saddam hussain sentenced to death

[redxroses]

was it right?

i don't know much about iraq before the war but it seems that saddam killed the people he did as a reaction to an assasination attempt. So i guess thats similar to the US sentencing terrorists to death

isn't it?

[VenceremosRed]

Saddam needs to die. But, Saddam being killed by bankrolled U.S. courts is really just one bully beating up another bully.

Saddam made his career by killing communists and radical leftists. He is no friend to us. But, that doesn't mean we support the biggest bully (U.S. imperialism) running the show either. We want an end the whole bully system.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

If Pinochet, Bush, Blair, Suharto had been executed together with him, I would have felt Saddam's execution was a proper thing to do. Now it's more of a occupational fest.

[Red October]

he killed alot more people than he was tried in court for. he was a fascist and iraq sucked under him, butit sucked in a different way than it does now. i dont think he should be killed, but i wont feel any sadness when he dies.

[VenceremosRed]

Originally posted by Red October [email protected] 05, 2006 04:26 pm
he killed alot more people than he was tried in court for. he was a fascist and iraq sucked under him, butit sucked in a different way than it does now. i dont think he should be killed, but i wont feel any sadness when he dies.
I agree with you, entirely, but I want to challenge you do more searching.

- Who did he kill and for what purpose?
- Why was a U.S. ally then an enemy?
- Why does the U.S. prop up some mass murdering dictators and not others?
- Does the U.S. ruling class care at all if he was a mass murderer?

[Red October]

i know the us was addam's ally. we gave him guns, money, and all that good stuff. have you read "Rogue State" by William Blum? It's got alot of great info on US support of saddam and other dictators. its a great book for revlefters.

[LoneRed]

oh coming out right before the elections, how nice.

[tecumseh]

it's silly how people (most of them not the ones who were effected by him) are acting all happy and blood thirsty about it. there are alot of presidents/goverments who commited/are commiting crimes against humanity yet noone calls for their hanging. his execution will most likely cause more death. how wonderful.

there was this story about the prince who didn't kill the dictator, he said something along the lines that one more person killed will repeat the cycle of killings and wars. it's so true.

who was that btw?

[AlwaysAnarchy]

I am against the death penalty as it is barbaric so no I don't support execuiting Saddam - even though he was a bastard.

[Political_Chucky]

Just another dictator who we don't need to worry about.

[Entrails Konfetti]

Well that sure is the worst way to be let go by an employer!

[EwokUtopia]

Give Saddam a scimitar and give Bush a branch, put them in a death arena and let them entertain the people. Thats the only humaine solution I can think of at the moment.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by EL [email protected] 05, 2006 02:16 pm
Well that sure is the worst way to be let go by an employer!
:lol: :lol:

Thats what happends when you turn on the beast. Once you are employed by the U$ it is a life long commitment or death.

[Jhé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 08:00 pm
Give Saddam a scimitar and give Bush a branch, put them in a death arena and let them entertain the people. Thats the only humaine solution I can think of at the moment.
no no, more damage can be done if you give bush the scimitar and saddam the branch...

knowing bush he will probably hold it the wrong way round, and kill himself by accidental self inflicted wounds...

saddam doesnt have to lift a finger

[Jazzratt]

I won't shed a tear, but I'm not about to crack open thwe bubbly. We still have worse people to worry about in the world. We have a whole class of the fuckers.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

So when is the execution going to take place?

[Noah]

Meh...1 less dictator...My parents and relatives were celebrating this morning (they're Iraqi)..

Saddam is so entertaining in court though, after he dies i'll miss those court appearances of his...We yust to come together to watch Saddam be a retard in court and get sent out, or just Saddam making a random speech in court...Him and his brother...man..they were vain.

The execution won't happen until 1 month minimum, I think it will be in 1-2 months..

[Kia]

Not a support of the Death Penalty, no matter what. A permanent life sentence in prison would have been better in my opinion.
As with a lot of people on this board, I'm skeptical of the whole court trial, The timing of the verdict (midterm elections), the continual changing of the judges, and the whole situation the trial was held in basically points to the fact that the verdict was destined from the beginning. NO WAY was the USA going to let Saddam off with living.

