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bcbm
16th November 2006, 15:35
Miller Brewing Company's workers are preparing to strike as the company is attempting to force them to roll back their health care, pensions, and annual raise.

Till this is over... no scab beer.

Miller employees authorize STRIKE!

Clerical staff and shipping and receiving employees of Miller Brewing Co. on Tuesday night "overwhelmingly" authorized a strike if a new labor agreement can't be reached.

The workers are represented by the Office & Professional Employees International Union Local 35. The union didn't release the vote tally, but stated that nearly all of the 120 employees in the bargaining unit favored the strike authorization.


A prior contract expired in April. A series of short-term contract extensions have been enacted since then, the most recent of which expires on Wednesday.

A series of contract proposals, which have included a proposed pension freeze, minimal annual pay raises and increased employee contributions for health care insurance, have been deemed unacceptable by the employees' bargaining committee.

"We just can't afford it," said Judy Burnick, Local 35 business manager.

The majority of the employees in the bargaining unit are women who have been employed at Miller for more than 20 years, Burnick said.

Jan Wilson, the union's chief steward and a Miller employee for 29 years, said the proposed pension freeze is the main issue among the union members.

Linda Lokken, an accounts receivable clerk who has worked at Miller for 31 years, has to work nearly 10 more years before becoming eligible to retire, making the pension issue a top concern for her and a main reason she favored authorizing the union to call a strike if negotiations don't progress.

"It seems like the company is telling us that they don't want an older work force," said Lokken, who attended a meeting conducted by the union at a hall at 633 S. Hawley Road Tuesday night.

"After all the time I've given to the company, it's pretty sad," she said.

Miller management has declined to comment on the specifics of the negotiations but has repeatedly stated that it is working toward an agreement that will be satisfactory to both parties and "ensure the long-term success" of the company.

Miller management and the union met with a federal mediator on Nov. 7 and Nov. 8, but the meetings failed to lead to a new agreement.

Union leaders stated that they planned to inform the mediator of the results of the vote.Miller Brewing Company's workers are preparing to strike as the company is attempting to force them to roll back their health care, pensions, and annual raise.

Here's there list of brands!
Miller Lite
Miller Genuine Draft
Miller Genuine Draft Light
Miller High Life
Miller High Life Light
Sharp's non-alcohol brew


Red Dog
Icehouse 5.0
Icehouse 5.5
Icehouse Light
Southpaw Light

Leinenkugel's Original
Leinenkugel's Light
Leinenkugel's Red Lager
Leinenkugel's Honey Weiss
Leinenkugel's Apple Spice (seasonal)
Leinenkugel's Berry Weiss
Leinenkugel's Oktoberfest (seasonal)
Leinenkugel's Creamy Dark
Leinenkugel's Big Butt Doppelbock (seasonal)
Leinenkugel's Sunset Wheat


Henry Weinhard's Private Reserve
Henry Weinhard's Blue Boar Pale Ale
Henry Weinhard's Classic Dark
Henry Weinhard's Northwest Trail Blonde Lager
Henry Weinhard's Hefeweizen
Henry Weinhard's Summer Wheat


Hamm's
Hamm's Draft
Hamm's Special Light
Olde English 800 Malt Liquor
Olde English HG800
Olde English HG800 7.5
Magnum Malt Liquor
Mickey's Malt Liquor
Mickey's Ice
Milwaukee's Best
Milwaukee's Best Light
Milwaukee's Best Ice


Foster's Lager
Foster's Special Bitter
Peroni Nastro Azzurro
Pilsner Urquell
Sheaf Stout

Sparks
Sparks Light
Sparks Plus 7%
Sparks Plus 6%
Steel Reserve Triple Export 8.1%
Steel Reserve High Gravity
Steel Reserve High Gravity 6.0
Steel Six

KC
16th November 2006, 15:46
Glad I switched over to Bud as the beer-of-choice.

