Marxist-Leninism

[Module]

What is it really?
I&#39;ve seen many a person call themselves "Marxist-Leninist" and today my sister was encountered by a "Marxist-Leninist" group that asked her to join.. without explaining what Marxism even was... <_<
But. yes...
Isn&#39;t Leninism Marxist enough for Leninists not to need the word &#39;Marxist&#39; before the... name of their... political... label?
=o

[Rollo]

Leninists such as myself believe that the proleteriat can only achieve successful revolutionary consciouscness through a communist party of full time revolutionaries. So it is different from mainstream marxism.

EDIT:

Marxism Leninism is so named because Leninism is based upon Marxism ( communism ) so it uses marxism as a sort of building block.

[Module]

So... what are the differences between leninism and marxist-leninism? Any?

[Rollo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 03:53 pm
So... what are the differences between leninism and marxist-leninism? Any?
Nothing. It&#39;s just a shorter way to say marxist leninist.

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 05:53 am
So... what are the differences between leninism and marxist-leninism? Any?
Rollo is right. Although I will point out one difference: Trotskyists consider themselves Leninists too but do not use the M-L label. Usually when a group uses the M-L label on their name it means they reject both Trotskyism and "revisionism" (post-Stalin USSR policies) and are more orthodox in their adherence to Lenin, Stalin and the Bolsheviks. Likewise if you see a group with the label M-L-M or MLM it means Marxist-Leninist-Maoist meaning they adhere to the same principles as M-L but consider Mao Zedong to be a continuation of those theories. Trotskyists often refer to M-Lists as Stalinists, because they reject Stalin and what they consider to be his beauracratic "deformations" of the CCCP while the M-Lists see him in a more positive light. Of course, Stalinist is also a pejorative term on the left nowadays, so that may not be a fair label. Up to you to decide for yourself.

[AlwaysAnarchy]

I Have a very negative opinoin and experience with Marxists Leninists, Stalinists and their cultish "Great Leader" fetishes.....

[Comrade Kurtz]

They&#39;re Stalinists. Nuff said.

[Aurora]

You have pro-stalin "m-l&#39;s" and anti-stalin m-l&#39;s.

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 12:54 am
You have pro-stalin "m-l&#39;s" and anti-stalin m-l&#39;s.
Anti-Stalin M-L&#39;s? Care to give an example? Usually those people are referred to as Trotskyists and they don&#39;t use the title "Marxist-Leninist" in their group names.

[Aurora]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 01:26 am
Anti-Stalin M-L&#39;s? Care to give an example? Usually those people are referred to as Trotskyists and they don&#39;t use the title "Marxist-Leninist" in their group names.
Ya,usualy but i have met some people that called themselves m-l but didnt support stalin in the least.You&#39;d think they would call themselves trots but.... :rolleyes:

But ya your right,ive never seen a group like that

[chebol]

The DSP (http://www.dsp.org.au/site/?q=node/29) in Australia is both marxist, and leninist, not stalinist yet not trotskyist (we used to be, about 20 years ago, but broke with a number of key points of orthodox trotskyism, including the Permanent Revolution (http://www.dsp.org.au/site/?q=node/11) theory, as well as issues over our support for Cuba and Nicaragua). We do, however, agree with Trotsky&#39;s analysis of the bureaucratic degeneration of the USSR (http://www.dsp.org.au/site/?q=node/123).

So, we are "trots" (http://www.dsp.org.au/site/?q=node/114) to stalinists; "stalinists" to the trotskyists (and to the cliffites, who I wouldn&#39;t do lev the dishonour of including in his brood); "castroists" (http://www.dsp.org.au/site/?q=node/110) to the anti-cubanists; third-worldists to the first-world chauvinists, "national chauvinists" because we are internationalist but not in an international (http://www.dsp.org.au/site/?q=node/115); "red fascists" to the sectarian anarchists; etc (http://www.dsp.org.au/site/?q=documents_debates).

At least noone calls us maoists (http://www.dsp.org.au/site/?q=node/119). :P (That I know of ...)

We just stick with the term "leninist", although if pressed it ought to be explained as "marxist-leninist". We don&#39;t often use that term because of the connotations with stalinism, just as we don&#39;tuse the term "trotskyist" because of much of the baggage that carries - and it&#39;s not really correct.

