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Hiero
5th November 2006, 07:10
Here is an essay I did for uni. I lost a few marks for poor expression but I think it is an ok run down. I got 70/100. They part on Taussig's work in Colombia was hard to understand.

Shamanism in South America.

Shamanism is the connection between the physical world and the unseen world. Shamans are people who are able to make this transcendence. They often use a hallucinogenic drug to have visions, which they can interrupt. Shamans transcend into a higher plane to gain information, this can be used for healing or attacking potential enemies. This essay looks at the practice of such rituals and relationships between the drug and users. All Shamans are from South America, in such places as Western Amazon and North Peru. The essay compares visions between two racial/social groups. It is also noteworthy to make a comparison between woman and male shamans. Between the two genders there is a difference surrounding the ideas, methods and goals of healing.

Shamanism often involves rituals with a group of people. During the ritual the Shamans or people under guidance of the Shaman consume a drug to induce a hallucinogenic trance. Gerardo Reichel-Dolmatoff (1971) recorded one such ritual of the Desana people in the Northwest Amazon.

The drug used in this ritual is created from a vine called yaje or gahpi in Desana language. It is pounded and then created into a watery mixture, which it is then stored in a sacred pot. The ceremony is organised by either kumu (priest) or a paye (shaman). They invite people several times a year to participate. Participates are mostly all males over 30. The liquid is poured into a cup and passed around to be consumed. The ritual takes place in a maloca, which is a hut. Smoking tobacco is necessary to produce the desired hallucinations (1971, p.172).

Women are present at the event and sit in the back. Their role is to animate the men. This involves singing and chanting to the men to continue drinking. They do not consume the drug (1971, p.172, 174).

The hallucinations have phases. The men hallucinate that they leave the world and enter the Milk Way. After this they travel to different places, travelling through each place in an order like a linear journey. The whole time they describe the experience to the kumu, who then interprets their hallucinations. Any men who become nauseated leave the maloca. These tend to be the younger men (1971, p.173).

The ritual is meant to reaffirm their religious faith. Through personal experience, it strengthens their belief. They see the prominent religious figures of their creation myths during their journey, this further convinces them. The whole time the kumu has been a guide who explains all, so there is no misconceptions (1971, p.174)

This Shamanistic ritual is a religious conviction. They use the yaje to enter a trance which they are now able to travel from the physical world. They are able to establish divine contact by conducting the ritual. (1971, p.174). This is one example of a shamanistic ritual with the use of drugs. The example also shows relationships and hierarchy. The kumu is an authority to the men taking the drug. They are dependant on him to understand and achieve the desired hallucinogenic trance.

Visions seen while in a trance are very important in the healing process. People will see experience different vision, and this vision have special connotations to the viewer. Taussig (1986) worked with Indians in southwest Colombia, and compares two visions. Both men have taken the drug yage while under guidance of a shaman.

The first vision is an Indian man’s most powerful vision, which occurred while helping cure a sick woman. At first the vision begins with angels coming from the clouds. As the drug’s influence increases he begins to see a city. He described shamans and other people forming the streets of the city, while dancing to music. He describes this people as “yage people”. The next thing he sees is the Colombian army. They are describing as being dress superior to everyone else and they are covered in gold. It is the army who has the ability to heal. (1986, 322-323).

The other vision is from a White man, he took the drug under shaman guidance at age 15 after his uncle persuasion. He has a negative attitude towards the Indians. Tausigg takes not that this man believes that yage can’t heal, it only reveals to the shaman how to heal. His vision involves animals, first a pig then a tiger then snake. His vision also involves storms and darkness. He also sees the devil, when questioned afterwards the devil is synonymous with the shamans. This seems to be the case as in his recount he views the shaman, then the devil immediately after one another. In his vision he dies, but is brought back to life after meeting god who tells him to return (1986, p.325-327).

