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Tekun
18th November 2006, 12:08
Vietnam gets ready for big day
By Kate McGeown
BBC News, Hanoi


Nothing is being left to chance
Hanoi's street cleaners are working overtime.

Elaborate floral displays have been erected along pavements and traffic islands, and huge banners are everywhere - vastly outnumbering the city's communist slogans.

The Vietnamese capital is playing host to the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation (Apec) annual meeting, where many of the world's leaders - including US President George Bush and Chinese President Hu Jintao - are to meet.

Vietnam's government sees it as a chance to showcase the country's fast-growing economy, and recent acceptance as a member of the World Trade Organization.

"Apec is the most important political and diplomatic event in Vietnam this year," said government spokesman Le Dung, standing in the city's newly-built $270m convention centre.

"This is our chance to show other countries what we can do," Mr Le added.


Vietnam's leaders are saying it with flowers

It is not just the government that is excited by the thought of a huge international meeting in Hanoi. Many locals have been looking forward to the conference too.

"I'm really happy that lots of important leaders are coming to Hanoi - especially George Bush," said waitress Nguyen Linh Chi, showing off her Apec T-shirt with pride.

Even some Vietnam War veterans are excited about the US president's visit.

"I don't earn much money and my life is quite miserable now. Maybe Mr Bush can help," said motorcycle taxi driver Do Kieu Tuan, who 30 years ago was one of the soldiers who helped drive the Americans out of Saigon.

Security concerns

Vietnam wants to use Apec to persuade the world of its credentials as a country on the rise.

And it is taking no chances to make sure everything runs smoothly.

Security is extremely tight. There is a heavy military presence surrounding the convention centre and Ministry of Health officials have been brought in to taste all the food made on the premises.

Many of the usually traffic-clogged streets are barricaded off, and taxi drivers say they have been told not to drive in certain areas - especially where President Bush is likely to be.

Street vendors have been asked to vacate areas around the city's main hotels, and residents living near the Sheraton - where both Mr Bush and US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice are staying - have even been asked to close their doors and not venture outside when the US delegation is passing.

But while there is undoubtedly a need for careful security measures, critics accuse the government - however modern it likes to think itself - of using these concerns to apply old-fashioned communist strictures.

Earlier this week, the pressure group Human Rights Watch reported that street children were being rounded up and placed in detention centres for the duration of the conference.

Just walking around the centre of Hanoi, it is immediately apparent that the children who usually try to sell pirated DVDs and copies of bestselling books to tourists are now nowhere to be seen.

Political dissidents opposed to the country's one-party rule have also complained of more harassment than usual in the run-up to the conference.

"At the moment this is the most difficult time of my life," said one man, who preferred not to give his name. "The police are making a lot of troubled for me."

Despite the huge build-up to the conference - the banners, the important guests, the city's make-over and the signs of a crackdown on dissent - some Vietnamese are nonplussed by the whole event.

"I don't care about Apec. It's not important to me," said 21-year-old Le Huong Giang, sitting with her friends near the central Hoan Kiem lake.

Some have even managed to bypass it completely, and remain mystified about what all the fuss us about.

"I heard that some famous leaders are coming into Hanoi but it doesn't really affect me," said 77-year-old Nguyen Thi Tu.

"What is Apec? I don't know anything about it."

Didn't Bush despise and condemn communism, along with Nazism? :rolleyes:
This idiot doesn't care about political ideologies, as long as he's making a profit for him and his big bizniz cronies, the country could be anything for all he cares
Im disgusted by the "love" that the Vietnamese show to a man who represents and is doing the same thing in Iraq, that his predecesors did to Vietnam some 40 odd years ago
But I guess that happens when your country is trying to rub elbows and make friends around the world in order to strengthen its market a la China
Disrespecting the martyrs that died fighting the US imperialists, shits not cool

Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg
18th November 2006, 12:18
I hate Bush so much, the world would be 10 times safer if he was dead

ComradeOm
18th November 2006, 14:39
Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2006 12:18 pm
I hate Bush so much, the world would be 10 times safer if he was dead
How? Bush represents the American ruling class; nothing more and nothing less.

Incidentally there was a great picture in the paper this morning of Bush at the press conference with a bust of Ho-Chi-Min in the background.

Keyser
18th November 2006, 23:00
Yet more capitalist and right-wing propaganda from the BBC.

How is, as the article states, locking up homeless and poor 'street children' in detention centres a way of "using these concerns to apply old-fashioned communist strictures."

People rightly complain about Fox News etc, about their naked right-wing propaganda broadcasts, but don't think the BBC is any better, their coverage of the news and international events is not much better and follows a strict criteria of showing one side of the news, that side dictated by corporate interests and the views of the capitalist class.

nmlssone
18th November 2006, 23:31
Originally posted by Anarchism [email protected] 18, 2006 11:00 pm
Yet more capitalist and right-wing propaganda from the BBC.

How is, as the article states, locking up homeless and poor 'street children' in detention centres a way of "using these concerns to apply old-fashioned communist strictures."

People rightly complain about Fox News etc, about their naked right-wing propaganda broadcasts, but don't think the BBC is any better, their coverage of the news and international events is not much better and follows a strict criteria of showing one side of the news, that side dictated by corporate interests and the views of the capitalist class.
Just the fact that they consider Vietnam communist is stupid enough.

A country that is part of the WTO is not fucking communist end of story.

