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Red October
16th November 2006, 21:56
BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- Online encyclopedia Wikipedia was accessible again in China on Thursday after being blocked for more than a year, a move hailed by free media advocacy group Reporters Without Borders.

The main page of the Chinese-language version of Wikipedia (zh.wikipedia.org) could be displayed and searches for apolitical terms turned up results, but searches for subjects taboo to China's Communist leadership, such as "June 4", remained blocked.

June 4, 1989, was the date that China's military crushed a student-led movement for political change centered on Beijing's Tiananmen Square, killing hundreds and possibly thousands. The incident remains among the most sensitive subjects for the country's state-controlled media.

China routinely blocks access to Web sites it deems subversive and filters Internet pages for sensitive words.

It was unclear why Wikipedia, blocked since October 2005, was again accessible.

A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said she had not heard of reports regarding Wikipedia, but added that China supports the development of the Internet and now has 123 million users, making it the world's second-largest Internet market.

"We manage the Internet according to our laws and regulations. This is the usual practice for all the countries in the world," spokeswoman Jiang Yu told a news conference.

Rights groups have accused Western Internet companies of compromising their principles by censoring searches and blog titles in order to do business in China.

But Reporters Without Borders said the example of Wikipedia, whose founder Jimmy Wales has preached a strategy of patience in dealing with Chinese authorities, showed that if a foreign company stood firm, Beijing would eventually yield.

"The Chinese government is pragmatic and does not want to do without foreign businesses in the Internet sector," the Paris-based group said in a statement. "There is therefore obviously room for negotiation for the U.S. companies."

Despite the ban on Wikipedia, which anyone can edit, a small community of Chinese users had used proxy servers and other tricks to gain access to the site.

Analysts have said it was not only the encyclopedia's content that worried the Chinese government, but Wikipedia's open editorial process, which they say has a community-building effect among armchair editors who can quickly mobilize to create content.

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Nothing Human Is Alien
16th November 2006, 22:52
Fuck "Reporters Without Borders". They're no "free media advocacy group," they're an agent of the imperialists. See this for more. (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fpm/page.php?218)

Janus
16th November 2006, 22:59
Yeah, Chinese participation on Wikipedia really slumped as a result. There was another site called Baidu that replaced Wikipedia as the dominant encyclopedia site for a while and it was gov. friendly.

gilhyle
16th November 2006, 23:18
Remember all that nonsense about the internet as anarchy in action ....freedom...blah blah.....How do the Chinese block website ?

chimx
17th November 2006, 00:03
i imagine the server providers are publicly owned, and thus are controlled by the chinese government. or, they are in control of the major routers in the country.

gilhyle
17th November 2006, 21:54
I thought the whole point of the internet that messages were routed at random through the system and didnt come through funnel points - if they do, makes you wonder about all that stuff about child porn on the net being uncontrollable.

Leif
18th November 2006, 00:08
Hm, the link to the Free people's Movement took a while.
Anyhow, I believe Wikipedia is a weapon of freedom.

chimx
18th November 2006, 01:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2006 09:54 pm
I thought the whole point of the internet that messages were routed at random through the system and didnt come through funnel points - if they do, makes you wonder about all that stuff about child porn on the net being uncontrollable.
there are a few dozen funnel points in the US, usually associated with universities.

JazzRemington
19th November 2006, 05:32
Apparently the unrestriction was short lived. I just read CHina reblocked wikipedia.

anarchista feminista
21st November 2006, 02:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2006 03:32 pm
Apparently the unrestriction was short lived. I just read CHina reblocked wikipedia.
Ah is this true? Can we find out for sure. This is pretty crazy. My school has all of these blocks set up and my friend and I collected the different messages that come up. One was Forbidden! This site is classified as tasteless/gross. A bit off topic but the internet should be freeeeeeeeeeee.

Janus
24th November 2006, 21:59
Ah is this true? Can we find out for sure.
Here.

Wikipedia in China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_China)

Joby
25th November 2006, 18:17
I just heard it's impossible to search words like "Democracy" on any engine.

Also, any search for "Tinammen Square" will leave out any and all revolutionary (or, counterrevolutionary) info. Also, the vast majority of the population doesn't know anything happened.

Anybody know anything?

Janus
26th November 2006, 19:33
I just heard it's impossible to search words like "Democracy" on any engine.
Not really. Democracy is too broad a topic, rather more specific topics such as the Tian An Men protests and June 4 return only neutral results.


Also, the vast majority of the population doesn't know anything happened.
Most of the Internet community is aware of this and reports on it whenever possible.

Freedom?
4th December 2006, 08:42
Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2006 06:17 pm
I just heard it's impossible to search words like "Democracy" on any engine.

Also, any search for "Tinammen Square" will leave out any and all revolutionary (or, counterrevolutionary) info. Also, the vast majority of the population doesn't know anything happened.

Anybody know anything?
whenever you search tienemen sqare in china it comes up with peoples holidays and its always taught in universitys that nothing happened there and everytime it comes up that there was gunfire on the night they are told there was some test firing or some shit like that. i dont know if that helps but its all i know.

Janus
6th December 2006, 21:22
whenever you search tienemen sqare in china it comes up with peoples holidays
It usually just reveals normal pics of Tian An Men Square.


and its always taught in universitys that nothing happened there
Never heard that before nor do I think they even have a reason to cover such a topic in university. I'm pretty sure that the history textbooks just pretty much ignore it.

liberdade
8th December 2006, 00:09
i think this is a starting point. A lot of changes need to be made in china, but the fact that they unblocked it is an excellent development

Janus
8th December 2006, 00:42
No one's sure why Wikipedia was briefly unblocked. It seems most probable that it was an error of some sort.

Zero
9th December 2006, 19:23
Probably afraid of their newspeak gaining oldspeak slang.

Red October
11th December 2006, 15:30
Originally posted by Freedom?+December 04, 2006 03:42 am--> (Freedom? @ December 04, 2006 03:42 am)
[email protected] 25, 2006 06:17 pm
I just heard it's impossible to search words like "Democracy" on any engine.

Also, any search for "Tinammen Square" will leave out any and all revolutionary (or, counterrevolutionary) info. Also, the vast majority of the population doesn't know anything happened.

Anybody know anything?
whenever you search tienemen sqare in china it comes up with peoples holidays and its always taught in universitys that nothing happened there and everytime it comes up that there was gunfire on the night they are told there was some test firing or some shit like that. i dont know if that helps but its all i know. [/b]
a chinese exchange student (who was the child of CCP members) came to my international relations class where we have a large blowup of the famous tnak man photo and the kid denied it was real. he said the picture was forged with a computer.