The significance of these stories is when they are compared. The Indian views the Colombian as magnificent and helps the shaman heal. The White colonialist views the shaman as the devil. His story includes wildness, seen in the animals and storms. The analysis by Taussig is that both visions are the antithesis of these individuals. He’s analysis is the two vision display underlying colonial reality (1986, p.327). He’s ultimately analysis in the differences of vision is that it is a racial class war. It is a struggle with sorcery for the search for redemption (1986, p.330). The colonist and coloniser have both crossed each others world looking for their cure.

Apart from difference between racial groups, genders also have different ideas about shamanistic power. Bonnie Glass-Coffin conducted field work in North Peru on female Shamans. Her book is a feminist analysis and very personal. Her focus of study was on women and their relationship with shamanistic healing. There are two types of shamans in this society, those that heal (curanderos) and those who inflict harm. Both Shamans conduct there ritual at a ritual alter (mesa) and use San Pedro Cactus to travel into the unseen world so they can find the cause of the illness. They understand the travelling as spiritual not physical. The mesa ritual is done between sundown and midnight, the San Pedro is served around the group and then the healer performs actions to draw out the dano (the inflicted harm). This is the basic ritual, which is conducted by men, Glass-Coffin is interested in woman healers (1998, p.18-27).

Glass-Coffin notes that Jorclemon and Sharon’s viewed women taking on the role as curanderos was empowering. The women were able to criticise and lay blame for their problems on men within the family who control their lives. However some mesa rituals advise the woman to submit to God’s will, which is synonymous with living within socially defined behaviour. This way men and mother in laws had no reason to abuse their position of power (1998, p.182-184).

Class Coffin found a difference in genders by their approaches, goals and idea of how to heal a sick person. Class-Coffin stated the women curadneras of northern Peru emphasise the paradox of agency and submission (1998, p.185).They do not heal the patients alone, rather through the ritual they are able to give advice to the patient. This way the patient must participate in the healing. They emphasize agency as a way to curing the illnesses. There is no vanquishing of dano rather a change to accommodate to the social relations with males, mother in laws etc. This mode of thinking is emphasized by Class-Coffin personal experience with the shamans. Her failure to find the cause of her problems was because she had an outward look. The advice was to look inwards, the solution was to redefine herself (1998, p.186).

In Class-Coffins research, there is an obvious difference in shamanism by genders. The male shamans of northern Peru use mesa rituals and consume the San Pedro Cactus to look into the unseen world to heal. They look for the causes of the illness and try to vanquish them. They woman however facing a patriarchal system, which they accept, must heal by focusing on the power of agency. Agency being the only power they have. They use the ritual to travel to the unseen world. Though they do not vanquish, rather they give advice on how to change, which in return heals the woman, rather then defeating the sorcerer.

Shamanism is the ability to attain knowledge from the unseen world. This essay highlights briefly some rituals and custom involved in Shamanism and the consuming of hallucinogenic drugs. By looking at a ritual involving many people in the Desana we see relationships and hierocracy. We also an active participation in religion, which in turn helps reaffirm religious conviction. Comparing visions and analysing the two shows the complexity of visions. It also highlights conflicts between two different groups of colonialism. Though while all shamans heal, we see in the case of north Peru where there are woman shamans, gender conditions the use of shamanism. Shamanism is a complex thing conditioned by the people who use it, but ultimately it is the journey into the unseen world to reveal hidden truths and cures.

Bibliography:


Glass-Coffin, B. ‘The Gift of Life, Female Spirituality and Healing in Northern Peru’ Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1998.

Reichel-Dolmatoff, G. “Amazonian Cosmos, The Sexual and Religious Symbolism of the Tukano Indians” Chicago: The University of Chicago, 1971.

Taussig, M. “Shamanism, Colonialism, and the Wild Man” Chicago: The University of Chicago, 1986.

jaycee
5th November 2006, 13:38
if you are interested, my brother has made a dvd called journey, which is about shamanism in modern day britain and my dad has a text called 'decedance of the shamans: or shamanism as the key to the secrets of communism' which i think you can buy on amazon.

one criticism i would make of this article is that it is a bit unclear, especially when you say that shamanism reveals hierachies. What do you mean by that. The point about shamanism is that it is non hierachical, anyone can attain direct experience of other realms.
Also shamans relate mostly to primitive communist societies, therefore hierachy is generally not very strong.

