Juba the Iraqi sniper

[shadowed by the secret police]

Where it says "First video" click on "[2]". If anyone has the link to the video I would appreciate if you can post it on this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juba_%28sniper%29

[Red October]

fuck juba

[Noah]

I've seen many Juba videos i'll find them later, they're all old though I think they killed or captured him a while back!

[ahab]

Juba (http://www.hanein.org/images/iraq/vdo/kans2.wmv)


theres the link

[EwokUtopia]

Its only a matter of time until hollywood perverts his story with a movie staring Jude Law.

[MiniOswald]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2006 10:29 pm
Its only a matter of time until hollywood perverts his story with a movie staring Jude Law.
Yeah we'll end up with some shit like 'the hunt for Juba'

[Noah]

Juba is a great shot man, that's talent...Does anyone agree that he's probably killed or captured seeing as there's no new material in a long while now and supposedly the Americans caught a sniper in the back of a car?

Weird though, alot of his shots are higher up than road level...so how could he have been in a car..I dunno.

[ahab]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2006 10:29 pm
Its only a matter of time until hollywood perverts his story with a movie staring Jude Law.
if ur referring to enemy at the gates, i liked that movie ok lol probably the only one who did but it had a hot chick and a communist sniper killing nazi's so that made me pretty happy :)


EDIT: does anyone kno the name of the song or who put it out? the first song that is

[EwokUtopia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2006 02:13 am
if ur referring to enemy at the gates, i liked that movie ok lol probably the only one who did but it had a hot chick and a communist sniper killing nazi's so that made me pretty happy :)


EDIT: does anyone kno the name of the song or who put it out? the first song that is
It had its moments to be sure, but it was also a hollywood movie and had the standard weak plotline, very American looking actors, unbefiting accents, love triangles, and capitalist bias's. But it was my favourite movie for some time.

As to the song....what? I think I missed something, who was talking about a song? If your refering to what Juba is playing, then who knows what the title is, but that style of music is called Nasheed.

[ahab]

Originally posted by EwokUtopia+November 08, 2006 04:36 am--> (EwokUtopia @ November 08, 2006 04:36 am)
[email protected] 08, 2006 02:13 am
if ur referring to enemy at the gates, i liked that movie ok lol probably the only one who did but it had a hot chick and a communist sniper killing nazi's so that made me pretty happy :)


EDIT: does anyone kno the name of the song or who put it out? the first song that is
It had its moments to be sure, but it was also a hollywood movie and had the standard weak plotline, very American looking actors, unbefiting accents, love triangles, and capitalist bias's. But it was my favourite movie for some time.

As to the song....what? I think I missed something, who was talking about a song? If your refering to what Juba is playing, then who knows what the title is, but that style of music is called Nasheed. [/b]
i've heard that exact song thats in the beginning of juba in a beheading video i saw and was just wondering what the fuck they're saying, and i kinda like it too lol

[EwokUtopia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2006 06:04 am
i've heard that exact song thats in the beginning of juba in a beheading video i saw and was just wondering what the fuck they're saying, and i kinda like it too lol
Hmm, I have a few nasheeds on my computer, however I do not support the beheading video's. Shooting the people in an occupying army is one thing, kidnapping and beheading people is completely different. I have pity for the soldiers who are killed, the vast majority being poor kids recruited into the army because the american society gives them little, but unfortunately this is the price to be paid for occupation. In my opinion, the greatest heroes of contemperary America are the soldiers who refuse to go to Iraq, many of whom flee to my country of Canada. If only they would start fragging their officers and collaberating with the resistance.....but alas, its not a draft army, which is very good. The draft is one of the few things I truly fear, and if it comes than lucky me, I get to go to jail......where would a Canadian run to to avoid the draft?


Anyways, Im a rambler. Juba lives! But fuck the beheaders, that is not how you fight imperialism.

