Qubec and the Nazis

[Forward Union]

CyM has been somewhat irrational in his responces to my highlighting of the fact that the nationalist struggle he engages in, is supported by the nazis, which I think is a point worth discussing, but he prefers to kick me from the discussion for simply mentioning it.

[CCCPneubauten]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 01, 2006 09:49 pm
is supported by the nazis, which I think is a point worth discussing
Please do, I must have missed this little tussle.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 01, 2006 05:49 pm
CyM has been somewhat irrational in his responces to my highlighting of the fact that the nationalist struggle he engages in, is supported by the nazis, which I think is a point worth discussing, but he prefers to kick me from the discussion for simply mentioning it. Sorry, he dosnt get my vote to stay this time.
Excuse me?

Are you referring to the time I kicked you from live chat for claiming all quebecers are Nazis?

[Felicia]

yes


quebecers aren't nazi's, but maybe there's a reason why the anglo country folk believe the francophones want to stick them in concentration camps if quebec gains independence ;)


that's a joke :blush:

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 02, 2006 02:51 am
Are you referring to the time I kicked you from live chat for claiming all quebecers are Nazis?

If it was that much of a misunderstanding then I really would advise you to pay a little more attention to my arguments. Of course not all Quebecans are Nazis, but the fact that the Quebecan nationalist movement is supported by the nazis, leads one to question the nature of that movement and the quality of the individuals involved. Rather than even consider such criticism, you retracted into your shell, and acted rather irrationally. I don't make any claims beyond that

[BuyOurEverything]

ut the fact that the Quebecan nationalist movement is supported by the nazis, leads one to question the nature of that movement and the quality of the individuals involved.

That is competely absurd. Charactarizing an entire movement based on the support of a few marginalized nutjobs who's views are counter to the overwhelming character of the movement is ridiculous. Nazis also support campaigns to end Israeli imperialism, among other things.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Yeah, they're also against the war in Iraq... I guess we should reverse our positions on that, huh?

Your politics are absolute shit LU.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2006 07:56 pm
That is competely absurd. Charactarizing an entire movement based on the support of a few marginalized nutjobs who's views are counter to the overwhelming character of the movement is ridiculous.
Which isn't what I concluded atall, I said it's worth discussion.


Yeah, they're also against the war in Iraq... I guess we should reverse our positions on that, huh?

Of course not, I don't know how you got that logic from my previous posts, but you have misunderstood them in some way.

[Cheung Mo]

The nationalists who ruled Quebec under during the 1930s - 1950s were far-right authoritarian Catholics known for committing acts of vote fraud, for using violence and intimidation against strikes, organised labour, and leftist political parties, and for discriminating against non-Catholics in all facets of Quebecois life.

Premier Maurice Duplessis and his National Union did -- like most Catholic and falangist parties at the time -- have ties to Hitler's Nazis and Mussolini's fascists, they were incredibly corrupt, and they ran on a platform of anti-English nationalism while selling Quebec's resources to Anglophone and American interests at firesale prices. Both the Church and the Quebecois government committed horrid atrocities throughout the Duplessis years that are still occasionally being uncovered.

While there are some strands of racism in today's Quebec nationalist movement, it is primarily a coalition of social democratic, liberal, and neo-lib civic nationalists that originate within the leftist and nationalist faction of the Quebec Liberal Party (led by former Premier Rene Levesque, a social democrat who would go on to found and lead the Parti Quebecois after Jean Lesage's Liberals refused to hold a policy debate on Quebec's place within the Canadian confederation) that was dedicated to secularising Quebec, protecting the French language, nationalising Quebec's natural resources, building the welfare state, and redefining Quebec's place within confederation.

Levesque and his allies were not on good terms with the National Union, and throughout the 1960s, National Union leader Daniel Johnsor Sr. (whose sons Pierre-Marc and Daniel would go on to lead the Parti Quebecois and the Quebec Liberal Party respectively...lol) compared Levesque to Castro and suggested that Levesque and his allies were the real power behind Premier Jean LEsage's throne and turning the Liberals into the Quebec wing of the CCF/NDP.