Disney meets Karl Marx from YouTube

[cormacobear]

About time someone did this it's great.

http://plawiuk.blogspot.com/2006/11/commun...festo-toon.html (http://plawiuk.blogspot.com/2006/11/communist-manisfesto-toon.html)

[Capitalist Lawyer]

Not necessarily anti-communist as it suggests but it does paint an accurate picture of what American is about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkXTd9v56LQ

Btw: That video failed to mention our continuning escalating standards of living over the past few decades and many more to come!

[red team]

That video failed to mention our continuning escalating standards of living over the past few decades and many more to come!

For which class? In which countries? At what cost?

[Capitalist Lawyer]

For everyone. The USA. Human or financial?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 18, 2006 10:10 pm
it does paint an accurate picture of what American is about.
christ almighty
why can't we ban people for ignorance?

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 19, 2006 05:13 am
For everyone. The USA. Human or financial?
Please back that up.

I'd like to add that in the US, since 1979, housing costs have tripled, while real wages for the bottom 20% of workers remained static. In addition, 78% of low-wage workers in service jobs do not have health insurance. Both facts are from the documentary Waging a Living.

[cormacobear]

Communsists also saw their standards of living rise dramatically, however the figures ive seen suugest it's more in the 80% of americans have not seen an increase in their real wage in 3 decades, and I've seen not seen a single indication that more americans have risen in standard of living than those whove seen their standard of living decline.

So I too would be in terested in seeing your peer reviewed source for that.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

Please back that up.

Be glad to.


Finally, despite wage and income stagnation at the macro level, people continue to move up out of the working class into the middle and upper classes. According to the Census Bureau, the percentage of all households with an income below $25,000 per year (in 2005 dollars) fell to 27.1 percent last year, from 27.6 percent in 2004. In 1995, 28.9 percent fell into this income class. In 1985, the percentage was 30.5 percent. In 1975m it was 33.1 percent.

At the same time, the percentage of households that are considered well-to-do -- those with an income above $75,000 (in 2005 dollars) -- rose to 28.3 percent last year, from 27.9 percent in 2004. In 1995, only 24.4 percent of households had that much income, up from 20.2 percent in 1985 and 14 percent in 1975.

In short, despite all the talk about the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor, the fact is that the percentage of households with low incomes has fallen and the percentage of those with high incomes has risen.

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/BruceBa...s_of_stagnation (http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/BruceBartlett/2006/09/26/wages_of_stagnation)



why can't we ban people for ignorance?

Oh really? What was inaccurate about it?

You guys continue to paint the USA and other similar countries as these "despotic hell holes" that treat people like utter shit.

It's simply not true!

We send more people to high school and college more so than any other nation. There's food and jobs everywhere. There's assistance if you need it and we bend over backwards for women and minorities in areas of work and education.

Countries like ours know how to treat people.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 19, 2006 09:37 pm

Please back that up.

Be glad to.


Finally, despite wage and income stagnation at the macro level, people continue to move up out of the working class into the middle and upper classes. According to the Census Bureau, the percentage of all households with an income below $25,000 per year (in 2005 dollars) fell to 27.1 percent last year, from 27.6 percent in 2004. In 1995, 28.9 percent fell into this income class. In 1985, the percentage was 30.5 percent. In 1975m it was 33.1 percent.

At the same time, the percentage of households that are considered well-to-do -- those with an income above $75,000 (in 2005 dollars) -- rose to 28.3 percent last year, from 27.9 percent in 2004. In 1995, only 24.4 percent of households had that much income, up from 20.2 percent in 1985 and 14 percent in 1975.

In short, despite all the talk about the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor, the fact is that the percentage of households with low incomes has fallen and the percentage of those with high incomes has risen.

The reality is quite different.

"Despite a growing economy, a rising stock market and stronger corporate earnings that are helping the rich get richer, the middle class in America is caught in an unprecedented squeeze that makes it increasingly unstable, the study's authors say. The financial declines each year since 2001 have been dramatic..."
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Savin...gOnTheEdge.aspx (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SavingandDebt/SaveMoney/MiddleClassLivingOnTheEdge.aspx)

"Two researchers have found that millions of middle-income families are in deep financial trouble or only breaking even.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A...anguage=printer (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A311-2004Jan31?language=printer)

"The number of Americans living in poverty jumped to 35.9 million last year, up by 1.3 million, while the number of those without health care insurance rose to 45 million from 43.6 million in 2002, the U.S. government said in a report Thursday."
http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/26/news/economy/poverty_survey/

"The number of people classed as poor in the US has increased - despite strong economic growth, say official figures."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4198668.stm


Oh really? What was inaccurate about it?

You guys continue to paint the USA and other similar countries as these "despotic hell holes" that treat people like utter shit.

It's simply not true!

We send more people to high school and college more so than any other nation. There's food and jobs everywhere. There's assistance if you need it and we bend over backwards for women and minorities in areas of work and education.

Countries like ours know how to treat people.

The fact is that the US invades other countries for absolutely no reason (other than to exploit natural resources), topples TRULY democratic governments for economic self-interest, suppresses dissent at every turn, lets the rich get richer while poverty spreads, subjects people to a ridiculous "justice" system and a pathetic healthcare system and worse. The fact is that the US is an oligarchy, which protects the interests of the few at the expense of the many. People work long hours for next to nothing (if not nothing), while their employers make billions off of their sweat and blood. Single mothers can't afford heat or water, or get thrown out of their homes in spite of that second or third job they took.

