Muslims Religious Propagnda vs. Leftism?

[worldtradeisadeathmachine]

Here's the deal

I'm half Pakistani, and my Pakistani side is really right wing. I'm not talkingconservative, they're like Islamic Nazi's and they believe in social cleansing.
They're really rascist too, I remember once I was my Cousins's second birthday party, and I heard a bunch of my cousins *****ing about me, calling me stuff I'd rather not repeat.
It's just, they're so fascist it's not even funny. It's like "I'm muslim and i'm right and I don't want to listen to you or any of your beliefs because you don't even count." That's the main reason I moved out of their house
Because I won't be forced fed shit to swallow, I wouldn't attend Mosque every day, I wouldn't watch those videos where people glorify Islamic terrorism etc.

Shit like this has happened so bad that they've stopped talking to me!

I know what I posted is personal
But there's loads of other kids just like me in my school
Is there a way that Religion and Propaganda can walk with leftism?At all?

Sorry if I sounded dull, but I'm sick of religion being shoved down my throat. At my Dads, in my school, it's in every aspect of life, I want to know if theres anything I can do?

[Black Dagger]

Is there a way that Religion and Propaganda can walk with leftism?At all?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

Are you asking, is there a way that one can be religious and a revolutionary at the same time?


Sorry if I sounded dull, but I'm sick of religion being shoved down my throat.

No worries mate, don't apologise!


At my Dads, in my school, it's in every aspect of life, I want to know if theres anything I can do?

To stop them from forcing their religion on to you? What do you usually do when they try to force this kind of stuff on you?

Do you feel that you can engage them effectively in debate about their views?

It's hard to come up with suggestions not knowing your family environment at all, what your parents, relatives are like etc. But how firm are you with your opinions when others are trying to force into things?

I'll try hard to make some suggestions, but first perhaps you could answer the questions ive posed above and below, and maybe give us (if you wish of course), some more information about the kind of situation you face?

Where are you usually confronted with this issue? From who?

Is there anyone, inside or outside of your family, who sympathises with you?

[Johnny Anarcho]

Hmm, as one Muslim to another I think you should just tell your parents that your wanting some personal space. They raised you in a good Islamic house-hold and know you wont betray the faith, giving you some breathing-room is the least they could do. The ethnic cleansing thing goes against Islam. The Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) made it clear himself.

O people, Remember that your Lord is One. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a black has no superiority over white, nor a white has any superiority over black, except by piety and good action (Taqwa). Indeed the best among you is the one with the best character (Taqwa). Listen to me. Did I convey this to you properly? People responded, Yes. O messenger of God, The Prophet then said, then each one of you who is there must convey this to everyone not present. (Excerpt from the Prophet's Last Sermon as in Baihiqi)

The Prophet said: Let people stop boasting about their ancestors. One is only a pious believer or a miserable sinner. All men are sons of Adam, and Adam came from dust (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi).

The Prophet said: Whoever has pride in his heart equal to the weight of an atom shall not enter Paradise. A man inquired about a person who likes to wear beautiful clothes and fine shoes, and he answered: God is beautiful and likes beauty. Then he explained pride means rejecting the truth because of self-esteem and looking down on other people (Muslim).

There are many hadith, which repeatedly strike on the Arab pride of jahiliyyah. Arabs before Islam used to look down upon others specially blacks. The Prophet repeatedly contrasted the believing Africans versus non-believing Arab nobles.

The Prophet said: You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian slave whose head looked like a raisin (Bukhari).

[ATG]

Whats the other half ?

[Johnny Anarcho]

Other half of what?

[worldtradeisadeathmachine]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 12, 2006 02:00 pm

Is there a way that Religion and Propaganda can walk with leftism?At all?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

Are you asking, is there a way that one can be religious and a revolutionary at the same time?


Sorry if I sounded dull, but I'm sick of religion being shoved down my throat.

No worries mate, don't apologise!


At my Dads, in my school, it's in every aspect of life, I want to know if theres anything I can do?

To stop them from forcing their religion on to you? What do you usually do when they try to force this kind of stuff on you?

Do you feel that you can engage them effectively in debate about their views?

It's hard to come up with suggestions not knowing your family environment at all, what your parents, relatives are like etc. But how firm are you with your opinions when others are trying to force into things?

I'll try hard to make some suggestions, but first perhaps you could answer the questions ive posed above and below, and maybe give us (if you wish of course), some more information about the kind of situation you face?

Where are you usually confronted with this issue? From who?