I think i remember reading that Saddam can appeal the ruling so that&#39;ll take a couple more weeks but who knows when the execution will tale place. Maybe they&#39;ll hold it off till the presidential elections? <_<

[AlwaysAnarchy]

lol&#33; yup..typical politics..always gotta be an October or in this case Novemeber surprise right before an election&#33;&#33;

[Tatarin]

I&#39;d say it&#39;s a tricky situation. Now that Saddam dies, they&#39;ll let him take the easy way out. He should spend the rest of his life in a sunken prison cell to think of all the crimes he did. But that would probably be hard to, sooner or later he would be freed by his followers.

The killing of Saddam is another symbol of "US victory", so to say. I think the death sentence was placed on him already in the beginning. Would they let Castro or Kim Jong Il live if they were captured?

[The Bitter Hippy]

more state murder, except this time the bastard deserves it. wow.

but as has been said before, it&#39;s like a rapist killing a domestic abuser. Only problem is that now it makes the rapist look sorry for it, and improves his credibility.

Best thing to do would be to let him go in the kurdish north or sadr city, and let the people he hurt get their hands on him. That way all the states get criticized, and true state-less justice is done.

[loveme4whoiam]

I read that he wants to have the firing squad rather than the hangman, which is fair enough I guess. I mean, I&#39;d want to.

But yeah, everyone&#39;s right, that sentence was on him since the day he got caught.

[Andy Bowden]

Donald Rumsfeld has lost a good friend :(

[Red October]

the whole trial seemed to go really fast. murder trials in america can take much longer than saddam&#39;s did. but now that hes going to die, he&#39;ll probably just become a martyr for the insurgents.

[Module]

Mmm, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s okay to kill him, for the same reason I don&#39;t think it&#39;s okay to take the life of anybody, but even if I was to think he deserved the death sentence, the U.S. doesn&#39;t have the right to do it.
All in all it will just one more life the U.S. government has taken.

[Noah]

Yes he wanted the firing squad not the hangman...I&#39;d take the hangman :S

[Solitary Mind]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 11:56 pm
Yes he wanted the firing squad not the hangman...I&#39;d take the hangman :S
nah, i would take firing squad, is usually quicker and alot less pain and panic....

when your hung..i mean...damn

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 11:35 am
was it right?


Hell yes.

[Comrade_Scott]

Saddam getting the death sentence wont change a damn thing.. if anything it will only help throw iraq further into civil war. kinda sad a lose lose situation... but me personaly i agree to let him hang (wish the people had done it themselves)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Bush is responsible for the deaths of many more people.. when&#39;s his court date?

Not until we have proletarian justice.

This court, like the "international courts," are a huge fucking sham. They&#39;re used by the U.S. and other imperialist countries as a propaganda tool. "See we got rid of Sadadam, and he was a war criminal, even an Iraqi court agreed&#33;"

Saddam should be brought to justice, but this isn&#39;t justice, it&#39;s COURT-TV Iraq, and the imperialists are the sponsors.


Well that sure is the worst way to be let go by an employer&#33;

:lol: :lol:

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Solitary Mind+November 06, 2006 11:30 am--> (Solitary Mind @ November 06, 2006 11:30 am)
[email protected] 05, 2006 11:56 pm
Yes he wanted the firing squad not the hangman...I&#39;d take the hangman :S
nah, i would take firing squad, is usually quicker and alot less pain and panic....

when your hung..i mean...damn [/b]
Not really. Many people survive being shot, even in the head. Though the possibility is unlikely. I am not sure where they would shot him, in the head or chest. If it is in the chest, then he has to wait a few seconds for large amounts of blood loss. In some cases if the aim is off then it could take hours for blood loss, although I assume they would shoot him again. Even in the head, (I have shoot animals before) it can take awhile. I assume that a bullet can go through the brain doing damage, but in some cases it takes awhile for the creature to die.

With hanging, if you it is done correctly you are killed instantly. The victim dies from the neck being snaped. If the rope is not designed specifically for the victim, then he will just strangly to death. In Saddams case they would do it professional and have a higher succes of instant death.

I think the fire squad is just a chosen method of political figures and soldiers. I believe that certian figures have even been denied the right to a firing squad, on the basis it is considered a more honorable death.