OneBrickOneVoice
18th November 2006, 23:58
Incidentally there was a great picture in the paper this morning of Bush at the press conference with a bust of Ho-Chi-Min in the background.

ya and that picture made me just want to shoot the Vietnamese Communist Party and th Chinese Communist Party for the sad state they have degenerated into.

Nothing Human Is Alien
19th November 2006, 00:21
People rightly complain about Fox News etc, about their naked right-wing propaganda broadcasts, but don't think the BBC is any better, their coverage of the news and international events is not much better and follows a strict criteria of showing one side of the news, that side dictated by corporate interests and the views of the capitalist class.

Exactly! But according to some English members here it's nonbiased public broadcasting :lol:

Martin Blank
19th November 2006, 01:29
Bush's trip to Vietnam did provide one interesting bit of information, though. During one of his press interviews, someone asked him if the Vietnam War had any lessons that apply to Iraq today. Bush's reply:

"We'll win ... unless we quit".

:blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:

Of all the blinkered, myopic, dumbass statements he's made over the years, I think this one takes the prize.

Miles

Tekun
19th November 2006, 12:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2006 01:29 am
Bush's trip to Vietnam did provide one interesting bit of information, though. During one of his press interviews, someone asked him if the Vietnam War had any lessons that apply to Iraq today. Bush's reply:

"We'll win ... unless we quit".

:blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink:

Of all the blinkered, myopic, dumbass statements he's made over the years, I think this one takes the prize.

Miles
Yeah I heard that, I was shocked that he said that, considering the historical parallels of Nam and Iraq

Janus
19th November 2006, 17:55
The Vietnam War is in the past and many Vietnamese now are focused on increasing Vietnam's economy which means that they do have to deal with countries such as the US, something which they bear few stigmas against.

Anyways, it looks like Vietnam is going down China's path after all.

AlwaysAnarchy
19th November 2006, 19:30
I think Vietnam is already in China's capitalist path, full steam ahead. Look at all these major international corporations working in Vietnam, remember Bill Gates coming into Vietnam and greeted with applause, now Bush coming in, WTO membership, come on, they are capitalist as they come now.

It is a shame that so many Vietnamese have gone down the capitalist road without too much protest :(

Trust me, I know Vietnamese Americans here, they LOVE the fact that Vietnam is going down the capitalist road more and more One told me that "Vietnam is not communist anymore! That is a good thing!"

I know this one Vietnamese guy who fought WITH the Americans and he says he has no problems going back there, though he hates Ho Chi Minh and company.

It&#39;s just really really sad. Vietnam has come to this: another capitalist sweatshop. Thanks Leninism&#33; <_<

Jazzratt
19th November 2006, 22:57
Originally posted by Anarchism [email protected] 18, 2006 11:00 pm
People rightly complain about Fox News etc, about their naked right-wing propaganda broadcasts, but don&#39;t think the BBC is any better, their coverage of the news and international events is not much better and follows a strict criteria of showing one side of the news, that side dictated by corporate interests and the views of the capitalist class.
In a way this makes the BBC worse than fox, because fox is fairly well known asa corporate mouthpiece but the BBC thus far has managed to make a reputation for fairness; a false image which has snared even intelligent leftists. As long as the BBC is able to play on the "unbaised" public broadcasting image it will be able to spread exactly the kind of information and attitude that their corporate &#39;masters&#39; want.

Matty_UK
20th November 2006, 01:56
Vietnam&#39;s slide into capitalism is nothing to mourn; it was never truly communist and was simply a command economy designed to build capitalism. That&#39;s it. And integration into a global economy is necassary for revolution as it unites the international working class&#39;s interests and provides the proletariat with the means for self governance, something that could not happen in agricultural 60s Vietnam.

Wanted Man
20th November 2006, 13:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2006 07:30 pm
It&#39;s just really really sad. Vietnam has come to this: another capitalist sweatshop. Thanks Leninism&#33; <_<
Wow, you really don&#39;t know what you&#39;re talking about, do you? I guess had you been in their situation, in the face of US imperialist terror, you would have said: "Comrades, let&#39;s not resist them&#33; All I&#39;m saying is, give peace a chance&#33;&#33;&#33;" Or maybe you would have been a US liberal: "I support the troops&#33; Bring them home&#33;&#33;&#33;" :lol:

I shudder to think what would have happened to Vietnam if the NLF had applied your brand of "peaceful anarchism". Not only do you give your outspoken support to the murderers that are stationed in Iraq now, but you also have the gall to tell the people who resisted those soldiers 35 years ago that they&#39;re doing something wrong? You&#39;re just another liberal racist.

By the way, this is pretty funny:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/arti...arge_over_bush/ (http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2006/11/17/ho_chi_minh_shadow_looms_large_over_bush/)


In this image-conscious country, party leaders can speak freely and be heard, but not everyone here can hear the leader of the free world.

Throughout the day, reporters from both countries were allowed to hear remarks by Vietnamese leaders, but were forced to leave when it was Bush&#39;s turn to speak.

"Out, out," officials shouted to reporters during Bush&#39;s remarks at a meeting with Nong Duc Manh, general secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam.

On the way out, though, Bush was heard congratulating the party leader on his country&#39;s entry into the World Trade Organization. He also repeated his pledge to work for passage of legislation normalizing trade relations with Vietnam.

I wish we didn&#39;t have to listen to that dumbass here.