Dulce Et Decorum Est

[Enragé]

seeing as there were like memorials for the first world war, here's a poem which sent shivers down my spine the first time i heard it.


Dulce Et Decorum Est
by Wilfred Owen

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas! Gas! Quick, boys!–An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime...
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,–
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.


(dulce...mori means; "it is a sweet and seemly thing to die for one's country")

[RedAnarchist]

Wow, that's haunting. A very powerful poet.

[Angry Young Man]

Yeah we studied Dulce at school, along with other war poets. I bought a book of WWI poetry on holiday in Edinburgh but had to refund it due to lack of money.

ED: There was one that wasn't written by a soldier that was slightly annoying though: Who's for the game by Jessie Pope. I can see why she grated on Wilfred Owen.

[Free Left]

Yeah, we studied that at school. But it's one of hundreds of excellent poems written by soldeirs in WWI. Another good one is Base Details By Siegfried Sassoon (?).

I pacticulary like the line:
All went lame; all blind; Drunk with fatigue

[Haligonian Red]

In the Trenches

I knew a simple soldier boy
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.

In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain.
No one spoke of him again.

You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.


Siegfried Sassoon

[Haligonian Red]

"I am making this statement as an act of wilful defiance of military authority, because I believe that the War is being deliberately prolonged by those who have the power to end it. I am a soldier, convinced that I am acting on behalf of soldiers. I believe that this War, on which I entered as a war of defence and liberation, has now become a war of aggression and conquest. I believe that the purpose for which I and my fellow soldiers entered upon this war should have been so clearly stated as to have made it impossible to change them, and that, had this been done, the objects which actuated us would now be attainable by negotiation. I have seen and endured the sufferings of the troops, and I can no longer be a party to prolong these sufferings for ends which I believe to be evil and unjust. I am not protesting against the conduct of the war, but against the political errors and insincerities for which the fighting men are being sacrificed. On behalf of those who are suffering now I make this protest against the deception which is being practised on them; also I believe that I may help to destroy the callous complacency with which the majority of those at home regard the contrivance of agonies which they do not know, and which they have not sufficient imagination to realize".

Siegfried Sassoon

[Patchd]

Originally posted by Haligonian [email protected] 18, 2006 12:11 am
"I am making this statement as an act of wilful defiance of military authority, because I believe that the War is being deliberately prolonged by those who have the power to end it. I am a soldier, convinced that I am acting on behalf of soldiers. I believe that this War, on which I entered as a war of defence and liberation, has now become a war of aggression and conquest. I believe that the purpose for which I and my fellow soldiers entered upon this war should have been so clearly stated as to have made it impossible to change them, and that, had this been done, the objects which actuated us would now be attainable by negotiation. I have seen and endured the sufferings of the troops, and I can no longer be a party to prolong these sufferings for ends which I believe to be evil and unjust. I am not protesting against the conduct of the war, but against the political errors and insincerities for which the fighting men are being sacrificed. On behalf of those who are suffering now I make this protest against the deception which is being practised on them; also I believe that I may help to destroy the callous complacency with which the majority of those at home regard the contrivance of agonies which they do not know, and which they have not sufficient imagination to realize".

Siegfried Sassoon
Yeah, I had to use one of his poems as a source for my History coursework last year, we had to do some research on him, didn't he get confined to a mental institute for a while. Many of those who criticised the war were considered "mad".

[Invader Zim]

I really like Wilfred Owen, i think his poetry is really moving.

The Last Laugh

'Oh! Jesus Christ! I'm hit,' he said; and died.
Whether he vainly cursed or prayed indeed,
The Bullets chirped-In vain, vain, vain!
Machine-guns chuckled,-Tut-tut! Tut-tut!
And the Big Gun guffawed.

Another sighed,-'O Mother, -Mother, - Dad!'
Then smiled at nothing, childlike, being dead.
And the lofty Shrapnel-cloud
Leisurely gestured,-Fool!
And the splinters spat, and tittered.

'My Love!' one moaned. Love-languid seemed his mood,
Till slowly lowered, his whole faced kissed the mud.
And the Bayonets' long teeth grinned;
Rabbles of Shells hooted and groaned;
And the Gas hissed.

[Angry Young Man]

Is there any anti-cap WWI poetry? You've got to remember the times immdiately before, during and after the war were those of uprisings and hope of a Red Dawn. If Germany's proletariat had succeeded, the world would be under a red banner by now.

[RebelDog]

Anthem for a Doomed Youth,
By Wilfred Owen


What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons.
No mockeries for them from prayers or bells,
Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs,—
The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
And bugles calling for them from sad shires.

What candles may be held to speed them all?
Not in the hands of boys, but in their eyes
Shall shine the holy glimmers of good-byes.
The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;
Their flowers the tenderness of silent maids,
And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds.


Poor Wilfred Owen died a week before the armistice and his parents recieved the telegram on the day the fighting stopped (11th November)

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2006 05:45 pm
Is there any anti-cap WWI poetry?
Possibly though the anti-war poems of Owen, Sassoon et al are far more famous. Personally I've always been a fan of both Dulce and Sassoon's Base Details:

IF I were fierce, and bald, and short of breath,
I’d live with scarlet Majors at the Base,
And speed glum heroes up the line to death.
You’d see me with my puffy petulant face,
Guzzling and gulping in the best hotel,
Reading the Roll of Honour. "Poor young chap,"
I’d say—"I used to know his father well;
Yes, we’ve lost heavily in this last scrap."
And when the war is done and youth stone dead,
I’d toddle safely home and die—in bed.