[ahab]

Originally posted by EwokUtopia+November 08, 2006 06:12 pm--> (EwokUtopia @ November 08, 2006 06:12 pm)
[email protected] 08, 2006 06:04 am
i've heard that exact song thats in the beginning of juba in a beheading video i saw and was just wondering what the fuck they're saying, and i kinda like it too lol
Hmm, I have a few nasheeds on my computer, however I do not support the beheading video's. Shooting the people in an occupying army is one thing, kidnapping and beheading people is completely different. I have pity for the soldiers who are killed, the vast majority being poor kids recruited into the army because the american society gives them little, but unfortunately this is the price to be paid for occupation. In my opinion, the greatest heroes of contemperary America are the soldiers who refuse to go to Iraq, many of whom flee to my country of Canada. If only they would start fragging their officers and collaberating with the resistance.....but alas, its not a draft army, which is very good. The draft is one of the few things I truly fear, and if it comes than lucky me, I get to go to jail......where would a Canadian run to to avoid the draft?


Anyways, Im a rambler. Juba lives! But fuck the beheaders, that is not how you fight imperialism. [/b]
yea im not a big fan of the politics behind the beheadings but i am just a sick and twisted person and like watching stuff like that lol i do feel sorry for them though, but then again they got themselves into it, whether being tricked into enlisting or what

anyway how is canada? i hear its a pretty tight place to live but dont kno much about the country. I hear the legal drinkin age is only 18 which is hella tight but what about living costs? is it cheap or what? im lookin for a new place to migrate to and really want to get out of the states. Do i need a passport or anything to get into canada?

[Red October]

the beheadings are sick and barbaric. i have no positive feelings toward the insurgency there. no resistance movement that kidnaps and massacres civilians and glorifies killing others can be truly legitimate. i feel bad for the american soldiers and i think alot of them really do have good intentions, though a huge number dont. i think its sometime neccessaryto kill the occupation forces, but its a different thing when you start making music videos out of it. i remember seeing a juba and beheading video and being disgusted by it. i doubt there will ever be collaboration bewtween americans and insurgents either.

and why would canada everh ave a draft? they seem to be pretty chill about not invading other countries every few years.

and why would

[EwokUtopia]

the beheadings are sick and barbaric. i have no positive feelings toward the insurgency there. no resistance movement that kidnaps and massacres civilians and glorifies killing others can be truly legitimate. i feel bad for the american soldiers and i think alot of them really do have good intentions, though a huge number dont. i think its sometime neccessaryto kill the occupation forces, but its a different thing when you start making music videos out of it. i remember seeing a juba and beheading video and being disgusted by it. i doubt there will ever be collaboration bewtween americans and insurgents either.

True, there are some bad factions in the Iraqi insurgency that must be dealt with, but these are not representitive of the insurgency on whole. The resistance in Iraq is perhaps one of the most factionized and divided resistances in the world. There are groups which commit inexcusable acts such as beheadings and attacks on fellow Iraqi's in a bid for power, but they are by no means the entire insurgency. There are many other groups who fight the occupation directly, and these are the people whom we must support, because it is absurd to think of Iraqi's welcoming the invaders with open arms, and only through resistance will the American Imperial Machine begin to break down and pull out. If there is no resistance, and America gets its way, we would likely see an even more divided Iraq with new Saddam-esque regimes supporting America's New Middle East policies. This is unacceptable. To say outright that the Insurgency is a bunch of Islamist terrorists beheading people left and right is as ridiculous as saying that anybody left of the Democrat party is a Stalin-loving Juche Autocrat. A few are. the vast majority are not.


and why would canada everh ave a draft? they seem to be pretty chill about not invading other countries every few years.

Canada has had the draft before, to the deaths of tens of thousands of young men in senseless wars like the First World War, which we were slaughtering our people with for three years before America decided to hop in to it.

Your view on my country is incomplete at best. We have soldiers in Afghanistan (and a few in Iraq unofficially) currently occupying that country to fulfill the New Middle East plan spearheaded by the US. Origionally, our involvement in Afghanistan wasnt so bad, or at least nobody thought so, we were removing a terrible rightist theocratic regime, but that led to an occupation which will last (if we dont change it) until 2009. Most of the funds that go into the "mission" in Afghanistan go to military operations, and not to humanitarian relief, which is what the "mission" is supposedly about. Furthermore, when we refused to go along with the war in Iraq (the vast majority of Canadians oppose it, and our leaders back then actually made a wise move for once), the US got all pissy with us and our then-Prime Minister Paul Martin. In the last elections, the Conservative Party, led by Stephen Harper, came to power in a minority government. Stephen Hitler is a huge sucker of American ass, and kisses up to the US on every chance he gets, so what does he do right after coming to power last october? He steps up Canadian involvement in the occupation of Afghanistan, mainly so America could send more troops away from Afghanistan to Iraq, basically getting Canada to do the American Empires second-priority jobs.