Is there anyone, inside or outside of your family, who sympathises with you?
1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?
2) Yeah I hate it,


When they try to force it at me, I try to debate about it, but my dads family have got this annoying Holier Then Thou attitude, and when I try to intelligently diiscuss
It's so annoying! They don't respect me or my beliefs at all, they do not particpiate in debates as to why I should be more religious, they just patronize me and say
Inshallah one day she will be good Muslim!
My Uncle, mainly. Ever since he stopped being a crack dealer he's turned really right wing. I'm usually confronted with the issue at my Dads house, but since everyone lives together, its not just my dads house, two of my uncles, two of my aunts, my grandparents,a cousin, my dad, half bro my uncle due to a number of events that have happened over the course of thirteen years [ so since i was born]
Tricky situation, eh?

[worldtradeisadeathmachine]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2006 03:51 pm
Whats the other half ?
Welsh.

[ATG]

Originally posted by worldtradeisadeathmachine+November 14, 2006 10:49 am--> (worldtradeisadeathmachine @ November 14, 2006 10:49 am)
[email protected] 12, 2006 03:51 pm
Whats the other half ?
Welsh. [/b]
lol weird i still have some far relatives in Russia that are Muslim i believe never met them though

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2006 10:48 am
1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?
Depends. Its impossible to be religious and Marxist at the same time. There are differing opinions within the other communist schools of thought.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by ComradeOm+November 16, 2006 06:40 pm--> (ComradeOm @ November 16, 2006 06:40 pm)
[email protected] 14, 2006 10:48 am
1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?
Depends. Its impossible to be religious and Marxist at the same time. There are differing opinions within the other communist schools of thought. [/b]
That mainly applies to Orthodox Marxism, everything else except for Stalinism and Juje are open game.

[Cryotank Screams]

1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?

No.

Religion is by it's very nature is anti-human, anti-science, theist, authoritarian, and archaic, while Leftist politics/philosophy are humanistic, atheistic, and materialist, therefore religion is yet another shackle that should be cast off and broken.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by worldtradeisadeathmachine+November 14, 2006 10:48 am--> (worldtradeisadeathmachine @ November 14, 2006 10:48 am)
Black [email protected] 12, 2006 02:00 pm

Is there a way that Religion and Propaganda can walk with leftism?At all?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

Are you asking, is there a way that one can be religious and a revolutionary at the same time?


Sorry if I sounded dull, but I'm sick of religion being shoved down my throat.

No worries mate, don't apologise!


At my Dads, in my school, it's in every aspect of life, I want to know if theres anything I can do?

To stop them from forcing their religion on to you? What do you usually do when they try to force this kind of stuff on you?

Do you feel that you can engage them effectively in debate about their views?

It's hard to come up with suggestions not knowing your family environment at all, what your parents, relatives are like etc. But how firm are you with your opinions when others are trying to force into things?

I'll try hard to make some suggestions, but first perhaps you could answer the questions ive posed above and below, and maybe give us (if you wish of course), some more information about the kind of situation you face?

Where are you usually confronted with this issue? From who?

Is there anyone, inside or outside of your family, who sympathises with you?
1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?
2) Yeah I hate it,


When they try to force it at me, I try to debate about it, but my dads family have got this annoying Holier Then Thou attitude, and when I try to intelligently diiscuss
It's so annoying! They don't respect me or my beliefs at all, they do not particpiate in debates as to why I should be more religious, they just patronize me and say
Inshallah one day she will be good Muslim!
My Uncle, mainly. Ever since he stopped being a crack dealer he's turned really right wing. I'm usually confronted with the issue at my Dads house, but since everyone lives together, its not just my dads house, two of my uncles, two of my aunts, my grandparents,a cousin, my dad, half bro my uncle due to a number of events that have happened over the course of thirteen years [ so since i was born]
Tricky situation, eh? [/b]
You know not to fuck with those people, sister,
Their old!
Their gonna think what they want. Dont argue with them, their set in their ways, so sometimes make your point, but know that clashing with them is vanity. Its a waste of your time!
I believe you are still a muslim?
Allah knows your intents and your meanings. It doesnt matter even what your family thinks of you!
It matters what Allah thinks of you.
Fuck em.
Fuck everyone.
Fuck everyone in this forum who isnt cool with you if youre muslim,
And then fuck everyone who in your family isnt cool with you being a communist.
Your uncle is just guilty because he knows selling crack is not really the right thing to do.
It is one thing to rob a perosn for money, and get your money- you played the game, but to play off on an addiction that isnt going to give a perosn knowlege wisdom or understanding when you yourself inside know right and wrong....is not really right. It is understandable in this world becuase Allah did not make our bills but it isnt right, and your uncle is probably making up for lost time.
Dont sweat your family memebers. Dont go to the masjid if you arent feeling it that day, but keep it real with yourself. Allah still loves you no matter what you are going through.