Any Saddam shouldn&#39;t have been tried under occupation. If the US are true to their word that 1) they can leave voluntary 2) when the leave Iraq will have a function democracy, then they should have no trouble accepting these conditions. This way it favours all parties.

[Rollo]

I&#39;de want lethal injection? Was sadaam not given the option to a humane death?

[Vargha Poralli]

1) It wont help the Iraqi workers.

2) It will hurt US too because he will become a martyr and the insurgents might intensify the fighting.

3) It will further hurt US since Saddam is no more the Shias and Kurds might see no reason tolerating the occupation.

4) It will further hurt the innocent Iraqis because no more Saddam the Islamic fundamentalists will gain more upper hand in the political scene. if there was one thing good Saddam did it was keeping Islamic fundamentalism in check(because in any way they are threat to him).


The possible action could have been giving him a life sentence.since it will not give any incentive to the republican&#39;s in forth coming elections it will not happen.

Saddam is no saint . So is US. We can do nuthing .

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I&#39;de want lethal injection? Was sadaam not given the option to a humane death?

Lethal injections aren&#39;t humane. They dope you and rig you up so you&#39;re paralyzed, but studies have found that alot of times you can still feel excruciating pain after being injected with the poison. It can last some time, and no one even know what&#39;s going on because you can&#39;t express it.

[Vargha Poralli]

Originally posted by Compañ[email protected] 06, 2006 12:26 pm

I&#39;de want lethal injection? Was sadaam not given the option to a humane death?

Lethal injections aren&#39;t humane. They dope you and rig you up so you&#39;re paralyzed, but studies have found that alot of times you can still feel excruciating pain after being injected with the poison. It can last some time, and no one even know what&#39;s going on because you can&#39;t express it.
even using a cyanide ? :huh:

the LTTE rebels have one capsule in a pedant form around their neck. if in any way they are about to be captured and if they have no way of escaping they would immediatly commint sucide by biting that capsule and will be dead in nxt 30-50 seconds . i would take that inste of being hanged . if any one wants more humane way of murdering a person . :(

[Karl Marx's Camel]

they would immediatly commint sucide by biting that capsule and will be dead in nxt 30-50 seconds .

I believe I have heard it is closer to 3-5 seconds than 30-50.

[Rollo]

I learnt in science those little glass cyanide pills are around 5-10 seconds and boom. Dropped dead.

[Tekun]

Like others have mentioned, Pinochet-Suharto-Sharon and others are still living because they never bit the hand that fed them, as for Hussein and his trial: a joke, a complete joke
They guy&#39;s as guilty as one can be, but how can u have a fair and impartial trial during an occupation that deposed his regime?
I think he deserves to die, but not by the hands of the American puppets, but rather at the hands of the Iraqi ppl
This entire trial is a sham, its used for show and a way to "rally the troops and the homefront" during election time
If anything, this is likely to stir up more resistance amongst the Iraqis

[Sadena Meti]

I really don&#39;t understand why the guillotine is not still in use. I mean… WHOOMP… done.


Back on the subject, the trial was a joke. Complete farce, complete fix. Oh, and an illegal court. But who cares.

[Rollo]

Originally posted by rev&#045;[email protected] 07, 2006 12:30 am
I really don&#39;t understand why the guillotine is not still in use. I mean… WHOOMP… done.


Back on the subject, the trial was a joke. Complete farce, complete fix. Oh, and an illegal court. But who cares.
I knew I wasn&#39;t the only one that thought guillotine was more &#39;humane&#39; than hanging.

[Ell Carino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 06:37 pm
I am against the death penalty as it is barbaric so no I don&#39;t support execuiting Saddam - even though he was a bastard.
How is killing a defenceless old man gonna achieve anything? Fuck the death penalty. The people who allowed him to kill so many people for so long are just as "guilty".

[BurnTheOliveTree]

You kill Hussein, you make a martyr, the resolve of his nutjob supporters strengthens, terrorism hits the roof, fundamentalism flourishes.


Other than that, yeah, fuckin&#39; &#39;ang &#39;im guv.

-Alex

[Noah]

You kill Hussein, you make a martyr, the resolve of his nutjob supporters strengthens, terrorism hits the roof, fundamentalism flourishes.