We don&#39;t claim to be perfect - but we try.

[Rollo]

Originally posted by BreadBros+November 05, 2006 11:26 am--> (BreadBros @ November 05, 2006 11:26 am)
[email protected] 05, 2006 12:54 am
You have pro-stalin "m-l&#39;s" and anti-stalin m-l&#39;s.
Anti-Stalin M-L&#39;s? Care to give an example? Usually those people are referred to as Trotskyists and they don&#39;t use the title "Marxist-Leninist" in their group names. [/b]
Me. If you look at Lenin&#39;s works you will see they differ from the USSR.

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by Rollo+November 05, 2006 05:28 am--> (Rollo @ November 05, 2006 05:28 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 11:26 am

[email protected] 05, 2006 12:54 am
You have pro-stalin "m-l&#39;s" and anti-stalin m-l&#39;s.
Anti-Stalin M-L&#39;s? Care to give an example? Usually those people are referred to as Trotskyists and they don&#39;t use the title "Marxist-Leninist" in their group names.
Me. If you look at Lenin&#39;s works you will see they differ from the USSR. [/b]
I&#39;m not saying their arent Leninists who are anti-USSR or anti-Stalin, what I was saying is that if a group includes the label "Marxist-Leninist" in their name in that hyphenated form it is usually used as a codeword for accepting Stalin&#39;s contributions to the USSR. Example: Communist Party of Canda (Marxist-Leninist).

[Rollo]

Originally posted by BreadBros+November 05, 2006 05:42 pm--> (BreadBros @ November 05, 2006 05:42 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 05:28 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 11:26 am

[email protected] 05, 2006 12:54 am
You have pro-stalin "m-l&#39;s" and anti-stalin m-l&#39;s.
Anti-Stalin M-L&#39;s? Care to give an example? Usually those people are referred to as Trotskyists and they don&#39;t use the title "Marxist-Leninist" in their group names.
Me. If you look at Lenin&#39;s works you will see they differ from the USSR.
I&#39;m not saying their arent Leninists who are anti-USSR or anti-Stalin, what I was saying is that if a group includes the label "Marxist-Leninist" in their name in that hyphenated form it is usually used as a codeword for accepting Stalin&#39;s contributions to the USSR. Example: Communist Party of Canda (Marxist-Leninist). [/b]
The CPA ( Marxist - Leninist ) Are actually stalinist and maoist. So I get what you mean.

[Rodack]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 04, 2006 10:37 pm
They&#39;re Stalinists. Nuff said.
Hillary Clinton calls herself a devout Stalinist

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by Rodack+November 05, 2006 05:40 pm--> (Rodack @ November 05, 2006 05:40 pm)
Comrade [email protected] 04, 2006 10:37 pm
They&#39;re Stalinists. Nuff said.
Hillary Clinton calls herself a devout Stalinist [/b]
Source?

People can call themselves whatever random shit they want, its really actions that determine what you are. So far Hillary Clinton has shown that she is nothing more than a liberal.

[Severian]

"Marxist-Leninist" is a term coined to describe the official ideology of the USSR after Lenin&#39;s death.....

It&#39;s used today by various groups which used to look to the Kremlin, or the Chinese regime, or some other apparatchik regime, for guidance.

They call themselves "Marxist-Leninist" - some other people would call them Stalinist (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=41124)

[Janus]

Please use the search function in the future.

Previous threads:
Leninism (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=65556&hl=Leninism)
Marxism and Leninism (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=62034&hl=Leninism)
Leninism (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=60831&hl=Leninism)
Marxism, Leninism (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=56406&hl=Leninism)
Marxism, Leninism, etc. (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=49775&hl=Leninism)
Marxism vs. Leninism (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=47662&hl=Leninism)

[Die Neue Zeit]

Here&#39;s to a resident "Leninist" Marxist who does NOT like to use the awkward term combination known as "Marxism-Leninism" or "Bolshevism-Leninism." :)

Simply put there are few REAL "Leninists" out there, and those REAL "Leninists" prefer the term "revolutionary Marxism." :)