Sadena Meti
16th November 2006, 15:58
Nothing that can't be avoided. If you were to ask me to give up Guinness... fuck the class struggle, I need my Guinness. "See what one or tuocan do!"

Phalanx
16th November 2006, 17:00
Damn, Miller was my cheap beer of choice. At least I still have Heineken.

Does this strike only apply to their Milwaukee breweries?

Forward Union
16th November 2006, 17:09
No more fosters :o you're fucking joking!

...im more of an alcopop person, but I don't know if this will work :(

TupacAndChe4Eva
16th November 2006, 17:37
Jack Daniels drinker anyway, at least until the drugs kick in.

Nothing Human Is Alien
16th November 2006, 17:48
What kind of a communist can't refrain from drinking a brand of beer in solidarity with other workers? Pathetic.

ComradeOm
16th November 2006, 17:56
Rejoice&#33; Once the alocohol stops flowing the workers will be able to focus on the more important things like revolution&#33; Anarchy & Alcohol (http://www.crimethinc.com/downloads/source/wasted.pdf) <_<
Back in the groove...

Pawn Power
16th November 2006, 17:57
Is there a link or did your write this BBBG?

C_Rasmussen
16th November 2006, 18:13
I dont quite understand whats going on here? Not suppose to drink a Miller product or something? ..........and for what reasons?

ComradeOm
16th November 2006, 18:19
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 06:13 pm
I dont quite understand whats going on here? Not suppose to drink a Miller product or something? ..........and for what reasons?
I suppose its too much to ask that you&#39;ve actually paid any attention of working class politics in the time I&#39;ve been absent from the site? In particular I&#39;d be interested in whether you&#39;ve yet to learn the significance of the strike.

C_Rasmussen
16th November 2006, 18:29
Originally posted by ComradeOm+November 16, 2006 12:19 pm--> (ComradeOm @ November 16, 2006 12:19 pm)
[email protected] 16, 2006 06:13 pm
I dont quite understand whats going on here? Not suppose to drink a Miller product or something? ..........and for what reasons?
I suppose its too much to ask that you&#39;ve actually paid any attention of working class politics in the time I&#39;ve been absent from the site? In particular I&#39;d be interested in whether you&#39;ve yet to learn the significance of the strike. [/b]
Knowing what/why the fuck is going on first and foremost would be nice...........then again I dont really watch the news often.

loveme4whoiam
16th November 2006, 18:32
How about reading the initial post C Rasmussen? Your questions are answered up there.

I shall of course refrain from drinking Fosters - most of the other stuff isn&#39;t sold this side of the pond. Generally I&#39;m a vodka drinker myself - for beers its either San Miguel, or Biddenden&#39;s cider (8% apple juice :D), but I shall still avoid Miller&#39;s produce.

Jazzratt
16th November 2006, 18:34
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 06:13 pm
I dont quite understand whats going on here? Not suppose to drink a Miller product or something? ..........and for what reasons?
It&#39;s quite simple. THe brewing companay are a bunch of ****s, their employees are striking therefore drinking the beer "made" by those companies (made is in quotation marks for the obvious reason that they&#39;ve actually made fuck all but debt tokens) is the act of a scab class traitor.

Thankfully I don&#39;t drink any of that shite anyway, but even if I was the biggest Fosters drinker ever I would still give it up in the name of solidarity.

ComradeOm
16th November 2006, 18:37
Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+November 16, 2006 06:29 pm--> (C_Rasmussen @ November 16, 2006 06:29 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 12:19 pm

[email protected] 16, 2006 06:13 pm
I dont quite understand whats going on here? Not suppose to drink a Miller product or something? ..........and for what reasons?
I suppose its too much to ask that you&#39;ve actually paid any attention of working class politics in the time I&#39;ve been absent from the site? In particular I&#39;d be interested in whether you&#39;ve yet to learn the significance of the strike.
Knowing what/why the fuck is going on first and foremost would be nice...........then again I dont really watch the news often. [/b]
Here&#39;s a summary:

Miller Brewing Company&#39;s workers are preparing to strike as the company is attempting to force them to roll back their health care, pensions, and annual raise.