People who focus on looking down on others are doing it because they cant look up to themselves. No matter how many times you family prays they are lost for looking down on others so much, or theyd just give their blessings and smiles.
Where are the blessings and smiles? It is up to you to be the better person.


As for being a leftist, yes you can be a leftist and a muslim. You can be whatever the fuck you want! ONE

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by Johnny Anarcho+November 18, 2006 11:49 am--> (Johnny Anarcho @ November 18, 2006 11:49 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 06:40 pm

[email protected] 14, 2006 10:48 am
1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?
Depends. Its impossible to be religious and Marxist at the same time. There are differing opinions within the other communist schools of thought.
That mainly applies to Orthodox Marxism, everything else except for Stalinism and Juje are open game. [/b]
Bullshit. Marxism is entirely about taking a critical and materialist look at society. Guess how religion fares when examined using scientific socialism?

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by ComradeOm+November 20, 2006 04:37 pm--> (ComradeOm @ November 20, 2006 04:37 pm)
Originally posted by Johnny [email protected] 18, 2006 11:49 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 06:40 pm

[email protected] 14, 2006 10:48 am
1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?
Depends. Its impossible to be religious and Marxist at the same time. There are differing opinions within the other communist schools of thought.
That mainly applies to Orthodox Marxism, everything else except for Stalinism and Juje are open game.
Bullshit. Marxism is entirely about taking a critical and materialist look at society. Guess how religion fares when examined using scientific socialism? [/b]
The only thing scientific about Marxism is Marxian economics. Everything else is ideological. Whether or not religion is scientifically proven doesnt matter because the fact still remains... revolutionarys can be religious. Mother Jones is a shining example of this fact.

[RNK]

Originally posted by Johnny Anarcho+November 25, 2006 06:25 pm--> (Johnny Anarcho @ November 25, 2006 06:25 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2006 04:37 pm

Originally posted by Johnny [email protected] 18, 2006 11:49 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 06:40 pm

[email protected] 14, 2006 10:48 am
1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?
Depends. Its impossible to be religious and Marxist at the same time. There are differing opinions within the other communist schools of thought.
That mainly applies to Orthodox Marxism, everything else except for Stalinism and Juje are open game.
Bullshit. Marxism is entirely about taking a critical and materialist look at society. Guess how religion fares when examined using scientific socialism?
The only thing scientific about Marxism is Marxian economics. Everything else is ideological. Whether or not religion is scientifically proven doesnt matter because the fact still remains... revolutionarys can be religious. Mother Jones is a shining example of this fact. [/b]
Wrong. If you've ever read thoroughly on the subject you'd know that Marx and Engels and their forebears paid particular attention to making analysis not only of economics (infact, in retrospect, economics plays a relatively minor role in everything they penned) but also in large part of the social and philosophical aspects of the human condition, of religion, of the family, etc. Marxism isn't only about economics. It is a social ideology as much as an economic ideology.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by Ernest+November 27, 2006 05:27 am--> (Ernest @ November 27, 2006 05:27 am)
Originally posted by Johnny [email protected] 25, 2006 06:25 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2006 04:37 pm

Originally posted by Johnny [email protected] 18, 2006 11:49 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2006 06:40 pm

[email protected] 14, 2006 10:48 am
1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?
Depends. Its impossible to be religious and Marxist at the same time. There are differing opinions within the other communist schools of thought.
That mainly applies to Orthodox Marxism, everything else except for Stalinism and Juje are open game.
Bullshit. Marxism is entirely about taking a critical and materialist look at society. Guess how religion fares when examined using scientific socialism?
The only thing scientific about Marxism is Marxian economics. Everything else is ideological. Whether or not religion is scientifically proven doesnt matter because the fact still remains... revolutionarys can be religious. Mother Jones is a shining example of this fact.
Wrong. If you've ever read thoroughly on the subject you'd know that Marx and Engels and their forebears paid particular attention to making analysis not only of economics (infact, in retrospect, economics plays a relatively minor role in everything they penned) but also in large part of the social and philosophical aspects of the human condition, of religion, of the family, etc. Marxism isn't only about economics. It is a social ideology as much as an economic ideology. [/b]
Engels is a joke, the only part of Capital worth reading is the first book because nothing else if of Marx. Sociology plays a major part but only because economics lays the settings. Socialism is all about economics, Class Struggle is entirely economical; as a Democratic Socialist and a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist that is the view I will stick to.