Canada is now the leading occupier of Afghanistan, and the PM and his Conservative (and a few blue Liberal) lackeys have stopped lowering the flag whenever a young Canadian is senselessly killed in a war we should not be complicit in, and has made photographs and videos of flag-draped coffins illegal. If a big war breaks out with Iran or North korea soon, Canada, id still Conservative, will likely go in as one of Amerikkka's lead allies. If America issues a draft, Canada will likely follow suit.

So no, we aren't exactly "chill about not invading other countries every few years".



We also have the "Support Our Troops" people to contend with, and I saw a particularly disturbing bumper sticker on a car the other day. It was the yellow ribbon, but the hole of the ribbon wasnt an Oval as per usual, but a cross. Hurray for the Canadian Crusade!

[Red October]

i havent heard of many secular insurgent groups in iraq. it seems like the ones committing most of the violence and attacks of us troops are islamists, but im not any sort of expert on this so i could very well be wrong.

[EwokUtopia]

There is a difference between Islamist and Islamic. For instance, not all of the Islamic insurgent groups in Iraq are trying to form an Islamic state. We are talking about a region which is not as secularized as many other regions, so it is only natural that most of the resistance groups would reflect the fact that most of the people are religious. Or is a religious worker worth less than an Atheist worker? Remember, more than two thirds of the worlds workers are religious, and they wont give that up overnight. If they are all your enemies, then the revolution has already failed.

[Red October]

i dont have a problem with them being islamic, but it seems that so much of the violence is motivated by religion and clashes between sunni and shiite muslims rather than a genuine desire to create a stable and just state.

[Patchd]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 09, 2006 10:50 pm
i dont have a problem with them being islamic, but it seems that so much of the violence is motivated by religion and clashes between sunni and shiite muslims rather than a genuine desire to create a stable and just state.
I have to agree with RO 1922 here, although I have to admit he's a good shot, wouldn't like to be an American soldier in Iraq, are they mostly volunteers, because if they are then serves them right.

[EwokUtopia]

They are all volunteers, but you also have to consider the fact that they are almost all brainwashed kids with few prospects in American society who were brought in by the Army's bogus promises of education and "a future". It is a sad story to be sure, but they are responsible for far worse stories, which is why they need to be fought against. Many, if not most, do not want to be in Iraq, but they have no choice. There is a film called Occupation Dreamland that I suggest everyone watches. It is a documentary (without commentary of any kind) about the soldiers, filmed in a very Kubrick-esque manner, and you feel sympathy for most of them, anger at a few of them, and general hatred of the system that brought them over there. They are, for the most part, ignorant schmucks, and it is infinately better to educate them than fight them, but when they are oppressing and murdering innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan, education is not allways a luxury afforded to us.

The insurgency is a completely fractured thing, and to say it is all Sunni/Shiite violence is like saying the troubles in Ireland are completely about Protestant/Catholic religious disputes. Like in Ireland, Sunni's and Shiites represent different social classes, with the Shiite being on average far poorer. Hezbollah is a good example of this, it is a Shiite organization, but that isnt as much of a religious issue as it is a class issue. There are many Sunni and even Maronite Christian supporters of Hezbollah (espcially after summer) and it is not an organization which is trying to establish an Islamic state. But Hezbollah is a unified organization. The Insurgency is not, judge each group individually, do not generalize.

Also, I suspect much of this Sunni/Shi'a rift has been manufactured by the US much in the same way that the Maronite/Muslim issue in Lebanon was manufactured by France, and the Tutsi/Hutu issue in Rwanda was manufactured by Belgium. This is an issue of haves and have nots.