Education? Give me a break. Our education system is among the worst in the western world, our high schools are terrible and most colleges cost a fortune. I've worked in aid programs in the inner city, and a big problem there is people FREEZING to death in their homes. Where's their "assistance"? Oh, and those "women" get far worse wages than men do for the same jobs with the same experience, while those "minorities" are routinely screwed over in a multitude of ways.

Countries "like ours" are rife with unending injustice.

[Marx Lenin Stalin]

This is a useful tool to teach young people the benefits of Marxism.

[Capitalist Lawyer]

The fact is that the US is an oligarchy, which protects the interests of the few at the expense of the many. People work long hours for next to nothing (if not nothing), while their employers make billions off of their sweat and blood. Single mothers can't afford heat or water, or get thrown out of their homes in spite of that second or third job they took.

Marxists and communists like you have fabricated a so-called "war" between the haves and have nots. Social mobility is what is going on here; whether it's up or down.

According to you marxists-communists, can this NOT continue indefintely?

I'm having trouble understanding your views about human socities.

Everytime we have a discussion, I hear all the time about the gap between the rich and poor growing. Its supposed to create class envy. Its an irrelevant stat. The important thing is the absolute wealth level of the poorest, not the relative wealth of the poor vs. the rich. As long as the little guy is getting along well who care how rich the ultra rich are? (communists do, that's who). The standard of living for the poor in America is higher than anywhere else in the world. We are also the most capitalistic big country in the world. Coincidence?

Perhaps someday we'll have a true Laissez-Faire capitalist economy where there's no corporate or human welfare, no Federal dept of education, labor, environment, etc....no federal medicare and medicaid, no student aid, county and state governments and their voters should dictate on such policies, no safety regulations, and finally...no government intervention into the economy!

Take the "robber barons" for instance and if you look closely, the actual robber barons were those who were recipients of government interventions; like the subsidized railways.

How exactly is "proletarain revolution" inevitable again?

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 24, 2006 07:42 pm
Marxists and communists like you have fabricated a so-called "war" between the haves and have nots. Social mobility is what is going on here; whether it's up or down.

According to you marxists-communists, can this NOT continue indefintely?

I'm having trouble understanding your views about human socities.

"Fabricated" class conlflict? Don't make me laugh. Look at the relationship between rich and poor and this is clear enough. "Social mobility"? Capitalism establishes and solidifies the powerful and wealthy, and the rest are forced to work for them. Do some poor people become rich? Yes, but they are few in number and getting fewer everyday. Furthermore, it is NOT due to "hard work" that they become rich, it is due to their successful exploitation of others and manipulation of the economy. Moreoever, the same system keeps practically all the poor poor, so they must work for the rich.

So no, this cannot continue indefinitely.


Everytime we have a discussion, I hear all the time about the gap between the rich and poor growing. Its supposed to create class envy. Its an irrelevant stat. The important thing is the absolute wealth level of the poorest, not the relative wealth of the poor vs. the rich. As long as the little guy is getting along well who care how rich the ultra rich are? (communists do, that's who).

The gap between rich and poor is growing, and it is far from irrelevant. When you have a society in which those with money are making more and more money, and those without money are being subjected to unending hardship, that is patently unjust. The effects of this growing gap are difficult to overestimate.

The little guy isn't getting along, and that's the point. When people are freezing to death, when people are forced out of their homes or have their water shut off no matter how many jobs they work and worse, that is NOT getting along. Perhaps you should take a peek at the standard of living for the poor in this country before you make such insipid comments. Furthermore, ANY disparity between those who work and those who make money off of those who work is unfair and wrong and must be done away with. It's called an equitable community, something capitalists such as yourself scorn.


The standard of living for the poor in America is higher than anywhere else in the world. We are also the most capitalistic big country in the world. Coincidence?

No, that is wrong, period. Countries with socialistic policies, such as the Scandanavian nations (not to mention Canada, among others), have better standards of living for the poor. The US is a first-world country with third-world poverty. Oh, and we're also the most imperialistic country in the world by far. Coincidence?


Perhaps someday we'll have a true Laissez-Faire capitalist economy where there's no corporate or human welfare, no Federal dept of education, labor, environment, etc....no federal medicare and medicaid, no student aid, county and state governments and their voters should dictate on such policies, no safety regulations, and finally...no government intervention into the economy!

Take the "robber barons" for instance and if you look closely, the actual robber barons were those who were recipients of government interventions; like the subsidized railways.

How exactly is "proletarain revolution" inevitable again?

Do you really believe the garbage you're writing? That society would be both ineffective and undeniably unjust. The "free market" means free exploitation and the ability for the few to use and abuse the many. The free market means people's necessities and dignity are disregarded in favor of greed. The free market does not care about anything other than profit for the rich, and a society that runs through the free market will see this and nothing more. What you are arguing for is worse than feudalism on crack.

The robber barons ran the government, they were "recipients" of their own corrupt gifts. This just goes to show that the free market benefits only the elite at the expense of everyone else.

Oh, and to every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Create an unjust society, and you will see a revolution against that very injustice.