Hiero
5th November 2006, 16:00
I have used the word hierocracy. I don't know why, that term means rule by a clergy. Which is kind of suitable, but I don't remmeber using that word. Most likely my grammar correction add-on changed it, which can get annoying. Though you could use the term hierocracy to describe these societies.

Anyway starters these people, the Peruvian and Colombian indigenous live under colonialism.That was the point of using Taussig's aritcle. Before colonialism these societies have been incorporated into feudal and slave empires.

Anyway, shamanism shows hierachy in these cultures. Shamans are similar to other religious figures. They are there to guide people and control information. I don't know where you got the idea that anyone can attain direct connection to other realms. In shamanist societies only a trained individual (a shaman) has the power to do so. However some untrained people do, though always under the guidance a shaman. It is only the shaman who can understand visions.

I wouldn't mind checking out the DVD, the book however is out of stock. I am actually playing on reading Taussig's book from cover to back. I only read what was necessary.

chebol
6th November 2006, 02:52
Shamanism is the connection between the physical world and the unseen world. Shamans are people who are able to make this transcendence. They often use a hallucinogenic drug to have visions, which they can interrupt. Shamans transcend into a higher plane to gain information, this can be used for healing or attacking potential enemies

First problem - largely stylistic I hope - is that this appears to assume the fact that the spiritual arguments underpinning shamanism are, in fact, real.


Shamans are from South America, in such places as Western Amazon and North Peru.

I assume you mean "all shamans refered to in this essay" - as they exist all over the world.


Shamanism often involves rituals with a group of people. During the ritual the Shamans or people under guidance of the Shaman consume a drug to induce a hallucinogenic trance. Gerardo Reichel-Dolmatoff (1971) recorded one such ritual of the Desana people in the Northwest Amazon

Those that consume such substances do so most of the time - but not necessarily every time. If it is every time in this case, that should be specified - otherwise it's incorrect.


Smoking tobacco is necessary to produce the desired hallucinations (1971, p.172).

It's not, despite what Reichel-Dolmatoff may claim. However, it's rare for the drink to be prepared only from caapi (yage, yaje, pike, etc), without other plants (which contain various psychotropes) to be introduced. This may be the function of tobacco in this case - but it is far too unclear.

The motifs in the stories are the usual ones in religious ecstatic experiences, a point probably worth making. Otherwise, this next section is also a bit unwieldy, a fact not helped by the grammar and spelling.


There are two types of shamans in this society, those that heal (curanderos) and those who inflict harm.

Commonly, but not always, called "brujeros".


Shamanism is the ability to attain knowledge from the unseen world.

Once again, assuming such a place exists. Alternatively, as you seem to be hinting at throughout the essay, the function of shamanic practice is to alleviate psychological distress and harm, or to find cures to physical illness through psychological well-being.

It's a pity, because you have the germ of an interesting essay there, but it is too grab-bag and shambolic to really say much (were you constrained by a word limit?). In doing so, you gloss over every point you try to make, instead of making any of them well. It would perhaps have been better to focus on one or another part of the the analysis (gender, class, colonialisation, etc)

What do you study, btw?

chebol
6th November 2006, 02:56
jaycee wrote:


one criticism i would make of this article is that it is a bit unclear, especially when you say that shamanism reveals hierachies. What do you mean by that. The point about shamanism is that it is non hierachical, anyone can attain direct experience of other realms.
Also shamans relate mostly to primitive communist societies, therefore hierachy is generally not very strong.


On the contrary, all evidence from shamanic societies shows a degree of hierarchical differentiation - not least around the ability to 'understand' the experience of the shamanic journey and ritual. The use of hallucinogenic plants reinforces that hierarchy by generalising what would otherwise be one individual's disorienting experience into one in which everyone is bewildered, and only the shaman can restore order.

jaycee
6th November 2006, 09:40
shamans were not comparable to clergy, this is because they were not part of a religion. I don't know about the shamans hiero is talking about but shamanism as a idea, was related to and derived from all primitive communist societies.