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by Raisa+November 19, 2006 06:26 am--> (Raisa @ November 19, 2006 06:26 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2006 10:48 am

Black [email protected] 12, 2006 02:00 pm

Is there a way that Religion and Propaganda can walk with leftism?At all?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

Are you asking, is there a way that one can be religious and a revolutionary at the same time?


Sorry if I sounded dull, but I'm sick of religion being shoved down my throat.

No worries mate, don't apologise!


At my Dads, in my school, it's in every aspect of life, I want to know if theres anything I can do?

To stop them from forcing their religion on to you? What do you usually do when they try to force this kind of stuff on you?

Do you feel that you can engage them effectively in debate about their views?

It's hard to come up with suggestions not knowing your family environment at all, what your parents, relatives are like etc. But how firm are you with your opinions when others are trying to force into things?

I'll try hard to make some suggestions, but first perhaps you could answer the questions ive posed above and below, and maybe give us (if you wish of course), some more information about the kind of situation you face?

Where are you usually confronted with this issue? From who?

Is there anyone, inside or outside of your family, who sympathises with you?
1. Yeah, religious and revolutionary at the same time?
2) Yeah I hate it,


When they try to force it at me, I try to debate about it, but my dads family have got this annoying Holier Then Thou attitude, and when I try to intelligently diiscuss
It's so annoying! They don't respect me or my beliefs at all, they do not particpiate in debates as to why I should be more religious, they just patronize me and say
Inshallah one day she will be good Muslim!
My Uncle, mainly. Ever since he stopped being a crack dealer he's turned really right wing. I'm usually confronted with the issue at my Dads house, but since everyone lives together, its not just my dads house, two of my uncles, two of my aunts, my grandparents,a cousin, my dad, half bro my uncle due to a number of events that have happened over the course of thirteen years [ so since i was born]
Tricky situation, eh?
You know not to fuck with those people, sister,
Their old!
Their gonna think what they want. Dont argue with them, their set in their ways, so sometimes make your point, but know that clashing with them is vanity. Its a waste of your time!
I believe you are still a muslim?
Allah knows your intents and your meanings. It doesnt matter even what your family thinks of you!
It matters what Allah thinks of you.
Fuck em.
Fuck everyone.
Fuck everyone in this forum who isnt cool with you if youre muslim,
And then fuck everyone who in your family isnt cool with you being a communist.
Your uncle is just guilty because he knows selling crack is not really the right thing to do.
It is one thing to rob a perosn for money, and get your money- you played the game, but to play off on an addiction that isnt going to give a perosn knowlege wisdom or understanding when you yourself inside know right and wrong....is not really right. It is understandable in this world becuase Allah did not make our bills but it isnt right, and your uncle is probably making up for lost time.
Dont sweat your family memebers. Dont go to the masjid if you arent feeling it that day, but keep it real with yourself. Allah still loves you no matter what you are going through.

People who focus on looking down on others are doing it because they cant look up to themselves. No matter how many times you family prays they are lost for looking down on others so much, or theyd just give their blessings and smiles.
Where are the blessings and smiles? It is up to you to be the better person.


As for being a leftist, yes you can be a leftist and a muslim. You can be whatever the fuck you want! ONE [/b]
Amen to that.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2006 08:00 pm
Here's the deal

I'm half Pakistani, and my Pakistani side is really right wing. I'm not talkingconservative, they're like Islamic Nazi's and they believe in social cleansing.
They're really rascist too, I remember once I was my Cousins's second birthday party, and I heard a bunch of my cousins *****ing about me, calling me stuff I'd rather not repeat.
It's just, they're so fascist it's not even funny. It's like "I'm muslim and i'm right and I don't want to listen to you or any of your beliefs because you don't even count." That's the main reason I moved out of their house
Because I won't be forced fed shit to swallow, I wouldn't attend Mosque every day, I wouldn't watch those videos where people glorify Islamic terrorism etc.

Shit like this has happened so bad that they've stopped talking to me!

I know what I posted is personal
But there's loads of other kids just like me in my school
Is there a way that Religion and Propaganda can walk with leftism?At all?

Sorry if I sounded dull, but I'm sick of religion being shoved down my throat. At my Dads, in my school, it's in every aspect of life, I want to know if theres anything I can do?
maybe it's just your family manner (sorry if i mention it) as far i know Islam is not forcing you to choose, and Islam is never forcing you to be what they want.