You&#39;re probably right, Saddam&#39;s death won&#39;t cool the situation down at all, it would probably exacerbate things but I think so many Iraqis want him dead just because at one point he was so powerful and now him and his family are going the gallows like he sent many Iraqis...I think that&#39;s all they want to hear that "Justice" has been done and to many Iraqis I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a fair trial or life sentence they just want him dead and his henchmen dead too.

[Dr Mindbender]

once he&#39;s dead watch the sectarian violence by sunni muslim pro-baathists esculate. This is the religous war that the neo-con judaeo-christians have been praying for.This time theyve got another Northern Ireland or Balkans on their hands, only x 10 worse. :(

[Leo]

Not killing him also will cause problems, possibly even bigger problems in Iraq.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Leo [email protected] 06, 2006 06:30 pm
Not killing him also will cause problems, possibly even bigger problems in Iraq.
They should have let him rot in prison for the rest of his life and deny him martyrdom. Or at least tie him up and hand him over to the shi&#39;ites or the kurds like another poster suggested, let them rip him to pieces instead.

[Noah]

They should have let him rot in prison for the rest of his life and deny him martyrdom. Or at least tie him up and hand him over to the shi&#39;ites or the kurds like another poster suggested, let them rip him to pieces instead.

I&#39;d want the people to rip him apart too, I think the Iraqi people want tha too&#33;

Thing is, the "life sentence" looks quite comfortable, supposedly he gets crisps (chips) ... lots of them and other luxuries...If you put him in a closed off sewer that would be great but somehow I doubt that he will be treated that badly...and I almost worry that if they don&#39;t kill him he might come back :(

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 06:39 pm

They should have let him rot in prison for the rest of his life and deny him martyrdom. Or at least tie him up and hand him over to the shi&#39;ites or the kurds like another poster suggested, let them rip him to pieces instead.

I&#39;d want the people to rip him apart too, I think the Iraqi people want tha too&#33;

Thing is, the "life sentence" looks quite comfortable, supposedly he gets crisps (chips) ... lots of them and other luxuries...If you put him in a closed off sewer that would be great but somehow I doubt that he will be treated that badly...and I almost worry that if they don&#39;t kill him he might come back :(
..I think he&#39;d be more likely to slip into obscurity like other madmen of the same notoriety, particulary Frederick Hess, one of the main designers of the holocaust who slipped the hangmans noose and got a life sentence instead. The difference between Goering and Hussain is that saddam still has a credible support base in terms of public opinion. The nazis never had this after WW2 hence the scope for retributary violence, possibly even against western interests in our own homelands.

[Kez]

why not execution, who would end up paying for his upkeep in prison? the iraqi workers or US, so why should they take the burden.

the guy was a murderer. its a non-issue, unless u can create the alternative of him paying for his own upkeep through labour.

[Sadena Meti]

Reality TV. Find a small island, put all the despotic leaders on it, film it, Survivor style. Pays for itself.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

I would prefer that he were humiliated, and shown to be defeated rather than defiantly being sent to his grave. If he appeared on TV tomorrow, grovelling and renouncing his crimes, THAT would be satisfaction for the iraqis. All they see now is a man who is every bit the tyrant he used to be, still proud, still claiming leadership of Iraq, making a mockery of the justice system, and gaining unnecessary support on the platform of the death sentence.

Heck, even Blair had the balls to oppose the death sentence, and that&#39;s saying something given his full time job as Bush&#39;s poodle.

-Alex

[Red October]

I would prefer that he were humiliated, and shown to be defeated rather than defiantly being sent to his grave. If he appeared on TV tomorrow, grovelling and renouncing his crimes, THAT would be satisfaction for the iraqis. All they see now is a man who is every bit the tyrant he used to be, still proud, still claiming leadership of Iraq, making a mockery of the justice system, and gaining unnecessary support on the platform of the death sentence.

i agree. we should have done something to take away his pride. now he&#39;ll go to the gallows defiant as ever and get the maryr&#39;s death he wants. does anyone know what happened to the other defendents?

