Jean Paul Marat

[R_P_A_S]

After his death during the French Revolution do any of you see any wrong on how the parisians revolutionaries made this man into god-like status? And other thing.. Do you think in every revolution we always going to have a Marat? like for example in some cases the way Mao has been made into a "god like" figuere?

Is it good for a revolution and the people to hold someone so high above them? I mean pictures of Jesus or any saints were replaced with pictures of Marat after his death.

I believe actions such as this hurt the movement and gives others reasons to criticize the revolution. specially if you are some bible pumper.. hmm I don't know.

[chimx]

i think marat is a special case. the jacobin attempt to replace religion with that of the cult of the supreme being isn't exactly paralleled in other episodes in history.

if we are simply talking about holding the death of a martyr up and allowing the injustice of death to stir revolutionary sentiment, then i don't see what the problem is.

http://faculty.evansville.edu/rl29/art105/img/david_marat.jpg

[Vargha Poralli]

chimx
the jacobin attempt to replace religion with that of the cult of the supreme being isn't exactly paralleled in other episodes in history


cult of supreme being ? :unsure: but i read that they tried to replace christianity with reason !!! correct me if i am wrong ? :unsure:



R_P_A_S
After his death during the French Revolution do any of you see any wrong on how the parisians revolutionaries made this man into god-like status

if they had not done that the revolutionary spirit of the parisians will have been compromised tooo quickly. the action defended the republic both from internal fights and foreign invasions a little longer.


R_P_A_S
ike for example in some cases the way Mao has been made into a "god like" figuere?

Mao's case is somewhat different. he was greatly influenced by Stalin and the cult around him. so once he captured the power he very consciously built the cult around him that is the reason behind the failure of great leap forward . he had to go in to exile because of that .after some years he himself relaunched the cult by cultural revolution !! in Marat's case only after his death and because of the fear of more royalists backlash did the Parisians launch his cult.


R_P_A_SIs it good for a revolution and the people to hold someone so high above them? I mean pictures of Jesus or any saints were replaced with pictures of Marat after his death.

I believe actions such as this hurt the movement and gives others reasons to criticize the revolution. specially if you are some bible pumper.. hmm I don't know.

Like it or not a change from the status quo will give rise to fear uncertainty and doubt to each and every one . so some measures must be taken to protect the revolution and to threaten the reactionaries.

a bible or quaran pumper will never take part in any revolution that brings unless it is led by a bishop or a mulla !!!

[chimx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 06:43 am

chimx
the jacobin attempt to replace religion with that of the cult of the supreme being isn't exactly paralleled in other episodes in history


cult of supreme being ? :unsure: but i read that they tried to replace christianity with reason !!! correct me if i am wrong ? :unsure:
there was a cult of the supreme being, and there was a cult of reason in reaction to it. the first was started by robespierre and was a deistic religion with a god that guided actions. i forget who started the cult of reason, but it was more atheistic, but probably even more unpopular than the cult of the supreme being

both however, ignored the culture that religion played in the lives of every day people. the attempt to squash regular theistic institutions and have them replaced by these farcical ones were one major cause of the thermidorian reaction.

its too bad all these hardcore atheists can't learn their lesson from the jacobin experience.

[bcbm]

Ah Marat, the inspiration for my user title. I think anyone who exclaims "Liberty must be achieved through violence," is on the right track. I don't see a problem with those who live revering those who have died, especially the extremely influential, though actual worship or political ideologies being dedicated to corpses is suspect.