[Red October]

yes, they are volunteers. but i dont see how we can oppose military recruiters at home and try to save people who might join up, then support them getting shot once they do join the military. alot of the people who join up genuinely think they're doing good for their country and their people, and i dont fault them for wanting to help their community. there are also some who join up just to "shoot towelheads" and drive a tank, but i dont think thats the majority of the soldiers.

[EwokUtopia]

And you dont think that there were any poor schmucks in the Wehrmacht who thought they were protecting their families and people? They didnt know about what their country was doing, and the American soldiers by and large do not understand the effects of imperialist capitalism, yet, we could not aloow those wehrmacht soldiers, no matter how noble their intentions were to carry out the mission of their commanders, and we can not allow the American grunts to do the same. I could never do what the insurgents do, but I have not seen members of my family killed by a foriegn occupying force. But still, the primary front of the resistance, and the revolution in general, must be education to counter the propaganda that perpetuates institutions like the US Army and other such wonders. The ruling class comprises perhaps less than .001% of humanity, the rest who support their goals are its underlings in one way or another, if we make them realize this, and win their support, change will be bloodless. Books, not bullets, are the key to a successful change in society.

And yes I broke Godwins law, but who the fuck cares? some laws are meant to be broken.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 09, 2006 08:56 am
the beheadings are sick and barbaric. i have no positive feelings toward the insurgency there. no resistance movement that kidnaps and massacres civilians and glorifies killing others can be truly legitimate. i feel bad for the american soldiers and i think alot of them really do have good intentions, though a huge number dont. i think its sometime neccessaryto kill the occupation forces, but its a different thing when you start making music videos out of it. i remember seeing a juba and beheading video and being disgusted by it. i doubt there will ever be collaboration bewtween americans and insurgents either.

and why would canada everh ave a draft? they seem to be pretty chill about not invading other countries every few years.

and why would
It is called propaganda.

[Patchd]

And you dont think that there were any poor schmucks in the Wehrmacht who thought they were protecting their families and people?

To be fair, Hitler had introduced conscription in Germany in 1936, the majority of those guys in the Wehrmacht were conscripts.

But Red October, will you hate the army of a capitalist nation if they shoot at demonstrators and revolutionaries? Just because they may have been brainwashed by the bourgeoise media and because of this they choose to join the army and "fight for their country" doesn't make what they do right, if you partake in a revolution (which I suppose you would do when it comes), the army will be one of the first weapons the bourgeoisie would use to crush us and the proletariat, would you not fight back against them and condemn their actions? Ok, if those soldiers were conscripted then sure as hell I would not hate them as much, I would still shoot them if they tried to shoot me first but conscripted soldiers have less of a motivation to fight for their bourgeoisie, a lot of them may desert and join our ranks, volunteers would be less likely to do that.

[Red October]

if there was a revolution, i would fight them if they opposed it. but things are not that clear-cut in iraq. alot of the guys shooting soldiers are just as bad, if not worse. the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

[Intifada]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 11, 2006 06:28 pm
if there was a revolution, i would fight them if they opposed it. but things are not that clear-cut in iraq. alot of the guys shooting soldiers are just as bad, if not worse. the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.
The biggest obstacle to progress in Iraq is the US-led occupation.

The only way to get rid of that obstacle is to kick the occupying forces out.

Bush et al are not going to voluntarily bring the troops home, which leaves no option other than for the Iraqi people to send them home in body bags.

[Patchd]

alot of the guys shooting soldiers are just as bad, if not worse

I don't know about that, I would support their actions as they are conducted with the intention of expelling the imperialist coalition forces, but I don't agree with the theocracy they would like to introduce into Iraq.

[LuXe]

Dont forget it is bad that human lives are beeing lost, no matter how screwed with they were. (or were screwing us, no matter...)

