to live etc was the worst experience of my life bar NONE.

Worse than prison, worse than a bladder infection, worse than anything by a long shot.

You want to leave home because your bored?

Do you think sleeping under a bridge and walking around a city aimlessly every day until you get sores on your feet and walk with a limp and smell like rotting trash is a fun time?

Nothing is more boring than being homeless.

Your living in a fantasy world.

I sat on a park bench and begged for $1's for 6 weeks strait while watching pedestrians walk past and give me disgusted looks.

I was ready to shit my pants whenever I saw a cop.

I went hungry, I went without showers, I barely got any sleep and started to go crazy from sleep deprivation.

I had sexual predators try to pay me to give them blow jobs, or ask me to come back to their house.

How fun yeah, how fucking glamorous.

I met one dude, and we would panhandle together, after about 2 weeks, he got weak, and tired and accepted an invitation from some 30 something year old guy to go work on a boat.

I told him don't do it man, no one will hire a bum unless they want something from you.

He wouldn't listen.

3 days later he found me, and said the man had got him drunk on the boat, and had sex with him and beat him and threatened to throw him overboard, no one would ever remember a piece of shit like him.

I told him to go to the police, but he said he didn't want to.

3 days later, he drank a quart of whiskey, and jumped in front of a speeding car right in front of my eyes.

Never warned me, never said he was thinking about killing himself, just flung himself onto a highway and died.

A few weeks later I turned myself into the police and did my time.

There is more shit, I don't have time to tell it all.

Don't be fucking stupid.

[black magick hustla]

HOLY SHIT

that is an incredible story

[RationalAnarchist]

I lurked this forum for years, and finally registered just to try and warn this poor kid.

I hope I was not too late.

Being homeless was the #1 reason why I became left leaning.

To this day, I will stop on the street and have long conversations with homeless people, try to help them, give them a few bucks, just try to convince them they have hope you know man.

I was in L.A. 2,000+ miles from home, living on a park bench.

In L.A. it is like the homeless capital of the world, it would make you sick to see what goes on.

For every person who wants to help a homeless dude, you have 3 people who want to exploit him.

I had people try plenty of shit on me.

Not just one time sexual shit for money which I always refused.

They tried to get me to be a full time homosexual prostitute.

They tried to lure me to Mexico.

I had one dude ask me if I had a driver's license, did I want to drive something for him, drugs I guess, "it is real high tech" was his words.

Being homeless is insanely boring and miserable at best, totally dangerous and deadly at worst.

To this day I wonder how many of the young men and women I met during my short time as a homeless person are now dead, or being exploited.

This shit is not a joke, most 18 year olds will crash and burn trying to go out on their own with nothing.

A 14 year old, it is just flat out dangerous.

I hate the police with a passion, I would never co-operate with them, and I just can't say how much I hate them.

But this kid being 14 trying to run off and sleep outdoors or in abandoned houses with total strangers?

I don't blame the cops for trying to stop shit like that.

He belongs at home with food and shelter where he can be safe.

It is a rough world out there, you can seriously run into some very bad people, especially if your homeless, people assume you have no family and no one will miss you.

Not to mention, if you run away, they treat that as a crime, and he will be sent to a group home or some kind of juvenile placement when he is picked up by some cop, hopefully before he is seriously harmed.

I know all about the juvenile system, that is no fun either.

This is just a bad idea in general to say the very least.

Extremely bad idea.

When I was a kid, I dropped out of school, I got in trouble, got locked up.

All the adults and people who told me shit I just said "yeah yeah yeah".

Well other than the BS about Cannabis which I love and has always helped me out, everything they said was true for the most part looking back.

Their is nothing revolutionary about fucking your life completely and putting yourself in danger needlessly to get some kind of a thrill.

This kid if he follows through will get some thrills, but not the kind he is looking for.

You want some excitement, grow some Cannabis, grow some shrooms, climb a fucking mountain brother.

