red army has raipd german women in berlin

[hoffer]

when the nazis where defaeted at stalingrad they retreadit the red army was going to win the war and after two yaers of hard figting they capured berlin the city of nazi madness in berlin soldiers of the red army where plundering the city and where raiping the german women is this justis or is this another mistake of the red army ? i think its justis but its also amistake wat do you think? excuse me for my bad englisch.

[chamo]

I don't know if this is true but I think it would be a mistake for any army to make.

It is definetly not justice, rape is one of the worst crimes and war crimes that there is. All that the German woman had done was live under Nazi rule and oppression.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

It's true, the Soviet soldiers did rape German civilian women and looted a lot. There was even a day on which the soldiers were free to loot, rape, kill as much as they wanted.

But US soldiers and all the others looted, raped and killed too. There are even cases in which commanders of American POW camps gave the German POW's too little food, on purpose. To starve them! Ofcourse not one of them got punished.

But name a war in which there was no looting, no killing, no raping by the "good side". (good side is the side which won andso blames everything on the other.)

It's certainly not justice to violate a woman's integrity by raping. They are not goods, they are just as humans, ofcourse we would "mind" it too if we were assbanged by some US marine or Soviet soldier.

Ofcourse the nazi's (loosers) got punished and the Allies not. It proofs that people are in thinking just as primitive as 5 million years ago, according the principe, the strongest gets everything. It's a shame that we still don't have overcome that.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Get the book named Berlin: the downfall of 1945 or something like that. It tells all about it....

Any Russian soldiers that looted were shot on sight.

[smoer]

don't think Russian soldiers are the only bad soldiers.
almost every country had his soldiers ho raped and killed for nothing.And you now what hte worst thing is ?
They didn't get sued because it was wartime

[Conghaileach]

Throughout history, when the army of one nation invades or occupies another nation, looting, raping and the like seem to be commonplace.

[chamo]

It is likely that the "horny soldiers" will want to go to port after their time in celebracy (unless there's something going on in the officer's cabin)

However, it is up to the country to ensure that rapings do not happen and it is a rather common thing of every military to be doing after they have won and if they are the victors they would get little attention for the "liberation" they have completed.

If, however, the Red Army was let to roam, loot, murder and rape at their will outside the normal rules of war then I would bring it into question.

No raping is ever justice, hoffer seems to think ruining innocent women's lives is because they've been living under an enemy's dictatorship for the past 20 years.

[thursday night]

My grandmother was in Berlin when the Red Army conquered it. She had to trim her hair and hide in a cellar to prevent the Soviet volunteers from raping her. Of course this is entirely wrong and disgusting, however we must keep two important things in mind. First, the average soldier in the Red Army at the time was a Mongol from the Far East, a basic barbarian who was handed a weapon and sent to fight – most everybody else had died. Second, the Axis invasion of the Soviet Union and the countries of Eastern Europe had caused similar atrocities and as CiaranB said: “Throughout history, when the army of one nation invades or occupies another nation, looting, raping and the like seem to be commonplace.”

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from thursday night on 12:08 am on April 26, 2003
My grandmother was in Berlin when the Red Army conquered it. She had to trim her hair and hide in a cellar to prevent the Soviet volunteers from raping her. Of course this is entirely wrong and disgusting, however we must keep two important things in mind. First, the average soldier in the Red Army at the time was a Mongol from the Far East, a basic barbarian who was handed a weapon and sent to fight – most everybody else had died. Second, the Axis invasion of the Soviet Union and the countries of Eastern Europe had caused similar atrocities and as CiaranB said: “Throughout history, when the army of one nation invades or occupies another nation, looting, raping and the like seem to be commonplace.”

Why is a mongol a baisc (?!) barbarian?!

[thursday night]

In the 1940s they were decades behind the rest of Russia. From the far far East they were basically primitives.

[smoer]

yeah they lived like de celts here in -500
so it were not the russians who raped?

[chamo]

The would have been nomads. There are still many nomadic tribes in Russian, Mongolia and Kazakstan.

It was the Red Army who raped, the nationality of the soldiers does not matter, it is up to the military to ensure war crimes do not happen. Like Ciarán said, alot of armies do this after winning.

[victor 89]

I Think it is normale that when you are 3 years in war and you've bin in Stalingrad during the war, you rape woman and kill nazi people. Also the americans did it but there where better organisized than the soviets.

[hoffer]

my friend smoer said that a few guys can speak dutch and flemish if somebody give a response please talk dutch

[chamo]

I think it would be better to have a conversation in which everyone could par-take in, i.e: in English.

[hoffer]

ok my excuses we must al talk englisch

[redstar2000]

I think it is interesting that rape is rarely reported by revolutionary armies while being commonplace among regular armies.

This suggests that the "Red Army" was not very red after all. And it raises the question, why not?

That is, why did not Stalin and the CPSU make it clear to Russian soldiers that they were fighting a revolutionary war and not simply a "traditional" war of defense against imperialist aggression?

Is it because they weren't? And if that's the case, then one must ask louder WHY NOT?

:cool:

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Stalin's pact with Hitler and his invasion of both Finland and east Poland proofs immenantly that he was nationalistic at the time and in some ways even imperialistic.

Operation Barbarosa was a punishment for Stalin for trusting facists, but the suffering hasn't been done by the ignorant Stalin or the coward Hitler, but by the Soviet population.

[hoffer]

cccp thats dame good saded