Now I&#39;ll understand if you were too busy dwelling on why life in general, and sex in particular, is so terrible to actually read that far down.

Graham_Pogo
16th November 2006, 18:43
shit. Old E and Spraks?

Guess I&#39;ll have to switch to colt and tilt.

Jazzratt
16th November 2006, 18:45
Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 16, 2006 05:48 pm
What kind of a communist can&#39;t refrain from drinking a brand of beer in solidarity with other workers? Pathetic.
I just read this and it&#39;s very true. What&#39;s even more sad is some of these &#39;leftists&#39; have given up fast food or carbonated drinks in the same name but somehow find it hard to cut out a few types of beer.

Wanted Man
16th November 2006, 18:49
What kind of complete and total dumbass would drink that kind of swill, anyway? Or Bud, or Heineken, for that matter. If you find this difficult, go drink some real beer, and never look back.

KC
16th November 2006, 18:50
Does this strike only apply to their Milwaukee breweries?


No. None of the breweries in Milwaukee are striking.

C_Rasmussen
16th November 2006, 19:01
Originally posted by Khayembii [email protected] 16, 2006 12:50 pm


Does this strike only apply to their Milwaukee breweries?


No. None of the breweries in Milwaukee are striking.
GOOD&#33; Seeing as Miller is about the only beer I drink.........and some Budweiser too.

@ The others in regards to me: I get it now but thankfully the strikes aren&#39;t happening.

Nothing Human Is Alien
16th November 2006, 19:09
Thanfully strikes aren&#39;t happening? WTF, are you an investor in Miller or something?

Guerrilla22
16th November 2006, 19:10
Miller is piss anyways.

C_Rasmussen
16th November 2006, 19:11
Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 16, 2006 01:09 pm
Thanfully strikes aren&#39;t happening? WTF, are you an investor in Miller or something?
Its just so the beer wouldn&#39;t be pulled off the market. Now sure thats a shallow reason and I do agree with their reasons for wanting to strike (and dont really blame them if they do).....just...well you know my reasons.

Jazzratt
16th November 2006, 19:18
Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+November 16, 2006 07:11 pm--> (C_Rasmussen @ November 16, 2006 07:11 pm)
Compañ[email protected] 16, 2006 01:09 pm
Thanfully strikes aren&#39;t happening? WTF, are you an investor in Miller or something?
Its just so the beer wouldn&#39;t be pulled off the market. Now sure thats a shallow reason and I do agree with their reasons for wanting to strike (and dont really blame them if they do).....just...well you know my reasons. [/b]
Dude that&#39;s weak as shit. You wouldn&#39;t support the workers taking action just because you couldn&#39;t then induldge in your own selfishness. I mean for fuck&#39;s sake, we&#39;re not saying don&#39;t drink any beer at all, you could buy some fucking ale or something.

You sir are an anti worker scab of the highest fucking order.

Guerrilla22
16th November 2006, 19:22
Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+November 16, 2006 07:01 pm--> (C_Rasmussen @ November 16, 2006 07:01 pm)
Khayembii [email protected] 16, 2006 12:50 pm


Does this strike only apply to their Milwaukee breweries?


No. None of the breweries in Milwaukee are striking.
GOOD&#33; Seeing as Miller is about the only beer I drink.........and some Budweiser too.

@ The others in regards to me: I get it now but thankfully the strikes aren&#39;t happening. [/b]
Come on C_Rass, there&#39;s about a million other beers out there to indulge in, if the workers over at Miller are striking, then support their action and don&#39;t buy Miller.

ComradeOm
16th November 2006, 19:23
Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+November 16, 2006 07:11 pm--> (C_Rasmussen @ November 16, 2006 07:11 pm)
Compañ[email protected] 16, 2006 01:09 pm
Thanfully strikes aren&#39;t happening? WTF, are you an investor in Miller or something?
Its just so the beer wouldn&#39;t be pulled off the market. Now sure thats a shallow reason and I do agree with their reasons for wanting to strike (and dont really blame them if they do).....just...well you know my reasons. [/b]
Indeed. We all know your reasons. What I&#39;m not sure on though is why you either pretend to be interested in communism or haven&#39;t been restricted/banned by now. A real puzzler that one.

