Stadiums / Concerts

[Everyday Anarchy]

The other day I went to a concert and as I handed over my ticket to get in, I started thinking about how this would work in a post-revolution world. Only so many people can fit into the stadium or concert hall but post-revolution, how would this be handled? Tickets would be free for anyone, so one group of people might take all of the tickets for themselves and their friends thus preventing everyone else the chance to go to the concert. Also, if you don't have a ticket but want to see them... who will stop you? Will the ticket-taker use force to keep you out?


This may seem like an odd thing to think about, but post-revolution, everything we didn't think ahead about will come down on us.

[Lenin's Law]

Originally posted by Everyday [email protected] 25, 2006 08:12 pm
Tickets would be free for anyone,
Why would tickets be free?

Why shouldn't musicians and artists expect compensation for their work? Remember what Marx said about Communism depriving no man of the means of appropriation, but simply to abolish the process of exploitation of one man by another.

[Lenin's Law]

Originally posted by Everyday [email protected] 25, 2006 08:12 pm
The other day I went to a concert and as I handed over my ticket to get in, I started thinking about how this would work in a post-revolution world. Only so many people can fit into the stadium or concert hall but post-revolution, how would this be handled? Tickets would be free for anyone, so one group of people might take all of the tickets for themselves and their friends thus preventing everyone else the chance to go to the concert. Also, if you don't have a ticket but want to see them... who will stop you? Will the ticket-taker use force to keep you out?


This may seem like an odd thing to think about, but post-revolution, everything we didn't think ahead about will come down on us.

so one group of people might take all of the tickets for themselves and their friends thus preventing everyone else the chance to go to the concert.

How big is this group of people? 50,000? Anyway, there's nothing wrong or "counter revolutionary" about placing some modest limit on group tickets.


Also, if you don't have a ticket but want to see them... who will stop you? Will the ticket-taker use force to keep you out?

The workers whose job it is to protect and secure the stadium/arena/whatever it is will. If the person becomes unruly or violent and refused to leave then perhaps force will be needed to remove that person, hopefully not though.

[Janus]

Why would tickets be free?
It depends on what you mean by "free". Technically, nothing is "free" but supplies and resources will be shared by people free of charge in a post-revolutionary society.


Why shouldn't musicians and artists expect compensation for their work?
They will be compensated as they will need to gain the necessary supplies in order to make that music.


Tickets would be free for anyone, so one group of people might take all of the tickets for themselves and their friends thus preventing everyone else the chance to go to the concert.
One method is just to set up a limit on how many tickets one group or person can take.

[The Bitter Hippy]

why even bother to have tickets? Just have a turnstile bank that counts to 50 000, and then stops turning. Then no worker needs to stand outside taking tickets.

If it get to a situation where there are huge crowds waiting outside pushing to be let in, then perhaps workers can be drafted in to keep order. But i find it hard to imagine anything getting to such a circumstance. Remember that there will no longer be the mass marketing and hype that creates fans for many bands, trends like those that created bands like fall out boy etc. won't exist.

Also, if a worker wants to be a musician, they are going to spend a heck of a lot of time touring and giving concerts. they won't be given the five-month breaks between tours and albums that they currently enjoy. Therefore, there'll be a greater supply for a lesser demand per band/team/performance, and unruly crowds are unlikely to form. Possibly a limitation per person could be imposed on the number of the most in-demand performances you get to see could be imposd?

[Janus]

why even bother to have tickets?
People like to plan things out beforehand and it also helps to organize the event better since there is limited seating.


Just have a turnstile bank that counts to 50 000, and then stops turning.
The only problem with that option is how you're going to deal with the large numbers of unsatisfied people who are coming after that 50,000.


Then no worker needs to stand outside taking tickets.
No, but they'll wait even longer just to get in.

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by Lenin's Law+November 25, 2006 11:05 pm--> (Lenin's Law @ November 25, 2006 11:05 pm)
Everyday [email protected] 25, 2006 08:12 pm
Tickets would be free for anyone,
Why would tickets be free?

Why shouldn't musicians and artists expect compensation for their work? Remember what Marx said about Communism depriving no man of the means of appropriation, but simply to abolish the process of exploitation of one man by another. [/b]
Um, by being members of society artists will already have access to resources 'for free'- so they don't need to get paid as such.

[Global_Justice]

the same way its controlled at the moment, first come first serve :unsure:

[RebelDog]

Why in a post revolutionary society should we really feel the need to do anything the way the bourgeoise does it? We could build bigger stadiums or e could hold the concerts in the city parks and accomodate all. We could make everything free on all media so anyone in the world could see it instead of restricting access to those who can afford it. We could easily ensure that everyone has access to quality live viewing through state of the art technology anywhere in the world if they want it. The popular acts would tour the world like they do today anyway. Stuff tickets, there a waste of paper. We should celebrate human culture and creativity as a global community with access to such delights as rock concerts available to anyone who desires it.

[Blue Collar Bohemian]

I think you guys are thinking about it all wrong. Concerts should be common place and available to all. A musician or band could take their time as they moved across the country/world, playing several nights in one city before they moved on. The current system of touring is totally driven by capitalism, attempting to maximize profit while minimizing effort, and when the greed is taken out of the system I think everyone will benefit. Artists will be freed from uneccissary pressures and fans will be given a better experience.

[Lenin's Law]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 27, 2006 07:49 am
Why in a post revolutionary society should we really feel the need to do anything the way the bourgeoise does it?
Recall that all societies, even revolutinary ones, are in some respects manifestations of the ones that came beforehand. Marx said something very similar to this; he was not a utopian. In other words, each epoch of history still has some traces of the society that came beforehand, it is not possible, at least at the beginning to completely rid ourselves of each and every thing that occurs under the present society.