would like some history behind a picture - i didn't know whe

[lostsoul]

http://www.amsta.leeds.ac.uk/~delman/tank_colour.jpg

i have seen a video of this on t.v. before, (i think this picture is a still from that video tape). But i was wondering if anyone knew the what was the reason that this person walked infront of some tanks?

in the video i remember seeing a few years back, the tank tries to move out of the way, and the person steps in its path to block it(i'm pretty sure this is the same event).

i think its quite famous because i have seen it before, so hopefully someone will know what it was about.

thanks in advance

(Edited by lostsoul at 3:59 am on April 3, 2003)

[Pete]

I am thinking China. That was my first instinct when I looked at it before seeing the stars. Remember that massacre of people with Mao signs against the current set up? That is when that is from.

[lostsoul]

Quote: from CrazyPete on 4:32 am on April 3, 2003
I am thinking China. That was my first instinct when I looked at it before seeing the stars. Remember that massacre of people with Mao signs against the current set up? That is when that is from.

Do you know what that event was called? or when it happened? for the past 3 weeks this image has popped into my head, and i spend like a week searching threw google images for it. But the page it was on had no info on it.

[soulrise925]

the picture is from the massacre at Tianamen Square in 1989.

[Just Joe]

Tianamen Square protests of 1989. The protests were for more democracy in China. It attracted a wide range of protesters just wanting more freedom. The Chinese government massacared the protesters.

Watching this was just another reason for the death of my previous Leninist beliefs.

[redstar2000]

If I'm not mistaken, the picture appeared on the front cover of Time magazine, and the anonymous protester was Time's "Man of the Year."

:cool:

[Dhul Fiqar]

A friend of mine was there, and fled the country afterwards because his friends started disappearing by the hour.

He had a lot of interesting insights into why it happened and how the protestors mostly feel about it today, but I should really gather them together as coherently and possible and post them in a new thread.

To be continued... ;)

[lostsoul]

i was searching the 1989 protests and actually found the video clip i was talking about.

http://www.cnn.com/resources/video.almanac...989/index2.html (http://www.cnn.com/resources/video.almanac/1989/index2.html)

Thanks for all your help!

[mentalbunny]

Dhul, that sounds great, maybe you could do something, like interview your friend and put it in IL?! That would be great!

[Anonymous]

Watching this was just another reason for the death of my previous Leninist beliefs.
Leninism has NOTHING to do with this...
china was never leninist, nor is it, nor wil it be in a near future...

[Just Joe]

oh please. This has everything to do with the dictatoral structure of Leninism.

China was/is a Marxist-Leninist state. Leaving aside the Leninism goes against what I think Marx was trying to convey in his writings, Leninism is the theory of some sort of 'elite vanguard' of the working people to lead them to Socialism. It turns out to be nothing but a dictatorship because this vanguard never wants to give up its power. When threatened with losing its power to the actual people its supposed to represent, its resorts to repressive measures such as what happened in Tianamen Square. You only have to look at the history of Leninist states too see the tactics they use against the people.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 4:35 am on April 4, 2003
Dhul, that sounds great, maybe you could do something, like interview your friend and put it in IL?! That would be great!


That is a good idea :)

[Aleksander Nordby]

Fuck you "Just Joe".

Marxism-leninism is the best!

[onepunchmachinegun]

It is from China. A very sad history from China.

In Beijing there have on several occasions been student riots. This picture is of a young studentactivist who is willing to give his life for his cause. If I'm not wrong he is against the education level in China. They don't have the right to get a free education and that is what he is struggling for. A very brave young man, indeed...

[Saint-Just]

Quote: from Just Joe on 12:45 pm on April 4, 2003
oh please. This has everything to do with the dictatoral structure of Leninism.

China was/is a Marxist-Leninist state. Leaving aside the Leninism goes against what I think Marx was trying to convey in his writings, Leninism is the theory of some sort of 'elite vanguard' of the working people to lead them to Socialism. It turns out to be nothing but a dictatorship because this vanguard never wants to give up its power. When threatened with losing its power to the actual people its supposed to represent, its resorts to repressive measures such as what happened in Tianamen Square. You only have to look at the history of Leninist states too see the tactics they use against the people.


China was a Marxist-Leninist state until the capitalist-fascist-evil doer-opportunist Deng Xiaoping gained power.

This scene is from a perior after the revolutionary Marxist-Leninist era of China. And so, it is incorrect to say it is a direct sympton of Leninism, whilst you could say that it is inherited. However, I would suggest it is not.

Leninism may indeed employ such methods. However, in this picture, it is bourgeois employing the methods for bourgeois interests.

You are correct that Leninism does consist of the creation of a vanguard party and leadership. It is a vangaurd of the working class, with only working class interests. The vanguard party does attack threats to its power, only as it is the power of the working class masses. Thus the only movement which vangaurd party suppresses is that of the bourgeois.

[Aleksander Nordby]

Its sad whats happen to China, the so called communist state, but they are soon a superpower what im glad for. Hopefully china is not capitalist/communist state when the whole world is been communist.