Shamans can help people understand their visions but all members of the society take part in 'ecstatic' experinces which induce trances. These trances can allow people to open the door ways into their unconcsious and therefore unalienated or repressed states of concsiousnes. It cannot be doubted that the widespread nature of these ideas and the amount of similarity in the myths around these ideas shows that there was some fundamental truth in them, even if it was understood in an idealist way.

Shamans understood a lot about what plants were medicinal, hallucinogenic etc. Saying that they ruled over society is complete rubbish unless you believe doctors rule over society now. :unsure:


your view of trance like states speaks for itself. It shows a bourgeois rationalist view that can only explain such things as peole becoming 'mad'. THe idea that such trances can tap into hidden wisdom and can bring people closer to the 'true
human' which Marx argued would emerge in a communist society, i.e one which is not alienated from nature, each other or themselves does not even enter your mind.

chebol
6th November 2006, 09:58
Take a deep breath and calm down. If your current god can handle being criticised, I'm sure you can.

Where did I use the word "mad"? I was talking about psychological states. I was not casting judgment or particularly analysing any of them, merely the phenomenon. If there is any madness in this discussion, you brought it yourself.


I don't know about the shamans hiero is talking about but shamanism as a idea, was related to and derived from all primitive communist societies.

Nice idea you have there. Very quaint. However, the shamans that Hiero is talking about, and the ones that myself and some of my friends have had extensive experience in studying are very real, and they inhabit a place in the hierarchy of society. True, it is often a very volatile place - where we have seen one hacked to pieces by his neighbours under accusations of "sorcery" because he couldn't cure a child of pneumonia. But it is a hierarchy nonetheless.

Sure, it's not a class society as we know it in the technologically advanced countries. But then there are the frequent 'sun-kings' and the like - many of whom still rule particular tribes.

And outside of you irrational and quite childish attack I can only say that you exhibit a somewhat naiive understanding of society, politics, shamanism and, dare I say it, reality. Most of which I assume come form a lack of experience of all four, or at least a majority of them.

Like I said. Take a deep breath; and try again.

jaycee
6th November 2006, 10:02
what i meant was that shamans derived from primitive communist societies. Obviously they continued to exist in class society as well, but only then can they be said to perform a ruling position in society. Only then can they in any way be compared to a clergy.

Well your idea of a 'disorientated' experinces where everyone is bewildered seems to suggest if not maddness then at least a high level of irrationalitty.

i wasn't attacking anyone either i was criticising the feeling i get from too many people here which i would say is bourgoies rationalist.

chebol
6th November 2006, 10:20
Evertaken part in any of these rituals mate? Or witnessed them take place? Then you'd understand what I mean.

Furthermore, the disorientation - which is a central feature of this type of ritual experience - serves a central purpose; the "unmaking" of a person's world view followed by their "remaking". This is a central part of the healing and 'spiritual' process that participants go throug, especially on their first few turns. Having a mature, experienced individual there, 'directing' the proceedings, gives structure to it, enabling the 'message' to be conveyed and the harm undone in the process of overcoming the chaos that exists outside of the social group.

It is generally viewed as a reaffirming process, and consequently, reaffirms the authority of the shaman even more in relation to everyone else.

Anyway, I haven't time for this. You got one of those "once-upon-a-timey" shamans to show me, or can you admit that shamans, as far as any and all evidence indicates, exist only in hierarchical societies (note I didn't say 'class')? When did those shamans originate? What purpose did they serve? What was their role in the creation of class society?

On the issue of bourgeois rationalism, I must disagree. Your responses have shown more bourgeois idealistic primitivism than anything else, and to be called a "bourgeois rationalist" in that context is just plain funny. Mate, you need to learn to apply class analysis and historical materialism to this stuff, not fluffy mysticism.