C_Rasmussen
16th November 2006, 19:23
Originally posted by Jazzratt+November 16, 2006 01:18 pm--> (Jazzratt &#064; November 16, 2006 01:18 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 07:11 pm

Compañ[email protected] 16, 2006 01:09 pm
Thanfully strikes aren&#39;t happening? WTF, are you an investor in Miller or something?
Its just so the beer wouldn&#39;t be pulled off the market. Now sure thats a shallow reason and I do agree with their reasons for wanting to strike (and dont really blame them if they do).....just...well you know my reasons.
Dude that&#39;s weak as shit. You wouldn&#39;t support the workers taking action just because you couldn&#39;t then induldge in your own selfishness. I mean for fuck&#39;s sake, we&#39;re not saying don&#39;t drink any beer at all, you could buy some fucking ale or something.

You sir are an anti worker scab of the highest fucking order. [/b]
No its not that I dont support it so much (because I do) but its more or less if it does I&#39;d be looked down on for drinking that said brewery&#39;s products. That and I dont really know where to look for ales and most of what I drink comes from Miller to begin with but if it has to happen its understandable.

.........and don&#39;t jump to conclusions about me either <_<



@ CO: Just read this post for better clarification.

Guerrilla22
16th November 2006, 19:34
That and I dont really know where to look for ales
Possibly a liquor store?

C_Rasmussen
16th November 2006, 19:39
Originally posted by Guerrilla22+November 16, 2006 01:22 pm--> (Guerrilla22 @ November 16, 2006 01:22 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 07:01 pm

Khayembii [email protected] 16, 2006 12:50 pm


Does this strike only apply to their Milwaukee breweries?


No. None of the breweries in Milwaukee are striking.
GOOD&#33; Seeing as Miller is about the only beer I drink.........and some Budweiser too.

@ The others in regards to me: I get it now but thankfully the strikes aren&#39;t happening.
Come on C_Rass, there&#39;s about a million other beers out there to indulge in, if the workers over at Miller are striking, then support their action and don&#39;t buy Miller. [/b]
Ok I&#39;ll look into other brands for the time being if they do strike. Obviously Bud is the Miller counterpart so how brands of Bud are out there? But yeah I drink other shit too like Heineken, Becks, Corona, and other imports.

Guerrilla22
16th November 2006, 19:40
Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+November 16, 2006 07:39 pm--> (C_Rasmussen @ November 16, 2006 07:39 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 01:22 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 07:01 pm

Khayembii [email protected] 16, 2006 12:50 pm


Does this strike only apply to their Milwaukee breweries?


No. None of the breweries in Milwaukee are striking.
GOOD&#33; Seeing as Miller is about the only beer I drink.........and some Budweiser too.

@ The others in regards to me: I get it now but thankfully the strikes aren&#39;t happening.
Come on C_Rass, there&#39;s about a million other beers out there to indulge in, if the workers over at Miller are striking, then support their action and don&#39;t buy Miller.
Ok I&#39;ll look into other brands for the time being if they do strike. Obviously Bud is the Miller counterpart so how brands of Bud are out there? But yeah I drink other shit too like Heineken, Becks, Corona, and other imports. [/b]
What about local brewed stuff. There&#39;s gotta be a whole lot of that in Wisconsin.

C_Rasmussen
16th November 2006, 19:47
Originally posted by Guerrilla22+November 16, 2006 01:40 pm--> (Guerrilla22 @ November 16, 2006 01:40 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 07:39 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 01:22 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 07:01 pm

Khayembii [email protected] 16, 2006 12:50 pm


Does this strike only apply to their Milwaukee breweries?


