What do you say about this?

[norwegian commie]

Me and some Comrades in Norway are considering another theory about the organization of a communist organization.
-Our thinking goes something like this.

Communists supports the state, therefor works as an government worker someplace.
The bourgeois does not respect public services or communists.
SO what if we play by their rules on their turf.

The members study as much theory as possible and invest or start private corporation. these will be united in the organization. The organization will consist of communists and have a communist thought behind its every decision.

Our goul will eventually be to establish some sort of state within a stat. Like Hizbollah or Hamas is in their countries. Where we will have the ability to offer people work or just use it as a base for revolutionary activity.
Like we establish a collective in Africa, offer people work in exchange for everything they need. And the idea is that this organization will sell its profits, and reinvest inn the capitalist system, trying to humanize it. also working as a communist state, within an bourgeois state.

If necessary we may have to arm, but the democratic traditions in Norway is strong. And i actually believe that the bourgeois is helpless in getting rid of us if we reach some size.


Main idea will as i said be: establishing a government within a government to then overthrow it. And if we cant... simply work as a revolutionary faction in the world spreading support, sympathy for the workers.


Any comments on this?
-don't dismiss it at once...

the organization has started and is (for now) called Altern(short for alternative)
Got any better names, spill it...

[Cryotank Screams]

I find it to be counter-revolutionary; just my opinion.


And the idea is that this organization will sell its profits, and reinvest inn the capitalist system, trying to humanize it.

You could never humanize the capitalist system, nor do I think reinvesting into capitalism is revolutionary and progressive but instead counter-revolutionary.


Main idea will as i said be: establishing a government within a government to then overthrow it.

Seems impossible, and impractical.

I personally think revolution will only happen by tearing down all remnants of the old and establishing the new, only then will you be able to progress forward.

[norwegian commie]

You could never humanize the capitalist system, nor do I think reinvesting into capitalism is revolutionary and progressive but instead counter-revolutionary.


That i am fully aware of.
We will not try to humanize it. The goal will be to overthrow it.
However before we do, we plan to gain support among the workers by prviding them a more humanistic place to work. Moore in the socialistic spirit.

when they see that thw people offering them work, a better aleternative than the capitalists can, are communists and represent communism. Then communism will gain support within the workers once more. Today the bourgeois parties have political monopoly in the working class. which means something is weary wrong.

The plan is pretty far from reality, but we will work towards it.


"investing in capitalism" will not be the right way to put it.
As in reality it will be investing to offer an alternative to capitalism.
Our alternative will indirectly steal from the bourgeois and give to the poor.
If we reach a large size, then we will be able to offer proletarian members financial support, job.


I cant see how this is counter-revolutionary.. I see the way you put it it sounds like it.. But that is not the way we want it, and are not our intentions.

The organization can be used as a base for support for revolutionary activity throughout the world. Then we can establish sister organizations throughout the world, eventually leading to the destruction of the bourgeois state.

[BreadBros]

Communists supports the state, therefor works as an government worker someplace.

:huh: Some Communists support the establishment of a Worker's State after the revolution, but support the bourgeois state is not a part of communist theory, no.


The members study as much theory as possible and invest or start private corporation. these will be united in the organization. The organization will consist of communists and have a communist thought behind its every decision.

Private corporation? Does that have a specific meaning in Norway? In the US a private corporation is just a private large company. If thats what you meant why would you have to become a government worker?


Like we establish a collective in Africa, offer people work in exchange for everything they need. And the idea is that this organization will sell its profits, and reinvest inn the capitalist system, trying to humanize it. also working as a communist state, within an bourgeois state.


Like SH said, that seems highly impractical and difficult to do. But I see what you're hinting at, and if it worked it could be useful. Im guessing you mean sort of a mutual aid type group, like working class individuals teaming up to help each other in terms of public services and bypassing the state? Im not sure how revolutionary that would be but it would definitely break some of the sympathies people have towards capitalism and the state.

[Brekisonphilous]

Seems like a great idea, if it gained enough support and success, it would beat business owners at their own game, it would be too hard for them to compete and they would be forced to shut down.

[norwegian commie]

Some Communists support the establishment of a Worker's State after the revolution, but support the bourgeois state is not a part of communist theory, no.

My point is that the communist workers, often ends up working for their foe.
If you want to overthrow the government, it makes no sense that you work within it. We then work to establish an alternative to this, therefor the name "altern"


Private corporation? Does that have a specific meaning in Norway? In the US a private corporation is just a private large company. If thats what you meant why would you have to become a government worker?

you misunderstood me.

My point is not become a government worker, but a worker for a private company.
I myself would not like to do this because i oppose privatization. So then i would seek a government job.

But if the alternative is not a private capitalist corporation but it is an communist one helping people out, then i would join. And as it grows, it's possibilities will too.




Like SH said, that seems highly impractical and difficult to do. But I see what you're hinting at, and if it worked it could be useful. Im guessing you mean sort of a mutual aid type group, like working class individuals teaming up to help each other in terms of public services and bypassing the state? Im not sure how revolutionary that would be but it would definitely break some of the sympathies people have towards capitalism and the state.

That is the point yes.
I don't feel it is impossible, nothing is. And it has (in another form) been done before.
And investing in countries is something loads of capitalist organizations does. They do it to exploit them, why cant we do it to help them?