Lenin once referred to "medieval mildew", but here I think we have to go back a little further n the evolution of fungi - how about primitivist protista?

Don't get me wrong here - I admire your ideals. But that's pretty much all they are.

jaycee
6th November 2006, 10:51
well in the DVD my brother made he was put into a trance like state by a Peruvian Shaman (THe Shaman seemed to be able to give him advice on his relationship without knowing anything about it beforehand)

Well, do you accept that non hierachical, classless societies have existed in the past. If so then the shamans which have existed in all primitive societies would do.

The most communistic of which (which has been viewed) were the Aborigines which did indeed have shamans.

The purpose of Shamans ,as has been said was of healing people, giving advice in life decisions and helping people take part in ecstatic experinces. THis is not an oppressive role.

i would also just like to say that your idea that i don't know what i'm talking about is completely wrong. As i have shown both my brother and father have extensive knowledge in this feild. I have discussed these issues alot, i have read a bit about it too so don't just assume i'm some dumb naive kid.

I have been a bit unclear in some posts hear but that is more out of rushing it as i am suppossed to be doing uni work at the same time.

Hiero
12th November 2006, 11:27
Once again, assuming such a place exists. Alternatively, as you seem to be hinting at throughout the essay, the function of shamanic practice is to alleviate psychological distress and harm, or to find cures to physical illness through psychological well-being.

It's a pity, because you have the germ of an interesting essay there, but it is too grab-bag and shambolic to really say much (were you constrained by a word limit?). In doing so, you gloss over every point you try to make, instead of making any of them well. It would perhaps have been better to focus on one or another part of the the analysis (gender, class, colonialisation, etc)

What do you study, btw?

I study anthropology, so that is why it seems like I believe that Shamans actually have outer body experinces. In cultural anthropology you are meant to use their terms and look at things in their ideas, rather then the more sceintific approach of what is going on.

I was constrained by word limit, 1500 words. What happen was I left it to late, and started to broad. Then at the end I thought excactly what you did, i should have focused more on either gender, class or colonialisation. But with time runing out i finished it up and really didn't look over it.

Alf
14th November 2006, 00:39
The position of the shaman in pre-class societies has to be seen historically. In the view of the French anthropologist Alain Testart, primitive communism in the strictest sense is an attribute of the oldest human societies - the paleolithic hunters. He considered that the Australian aborigines were the only surviving example of this form of society. Be that as it may, the futher back in human history you go, the less private property in any form (even in the way the proceeds of the hunt were distributed) seems to have evolved, and consequently the less hierarchical societies seem to have been. Shamanism certainly existed among the Australian aborigines, and there is evidence from the rock art of paleolithic times that it was very important in these societies as well. So jaycee is right to argue that shamanism pre-exists later social inequalities. It is true that among the aborigines shamans could be referred to as 'men of high degree' (the title of a book on aborigine shamanism by the great Australian anthropologist Elkin) but what is striking about aborigine society is the extent to which the shaman's particular sphere of knowledge - the 'dream time' - was made available to all adults in their initiation rituals.

At the same time, I don't think chebol and hiero are wrong to point out that shamanism could also become part of a process of specialisation in which we see the appearance of increasingly hierarchical relationships. In the area of classical shamanism, Siberia, where private wealth had already begun to emerge in the form of reindeer herds, the shaman was already becoming a 'professional' whose services had to be paid for.

With the transition from shaman to priest, however, I think a qualitative change takes place, corresponding to the transition to class society. It is surely significant that the priest is essentially the guardian of a ritual in which which the masses can only participate as spectators. The collective search for ecstatic experience (however one interprets the reality of such experiences) has been replaced by the religious rite properly speaking.

Dr. Rosenpenis
15th November 2006, 06:02
You don't have to go to the Western Amazon to see shamans in Brazil. There are blokes who do that shit with booze in their backyards right here in the city. No joke.
There are "serious" shamans here too, though.

bezdomni
15th November 2006, 06:05
There is a kid in my sociology class who claims to be a shaman.