[Red October]

I don't know about that, I would support their actions as they are conducted with the intention of expelling the imperialist coalition forces, but I don't agree with the theocracy they would like to introduce into Iraq.

i think alot of them are motivated more by the theocratic part and less by expelling imperialism. thats not to say all of them are, but many of the insurgents are religious zealots.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by EwokUtopia+November 08, 2006 05:36 am--> (EwokUtopia @ November 08, 2006 05:36 am)
[email protected] 08, 2006 02:13 am
if ur referring to enemy at the gates, i liked that movie ok lol probably the only one who did but it had a hot chick and a communist sniper killing nazi's so that made me pretty happy :)


EDIT: does anyone kno the name of the song or who put it out? the first song that is
It had its moments to be sure, but it was also a hollywood movie and had the standard weak plotline, very American looking actors, unbefiting accents, love triangles, and capitalist bias's. But it was my favourite movie for some time.

As to the song....what? I think I missed something, who was talking about a song? If your refering to what Juba is playing, then who knows what the title is, but that style of music is called Nasheed. [/b]
Whats your address, I want to send you a £5 note so you can buy your self a clue.

1. Enemy at the Gates was not produced by a Hollywood Studio - thus it is not a Hollywood film. Indeed, it had numerous production companies only one of which was a major Hollywood company - Paramount, who distibuted the film. the film was made by a French direcor and its producers were not from the US. I don't know where you have this idea that it is Hollywood movie - its not even an American movie.

2. Very American looking actors? Well thats odd because it only had one American actor in its main cast, the cast was primarily British. Jude Law, Joseph Fiennes, Rachel Weiz, Bob Hoskins and Gabriel Thomson are all from the U.K., not the US.

3. Unbefiting accents? You would rather they make a film in English, but have the actors put on shocking attempts at foreign accents? Or alternatively they could save us that shock and horror by using their own accents? The best scenario from my perspective would be to film it in Russian and German; I enjoy subtitled films - but I am rare.

[Xiao Banfa]

Actually, most people I know (and not just the indie film buff type) really like subtitles.

It'ss really authentic.

[Xiao Banfa]

Whats your address, I want to send you a £5 note so you can buy your self a clue.

I don't have a clue- please send me the fiver.

You know how much that is in my country? Enough to buy two kebab combos!

Or a pack of fags and a beer at a bar.

[Patchd]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 11, 2006 08:09 pm

I don't know about that, I would support their actions as they are conducted with the intention of expelling the imperialist coalition forces, but I don't agree with the theocracy they would like to introduce into Iraq.

i think alot of them are motivated more by the theocratic part and less by expelling imperialism. thats not to say all of them are, but many of the insurgents are religious zealots.
Nonetheless their actions are anti-imperialist, which I support.

[Red October]

anti-imperialist or not, the end result that many of these insurgents want to achieve would be equally terrible.

[Patchd]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 13, 2006 03:05 am
anti-imperialist or not, the end result that many of these insurgents want to achieve would be equally terrible.
The end result may well be bad, but it will be better than the imperialist occupation of Iraq.

[Lings]

The tales of the iraqie resistance being a muslim fanatic-dominated force is a load of crap. There are a lot of islamists there, but they probably not more than around 20-30% of the movement. Most of the people fighting the occupation (the armed wing of the resistance) is the disbanded iraqie army.
Iraq was allways a quite secular country, for political islam to get a foothold and real popular support there would be hard. Terms like shi'te and sunni didnt become important before after the invation, and still is way more important for the western media than it is for the iraqies themselves, who most of the time is in the same families as both shi'tes and sunnies. A very large part of the civillian resistance and their organizations who fight with non violent means to kick out the imperialists and who gather support for the armed resistance, like the IPA is leftwing, humanist, and quite a few are also communist and revolutionary. People like al sadr were condemned by all the rest of the resistance.

[subcal]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2006 10:42 pm

Weird though, alot of his shots are higher up than road level...so how could he have been in a car..I dunno.
I think there was photos floating around of a blue van that had been set up like the DC sniper ride.

People talk of direct action, nothing is more direct then a cold shot!

[ComradeOm]

Originally posted by Palachinov+November 13, 2006 09:09 am--> (Palachinov @ November 13, 2006 09:09 am)
Red October [email protected] 13, 2006 03:05 am
anti-imperialist or not, the end result that many of these insurgents want to achieve would be equally terrible.
The end result may well be bad, but it will be better than the imperialist occupation of Iraq. [/b]
Better for you. Its amazing how different that is from being better for the average Iraqi on the street.