No. None of the breweries in Milwaukee are striking.
GOOD&#33; Seeing as Miller is about the only beer I drink.........and some Budweiser too.

@ The others in regards to me: I get it now but thankfully the strikes aren&#39;t happening.
Come on C_Rass, there&#39;s about a million other beers out there to indulge in, if the workers over at Miller are striking, then support their action and don&#39;t buy Miller.
Ok I&#39;ll look into other brands for the time being if they do strike. Obviously Bud is the Miller counterpart so how brands of Bud are out there? But yeah I drink other shit too like Heineken, Becks, Corona, and other imports.
What about local brewed stuff. There&#39;s gotta be a whole lot of that in Wisconsin. [/b]
The closest thing I can think of offhand would be LaBatt Blue in Canada which is pretty damn good.

Guerrilla22
16th November 2006, 19:50
Do they sell bell&#39;s over there? http://www.bellsbeer.com/

Jazzratt
16th November 2006, 19:52
Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+November 16, 2006 07:23 pm--> (C_Rasmussen @ November 16, 2006 07:23 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 01:18 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 07:11 pm

Compañ[email protected] 16, 2006 01:09 pm
Thanfully strikes aren&#39;t happening? WTF, are you an investor in Miller or something?
Its just so the beer wouldn&#39;t be pulled off the market. Now sure thats a shallow reason and I do agree with their reasons for wanting to strike (and dont really blame them if they do).....just...well you know my reasons.
Dude that&#39;s weak as shit. You wouldn&#39;t support the workers taking action just because you couldn&#39;t then induldge in your own selfishness. I mean for fuck&#39;s sake, we&#39;re not saying don&#39;t drink any beer at all, you could buy some fucking ale or something.

You sir are an anti worker scab of the highest fucking order.
No its not that I dont support it so much (because I do) but its more or less if it does I&#39;d be looked down on for drinking that said brewery&#39;s products. [/b]
You know the easy way around that don&#39;t you? DON&#39;T DRINK MILLER&#39;S BEER DURING THE STRIKE. It&#39;s not that fucking hard. Most of it tastes like piss anyway.


That and I dont really know where to look for ales Try the offy. I don&#39;t beleive for a second that when you go into an off liscence or supermarket or wherever you get your booze from they only have ONE breweries beer and even if that&#39;s the case you can get some very cheap wines or spirits.
and most of what I drink comes from Miller to begin with but if it has to happen its understandable. Look, you can change what you drink for the duration of a strike surely? But at least I see you would actually support this now.


.........and don&#39;t jump to conclusions about me either <_< You only need to do this "..." for ellipses. Also, given the evidence that was a fairly logical conclusion to come to. Thankfully I now see you&#39;re just an idiot, not a scab.

ComradeOm
16th November 2006, 20:02
Its such a tragedy, a real struggle… what can Rasmussen find to drink? You&#39;d almost think that people&#39;s jobs were on the line here <_<

Phalanx
16th November 2006, 20:06
Originally posted by C_Rasmussen+November 16, 2006 07:11 pm--> (C_Rasmussen &#064; November 16, 2006 07:11 pm)
Compañ[email protected] 16, 2006 01:09 pm
Thanfully strikes aren&#39;t happening? WTF, are you an investor in Miller or something?
Its just so the beer wouldn&#39;t be pulled off the market. Now sure thats a shallow reason and I do agree with their reasons for wanting to strike (and dont really blame them if they do).....just...well you know my reasons. [/b]
I live in Wisconsin too, and you as well as I do there&#39;s plenty of beer besides Miller. I&#39;m going to give it up, even though it&#39;s my main choice. Show even a little bit of solidarity by not drinking Miller.

Amusing Scrotum
16th November 2006, 21:09
Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 16, 2006 05:48 pm
What kind of a communist can&#39;t refrain from drinking a brand of beer in solidarity with other workers? Pathetic.

Maybe the kind of communist who doesn&#39;t see individual abstentionism -- read: lifestylism -- as a legitimate form of revolutionary praxis. There are plenty of reasons not to drink lagers like Fosters ... having taste, being one of those.

