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Invader Zim
23rd March 2003, 15:30
On 5 may 1920 Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti were arrested for the murder's of a pay role officer and a guard, during a payroll robbery. From the outset the public were against them because they were immagrants and they were known anarchists. They had also left the USA to avoid conscription in the first world war.

The evidence agaist them was flimsy. Both men had guns on them when arrested in massachusetts. The bullets in Sacco's gun were said to be the same size as the ones found in the guard, by the police.

61 wittnesses also said they saw Sacco and Vanzetti, commit the robbery. However 107 people also swar to have seen them at another place. After 7 years of appeals and counter appeals Sacco and Vanzetti were sentanced to death by the electric chair, even though another man, Celestino Madeiros addmitted to the Murders.

After the Trial the Judge who sentanced them to death Judge Thayer was heard to say: -

" Did you see what i did to those anarchist Bastards the other day?"


The two men

http://www.msu.edu/course/mc/112/1920s/Sacco-Vanzetti/sacvanpics.gif

"I would not wish to a dog or to a snake, to the most low and misfortunate creature of the earth-I would not wish to any of them what I have had to suffer for things that I am not guilty of. But my conviction is that I have suffered for things I am guilty of. I am suffering because I am a radical and indeed I am a radical; I have suffered because I was an Italian, and indeed I am an Italian; I have suffered more for my family and for my beloved than for myself; but I am so convinced to be right that if you could execute me two times, and if I could be reborn two other times, I would live again to do what I have done already."

~Bartolomeo Vanzetti, on trial 1927

The great USA justice system at work...

To see more about the trial visit this site (http://www.msu.edu/course/mc/112/1920s/Sacco-Vanzetti/)
Conghaileach
23rd March 2003, 17:49
They were pardoned 50 years later, not that that would have made any difference. Kind of a lip sevice gesture.

The song about them by Woody Guthrie, and another version of it by Christy Moore, is very good.
Invader Zim
23rd March 2003, 18:49
Quote: from CiaranB on 5:49 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
They were pardoned 50 years later, not that that would have made any difference. Kind of a lip sevice gesture.

The song about them by Woody Guthrie, and another version of it by Christy Moore, is very good.

I suppose the apology may have helped their familys but i doubt it...
GuErRrIlLa
23rd March 2003, 21:09
Quote: from CiaranB on 5:49 pm on Mar. 23, 2003
They were pardoned 50 years later, not that that would have made any difference. Kind of a lip sevice gesture.

The song about them by Woody Guthrie, and another version of it by Christy Moore, is very good.

Dont forget about RATM no shelter video.
Valkyrie
24th March 2003, 01:03
Yes, Sacco and Vanzetti and also the Haymarket Martyrs who were protesting in Haymarket Sq in Chicago for an 8 hour workday and hung without evidence when a bomb was exploded during the protest.


http://infoshop.org/sacco_vanzetti.html
http://www.adena.com/adena/usa/hs/hs32.htm





(Edited by Paris at 1:10 am on Mar. 24, 2003)
man in the red suit
25th March 2003, 02:04
the Judge sentenced them to death because he said that even if they were innocent, their radical views made them deserving of death.

I also heard that one of them was probably guilty of the murder and that one of them was just at the wrong place at the worng time. can anyone confirm this or tell me which one was guilty and which one was innocent?
Invader Zim
25th March 2003, 09:46
Quote: from man in the red suit on 2:04 am on Mar. 25, 2003
the Judge sentenced them to death because he said that even if they were innocent, their radical views made them deserving of death.

I also heard that one of them was probably guilty of the murder and that one of them was just at the wrong place at the worng time. can anyone confirm this or tell me which one was guilty and which one was innocent?

Niether of them were guilty as some other guy admitted doing the crime.
man in the red suit
27th March 2003, 02:22
Quote: from AK47 on 9:46 am on Mar. 25, 2003

Quote: from man in the red suit on 2:04 am on Mar. 25, 2003
the Judge sentenced them to death because he said that even if they were innocent, their radical views made them deserving of death.

I also heard that one of them was probably guilty of the murder and that one of them was just at the wrong place at the worng time. can anyone confirm this or tell me which one was guilty and which one was innocent?

Niether of them were guilty as some other guy admitted doing the crime.

what if I admitted to killing JFK? does that mean I did it? There are such thing as crazy people and loonies you know. I am pretty sure that recent evidence confirms that one of them took part in the murder I just don't know which one exactly.
thursday night
27th March 2003, 02:43
What method of execution were they given? Gas chamber, I'm assuming?
Silent Eye
31st March 2003, 01:05
Ah, the Sacco and Vanzetti case, if you really want a good look at it, take a look at this link:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/sacco/saccomain.htm
Invader Zim
31st March 2003, 18:22
Quote: from thursday night on 2:43 am on Mar. 27, 2003
What method of execution were they given? Gas chamber, I'm assuming?


The chair... Not nice...