Don't run off with nothing and live on the street, it is not what you want to do trust me.

Your parents may seem like assholes, but living with them is 10 times better than what you will face being homeless.

At 14 you will never make it more than a month without getting picked up by the cops anyway.

[apathy maybe]

OK, here is some more advice from me.
Expect to have your shit stolen. So, don't get a laptop, get a USB key (with TrueCrypt http://www.truecrypt.org/ ) and use public computers.

Also, if you can afford it, get a good large backpack and have more then 2 changes of clothes. Socks and underpants and shirts. An umbrella is good for keeping rain off (unsurprisingly).

A sleeping bag and a tent, again if you can afford them. A good sleeping bag will cost more then 3 times or 4 times as much as a shitty one. Get the good one (or steal it, but don't get caught). (One way to possibly steal such stuff, make sure you are in clean clothes and aren't smelling, go into the shop and have a look around, find the sleeping bags (often down the back) and get one (you can even ask for advice if you don't know which is best), you then don't want to buy it, you want to have a look at the clothes or socks or other stuff down the front of the store. Then, when the way is clear, simply run out the store with the bag (don't take too much stuff at once) and get the hell out of their. Go to that place you scouted earlier where they won't see you or find you. Now you just have to watch out for the cops for a bit, you probably will be on the CCTV. To help prevent you from being identified, wear a cap or hat and don't look up. Then, don't go back to that place, better still skip that city ASAP.)

If you can hold out for a bit longer, get a job and save some cash, don't put it in the bank though.
Once you have your stuff together, don't go leaving it around, your parents might be going "what?". If you can, leave it at a friends place who knows what you are going to do and is sympathetic.


Once out there, dumpster diving is good, you can get good amounts of food this way that is perfectly edible. Or try the pizza trick or "table diving", whatever.
Don't carry all your stuff around all day, if you can, leave it in a locker somewhere (if it isn't too expensive).

Again, get a job (McDonald's will hire you I'm sure).

Don't forget what I said in my first post, stay educated, get a hobby. Use public libraries. Just because you aren't getting "schooling", doesn't mean you can't get an "education".



*PRC*Kensei: If your father might be abusive towards your mother, tell her to get out. You can get out too as well. Seriously, it isn't worth being beaten to stay with someone. Get her to move, there are organizations to help women in situations like these where she can stay if needed, and file divorce papers. As for you, start moving your shit elsewhere as well (a friend you really trust if you have one, or I don't know where otherwise), then get out at the same time. It ain't worth sticking around. Then, if you can stay friendly, good. If you can't drop all contact with your dad. Seriously, you life is too short to have contact with people who are arseholes, no matter they are related or not.


RationalAnarchist: He will be 15 in April, I think he is old enough to make up his own mind. But I'm sure he'll take on your advice. Personally, I didn't have a shitty home growing up, but I know some folk who did. Sometimes it just isn't work hanging around. If he's organised, he can make it, he might have problems, but it is his choice.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Thanks for actually replying to this. I am aiming for leaving around early may. Im still not totally sure-ill question everyday-but I have someone wholl gimme money to get a train ride into chicago...and that could help alot.


"A sleeping bag and a tent, again if you can afford them."
Yeah,my bros in the army and my parents camp alot,i can take care of that.

[black magick hustla]

dont be stupid

you are going to get gang raped by fucking pedophiles

you are like 15

ewfewfewfrefrere

anyway you probably have fucking huge balls i would be too afraid to do that

[RationalAnarchist]

Please don't do it brother.

Your going to end up miserable, or in a juvenile placement, or worse.

The real world is not a fucking joke.

At 14 you know nothing my friend.

You have no idea what your stepping into.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 01:44 am
dont be stupid

you are going to get gang raped by fucking pedophiles

you are like 15

ewfewfewfrefrere

anyway you probably have fucking huge balls i would be too afraid to do that
Like I said, I' not totally sure yet.

anyone who knows a place t stay in chiago,PM me