But to honestly think that someone buying a Carling instead of a Fosters is going to make the slightest bit of difference, is fucking potty. Miller Brewing Company is not going to notice; the striking workers are not going to notice; in fact, no one will notice ... bar the person switching lagers, of course.

And in what way will they notice? Well, they&#39;ll feel that they&#39;ve "done their bit" ... struck a blow for the working class. Such an approach may well be what constitutes the pompous arrogance of middle class activism, but it&#39;s a million miles away from revolutionary activity.

So, by all means, abstain from buying Miller products, and for that matter "Killer Coke", Nike and a whole host of other things. But, really, don&#39;t pretend your abstentionism has anything to do with the struggle of the working class ... because it never did, and it never will.

I mean, if you really want to do something, spend your Saturday on the picket line ... and not in the Pub. You&#39;ll keep the activists happy by avoiding Miller products; plus you&#39;ll actually do something useful.

Wanted Man
16th November 2006, 22:09
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 07:23 pm
That and I dont really know where to look for ales
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquor_store

bezdomni
16th November 2006, 22:15
Excellent. Staying away from Miller isn&#39;t hard, since Olde English is the only thing of any quality that comes out of their breweries anyway.

Any beer that has the word "Miller" in it tastes like soggy bread that has been pissed on.

Why are the Milwaukee breweries not striking?

Entrails Konfetti
16th November 2006, 22:47
Originally posted by Amusing Scrotum+November 16, 2006 09:09 pm--> (Amusing Scrotum @ November 16, 2006 09:09 pm)
Compañ[email protected] 16, 2006 05:48 pm
What kind of a communist can&#39;t refrain from drinking a brand of beer in solidarity with other workers? Pathetic.

Maybe the kind of communist who doesn&#39;t see individual abstentionism -- read: lifestylism -- as a legitimate form of revolutionary praxis. There are plenty of reasons not to drink lagers like Fosters ... having taste, being one of those.

But to honestly think that someone buying a Carling instead of a Fosters is going to make the slightest bit of difference, is fucking potty. Miller Brewing Company is not going to notice; the striking workers are not going to notice; in fact, no one will notice ... bar the person switching lagers, of course.

And in what way will they notice? Well, they&#39;ll feel that they&#39;ve "done their bit" ... struck a blow for the working class. Such an approach may well be what constitutes the pompous arrogance of middle class activism, but it&#39;s a million miles away from revolutionary activity.

So, by all means, abstain from buying Miller products, and for that matter "Killer Coke", Nike and a whole host of other things. But, really, don&#39;t pretend your abstentionism has anything to do with the struggle of the working class ... because it never did, and it never will.

I mean, if you really want to do something, spend your Saturday on the picket line ... and not in the Pub. You&#39;ll keep the activists happy by avoiding Miller products; plus you&#39;ll actually do something useful. [/b]
Well said&#33;
Sorry if I ever said that you&#39;re only cappable of following LSD and TAT arguements.

Joby
17th November 2006, 01:47
stoli all the way.

works the best when you blow or smoke some bud, anyway.

But anyway, some of my friends by Miller and I&#39;ll tell them to switch.

Nothing Human Is Alien
17th November 2006, 18:52
Jesus christ "amazing scrotum," you&#39;ve got to be one of the worst posters on this board. It&#39;s all the mechanistic nonsense of redstar, with the excessive use of bold of LSD, wrapped into a package of long and drawn out steaming hot garbage.

No one is advocating "lifestylism" or "abstentionism" here (besides you and the other redstar drones that advocate abstentionism from any sort of real struggle for revolution).

When workers strike, and call for a boycott of the products pushed by the company they&#39;re striking against, communists, and indeed all working people, have a duty to honor that call. It&#39;s called solidarity.

Refusing to honor the call because you "like" the product in question is treacherous, anti-working class action. It&#39;s similar to crossing a picketline (though I&#39;m sure you&#39;d be happy to do).