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by Red October 1922+November 06, 2006 03:43 pm--> (Red October 1922 &#064; November 06, 2006 03:43 pm)we should have done something to take away his pride[/b]

The Princess Bride
To the pain means the first thing you lose will be your feet, below the ankles, then your hands at the wrists, next your nose. The next thing you lose will be your left eye, followed by your right
-- and then my ears, I understand. Let&#39;s get on with it --
Wrong&#33; Your ears you keep, and I&#39;ll tell you why -- so that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish -- every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, "Dear God, what is that thing?" will echo in your perfect ears. That is what "to the pain" means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever.


Great movie.

[Noah]

I wish they&#39;d torture him or make him suffer but I just doubt it will happen,I think they will treat him well in prison...So I think he should just die...meh...why waste money on him anyway.

[Janus]

Of course, Saddam was only charged with a small fraction of the murders that he was responsible for so I think he got off easy on that matter.

Also, it&#39;s ironic that after Saddam&#39;s death, many of his supporters may be reinstated into power.

Iraq law may reinstate Saddam supporters (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061106/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq)

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 12:15 am
Saddam getting the death sentence wont change a damn thing..
Probably not, but I think one less tyrant in the world is something to celebrate, is it not?

[grove street]

When civil war breaks out in Iraq, who should we support more the secularist Baathistas or the Islamic Shia?

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by grove [email protected] 07, 2006 04:51 am
When civil war breaks out in Iraq, who should we support more the secularist Baathistas or the Islamic Shia?
Niether, both are oppressive and both should be abolished, because niether will give the iraqi people freedom; also saddam was a baathist leader, ;) .

[Cheung Mo]

I despise Saddam, but he was better than those Shi&#39;ite death squads running around Iraq killing sexual/gender minorities and liberated women.

[Noah]

I despise Saddam, but he was better than those Shi&#39;ite death squads running around Iraq killing sexual/gender minorities and liberated women.

As much as I don&#39;t mind seeing him dead, that is true...gay, lesbian, religious minorities (Christian, Mandaean and a few Jewish I hear many more too)..It&#39;s like a genocide for those people in Iraq.

But you can&#39;t turn back the clock now, the Iraqi people should have got democracy when they were ready for it (they would have toppled him when they wanted to not the Americans) but they were not ready for it and the imperialists used their "democratic" facade to take Iraq and now there&#39;s a nasty mess...

What you have now is a loose string, Saddam and his posse..You may aswell just kill him...He was a criminal, an oppressor of people, so there&#39;s no point on wasting food, clothing and time on him..Just let him hang :ph34r:

[Guerrilla22]

Saddam should be put to death, along with Rumsfeld and all the people who supported Saddam while working for the Reagan Regime.

[kaaos_af]

I don&#39;t feel good about this at all. I know Saddam wasn&#39;t great, but killing him isn&#39;t the solution. Gut feeling.

Besides, instaed of going down in Iraqi history as a dictator who murdered socialists, he&#39;ll be looked at by many as a hero martyr who resisted US oppression.

[Lings]

Well, what should be done towards saddam aint my buisness. Nor is it the puppet court of the american occupations buisness. Its the buisness of the iraqie people, or rather, a real iraqie sovreign court. The occupation government has no right in sentencing saddam to anything at all, the occupation police, millitary or correctional system has no right in killing him, the occupation has no right in sentencing, imprisoning or killing anybody at all, ever. If anything, they should be imprisoned and killed.

Make the imperialists withdraw all troops, may the iraqie people crush the new puppet regime and then, let the new regime decide what is to be done with saddam.

[commiecrusader]

It would be much more beneficial, and serve as a much worse punishment for him to restrict him to life imprisonment without any benefits such as tv etc. Caging a man like him, so used to and adoring of power, would be much better than ending his life. As has been said before, this makes him into a martyr. He obviously isn&#39;t bothered about it, in fact he&#39;s now kissing U&#036; ass and calling for peace. He has what he wants, an eternal place in people&#39;s memories and history, a legacy life imprisonment would have been much less likely to give.

[tecumseh]

Originally posted by grove [email protected] 07, 2006 08:51 am
When civil war breaks out in Iraq, who should we support more the secularist Baathistas or the Islamic Shia?
Whichever side kills the most americans and brits.