I'm a moslem andmy family never forcing me to be what they want.so, if youwant to be a leftist, so be it, fuck what other people said to you.

does your father and your family ever told you that Islam gave you two path in living in this world? then it's up to you wherever you want to choose.

[Forward Union]

Fuck everyone in this forum who isnt cool with you if youre muslim

Fuck you to.

[Smert' ili svoboda]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2006 01:00 pm
Here's the deal

I'm half Pakistani, and my Pakistani side is really right wing. I'm not talkingconservative, they're like Islamic Nazi's and they believe in social cleansing.
They're really rascist too, I remember once I was my Cousins's second birthday party, and I heard a bunch of my cousins *****ing about me, calling me stuff I'd rather not repeat.
It's just, they're so fascist it's not even funny. It's like "I'm muslim and i'm right and I don't want to listen to you or any of your beliefs because you don't even count." That's the main reason I moved out of their house
Because I won't be forced fed shit to swallow, I wouldn't attend Mosque every day, I wouldn't watch those videos where people glorify Islamic terrorism etc.

Shit like this has happened so bad that they've stopped talking to me!

I know what I posted is personal
But there's loads of other kids just like me in my school
Is there a way that Religion and Propaganda can walk with leftism?At all?

Sorry if I sounded dull, but I'm sick of religion being shoved down my throat. At my Dads, in my school, it's in every aspect of life, I want to know if theres anything I can do?
:( ...thats awful! Hey sis, i feel the same way as you do since i'm a persian but from pakistan. In fact there are anti-authoritarian islamic poltical ideas/groups today particularly in UK, (here's an excellent website: http://www.bayyinat.org.uk/dihliz.htm)
...which consider views such as anti-violent ideas i.e Islamic Anarchism.

It's immensely pitiful since a majority of muslims today whether arab, pakistani, malay, indian etc...can be very cultural and many pursue cultural ideologies, not religious (your family as you mentioned above are being cultural and are in fact misinterpreting it with Islamic ideologies), if you were to ever ask them to sufficiently provide you with Islamic hadiths, ayaahs from the Qur'an which propose such cult-political norms, (considering how they are behaving) they will not be proficiently capable of doing. Authentically, thats since there are not any, although many muslims may misinterpret Islamic teachings (as a few scholars do today and misleadingly become deceitful fascists). Islam (according to Islamic terminology) is the submission to Allah s.w.t, excluding and eliminating all human authority which many muslims don't seem to recognise today.

I feel it's fundamental that an islamic revolution must emerge within this century which many aid to supress many world conflicts particularly in developing countries (assisting their societies to revolutionize creating them to progress in developing since i view many of todays confilcts as being obstacles, due to lack of understanding of Islam).

[Johnny Anarcho]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 19, 2006 06:16 pm

Fuck everyone in this forum who isnt cool with you if youre muslim

Fuck you to.
Not cool. The man was just trying to prevent religious intolerence. Its hard being Muslim these days you know.

[The Anti-Red]

Its hard being Muslim these days you know.

Good. Let's hope it only keeps getting harder. And let's also hope it gets just as hard for every single other religion.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by The Anti-[email protected] 04, 2007 11:59 pm
Good. Let's hope it only keeps getting harder. And let's also hope it gets just as hard for every single other religion.
what are you talking about? :huh:

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Originally posted by worldtradeisadeathmachine+November 14, 2006 10:49 am--> (worldtradeisadeathmachine @ November 14, 2006 10:49 am)
[email protected] 12, 2006 03:51 pm
Whats the other half ?
Welsh. [/b]
Where in Wales are u?

[Mariam]

Let me just say this.. so far i haven't faced any problem with my family regarding my leftist leanings but i have one of my brothers who is quite going on the far side of islam..and if he has any problem with me it's gonna be just as Raisa said:


Allah knows your intents and your meanings. It doesnt matter even what your family thinks of you!
It matters what Allah thinks of you.
Fuck em.
Fuck everyone.
Fuck everyone in this forum who isnt cool with you if youre muslim,
And then fuck everyone who in your family isnt cool with you being a communist.

The problem with most mule-headed muslims (sorry for that) is that the can not distinguish between secularism and atheism, coz they still tend to stick atheism with the left, some still cant get the idea that you can be

you can be a leftist and a muslim. You can be whatever the fuck you want! ONE


Just be whatever you want :)

[ComradeR]

Just be whatever you want :)

Exactly, that's freedom and that's what communism is about.