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Karl Marx's Camel
14th November 2006, 16:58
What would be your arguments against a person who questions the notion that capitalism fulfilled its historical role?

In other words, what would be your arguments for the notion that capitalism has fulfilled its historical role, that capitalism is "outdated"?

Whitten
14th November 2006, 18:31
I would use the evidence that is already around us, that the conditions necessary for capitalism are wearing away quickly. For example, "intellectual property" is becomming more and more worthless since the industrial revolution. And that the increasing role of automation is increasing the supply and abundance of many produced goods to incredibly high levels, decreasing their value, and accelerating the trend for the rate of profit to fall.

KC
14th November 2006, 18:36
Capitalism isn't "outdated" and will never become so; there is no time constraint on the system. However, if you would like to replace "outdated" with "in decay" or something like that, then it is easily identified by looking at current events.

Floyce White
15th November 2006, 03:26
The concept of a "historical role" for upper-class persons in the struggle to end class society--is absurd on its face. "Historical role" in the long ago and the far away is part of petty-bourgeois propaganda that apologizes for their acts of exploitation in the here-and-now. "Historical role" is a synonym for the dogma of "material conditions for communism." I thoroughly shattered that myth in this post (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=45607&st=42&#entry1292020598) and this post (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=46362&st=49&#entry1292026281).

Yesterday's capitalism was no less odious to our parents and grandparents than today's capitalism is odious to us. I'm not going to lick the boots of my exploiters, and thank them for having exploited my parents. Forget that!

Dominicana_1965
15th November 2006, 03:33
Simply take a look at the kleptocracys that use Capitalism in Latin America and other parts of the world.
The poverty Capitalism has created, the system that has Asian workers working in 100 degree rooms to make clothes.

These sure are not "outdated".