You would have fit right in among the "communists" that flew on U.S. airlines being picketed by workers in the 80&#39;s to get to "labor solidarity" conferences. <_<

GSTPP
18th November 2006, 06:18
DO NOT DRINK BEER FOR BOURGOIES&#33; No decadint okay my friends? Lets be all equal.

encephalon
18th November 2006, 07:19
awww, fuck. It&#39;s difficult for me to evem get drunk without steel reserve anymore.

Ah well.. take one for the team.

Amusing Scrotum
20th November 2006, 03:55
Originally posted by CompañeroDeLibertad+--> (CompañeroDeLibertad)When workers strike, and call for a boycott of the products pushed by the company they&#39;re striking against...[/b]

Where did they call for a boycott? As far as I can see, some mailing list has called for a boycott ... and people on this mailing list have reproduced this call on various blogs -- like, for example, on this website (http://mckymouseisdead.livejournal.com/) -- and on Revolutionary Left.

And, to top it all off, unless I&#39;m mistaken, the workers at Miller Brewing Company didn&#39;t even end up going on strike ... I suppose "a new labor agreement" was reached.

So, really, on what basis should anyone now avoid Miller products? Bar the obvious reason of taste, of course. To make some kind of symbolic gesture that no fucker will even know about?

I could get the point of the abstention if it came with some kind of political education. But, really, how many people are going to to point out why they are buying an alternative product when they are buying said product? A dozen or so, maybe even less.

Which makes the gesture a purely symbolic one which only goes to make your token activist feel like they&#39;ve "done their bit" ... without actually doing anything useful, of course.

That you consider such a pointless gesture a mark of "solidarity", only reflects on your own political failings. Rather than calling on people to join the picket, try and organise sympathy actions and so on ... you call on them to remain seated and inactive, and to just change the product they hold whilst doing this. Some "solidarity" that is.


CompañeroDeLibertad
It&#39;s similar to crossing a picketline (though I&#39;m sure you&#39;d be happy to do).

It&#39;s nothing like "crossing a picketline" ... don&#39;t be a tart. There is, without a doubt, a massive difference between buying Carling instead of Fosters during your weekly Tesco shop ... and being a Nottinghamshire Miner. You can&#39;t seriously be so clueless to suggest otherwise, can you?

And, given your political affiliations -- what you identify with historically -- it&#39;s extremely hypocritical of you to suggest that I would be a blackleg. But, I suppose, throwing accusations at others -- "redstar drone", potential scab ... and so on -- is the best way to hide your own political failings.

After all, leftists don&#39;t do principled political debate ... and you&#39;re no different from all the other leftists. Though, to be honest, the smell of the proverbial swamp is more noticeable on you.

Mujer Libre
20th November 2006, 22:01
never mind.

Sabocat
25th November 2006, 13:50
Complete bullshit.

AS believes that boycotting goods has no benefit. The ONLY thing that corporations understand is damage to the bottom line. If you have any concern for workers on strike you would support a boycott to SUPPORT the strikers.

If a corporation sees their market share slipping away from a work action/boycott, they will definitely go back to the table and give the workers a better contract. That may not mean a lot to you, but for a worker trying to live, pay bills, food etc, it can be a matter of life and death. Your philosophy that it makes more sense to go out and walk the picket line as being more effective is of course bullshit too. Corporations don&#39;t care how many people are walking a picket line. They care about how much money is coming in. Period. It&#39;s fine to show solidarity with strikers and walk with them, but an economic boycott hits the companies where they live.

If for example the public had completely stopped flying Nortwest Airlines when the mechanics went on strike, how long do you think that strike (or that airline for that matter) would have lasted? Instead, because of sentiments like yours, workers scabbed the strikers picket lines, people continued to fly Northwest Airlines, and the mechanics union has, as a result basically been gotten rid of.

Of course, it&#39;s much easier to espouse Revolution while not actually doing anything in support of the worker.