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AlwaysAnarchy
3rd November 2006, 15:40
Sadly, it has come to my attention that many people on this site, including revolutionaries, have embraced and endorsed the Castro regime in the belief that it represents workers or is "the best possible thing" for the Cuban people at this point and time. I thought that Castro and his type of dictatorship was already throughly discredited by now but I guess I was wrong. I am enclosing some exerpts of a book written by Cuban anarchist Frank Fernandez entitled "Cuban Anarchism a History of a Movement" and also a general anarchist critique of Cuba and its M-L government.

We must never forget that Castro's Cuba, similar to Lenin's and Stalin's Russia repressed leftists and revolutionaries who disagree with Castro. They were jailed and beaten and sometimes killed. This includes many Cuban anarchists. I think that especially the anti-authoritarian left and the anarchists here must really make a strong statement against the kind of authoritarian-bureacratic government that Castro's Cuba is.


Cuban Anarchism: The History of a Movement
by Frank Fernández



Excerpt — Introduction
by Chaz Bufe
This is not a conventional history. Rather, it’s a tribute, an homage to the thousands of Cuban anarchists who worked over the course of more than a century to build a freer, juster world, and who, but for this book, would remain almost entirely forgotten. That would be a tragedy, as virtually all of them were idealistic, admirable human beings, and many were truly heroic. All are more deserving of historical remembrance than such power-hungry dictators as Gerardo Machado, Fulgencio Batista, and Fidel Castro.
The author of this work, Frank Fernández, has been a member of the Movimiento Libertario Cubano en Exilio (MLCE) for decades, and was the editor of its long-running periodical, Guángara Libertaria, for which he wrote easily half a million, and perhaps a million, words on Cuban history and politics. He is also the author of the book, La sangre de Santa Águeda, which deals with a pivotal event in Spanish and Cuban history, the assassination of the Spanish premier Cánovas del Castillo in 1897.

Like the other members of the MLCE and their predecessors in Cuba, Frank has done his political work in his “spare” time—after his day job as a mechanical engineer—and has never received a dime for his countless hours of work on behalf of Cuban freedom. He writes here from deep conviction and also from a deep knowledge of the history of Cuba and its anarchist movement. That knowledge includes personal acquaintance with most of the Cuban anarchists mentioned in chapters 4 and 5, whose testimony and remembrances form the backbone of those chapters.

In reading this history of Cuban anarchism, one is struck both by the immense courage and dedication of the Cuban anarchists, and by the lessons to be learned from their struggles. A particularly poignant lesson is that concerning so-called wars of national liberation. In the 1890s, Cuba’s large and powerful anarchist movement split over the question of whether or not to participate in the national independence struggle. A great many anarchists defected to the independence movement, but that movement proved to be a disaster both for the anarchists, who were seriously weakened, and for Cuba’s people as a whole, hundreds of thousands of whom died in the conflict. In the end, nothing worthwhile was achieved—Spanish colonialism was replaced, but by a republic in the hands of the sugar barons and beholden to foreign financial interests. At least some Cuban anarchists evidently learned from this fiasco—that it’s always a mistake for anarchists to put aside their principles and support would-be governors, no matter how “nationalist” or “progressive”—but a great many other anarchists evidently didn’t.

Twenty years after this Cuban disaster, large numbers of the world’s anarchists (including many Cubans) threw their support to the Bolshevik government after the 1917 Russian revolution. Despite growing evidence of the brutal, totalitarian nature of the Communist regime, many anarchists continued to support it until well into the 1920s, when two well known and respected anarchists, Alexander Berkman (in The Russian Tragedy and The Bolshevik Myth) and Emma Goldman (in My Disillusionment in Russia and My Further Disillusionment in Russia) revealed the truth. Even then, some anarchists refused to surrender their illusions about the nature of the “workers’ state.”

This situation repeated itself with Castro’s rise to power in 1959. A great many anarchists, especially in Europe, were so desperate to see positive social change that they saw it where there was none—in Cuba, thanks in part to a skilled disinformation campaign by Castro’s propaganda apparatus. Despite suppression of civil liberties, the prohibition of independent political activity, the government take-over of the unions, the militarization of the economy, the gradual impoverishment of the country (despite massive Soviet economic aid), the reemergence of a class system, the institution of a network of political spies in every neighborhood (the so-called Committees for the Defense of the Revolution), and the government-fostered personality cults which grew up around Fidel Castro and Ernesto (“Che”) Guevara, large and important sections of the world’s anarchist movement supported Castro until well into the 1970s.

That situation began to change in 1976 with publication of the respected American anarchist Sam Dolgoff’s The Cuban Revolution: A Critical Perspective. But even today some anarchists continue to be hoodwinked by the Castro regime’s “revolutionary” rhetoric and the veneer of social welfare measures with which it covers its ruthless determination to cling to power at any price.

The Cuban experience provides us with valuable lessons. Two of the most important are that anarchists should never support marxist regimes, and that they should be extremely wary about supporting, let alone participating in, so-called wars of national liberation. These are the negative lessons to be learned from the history of Cuba’s anarchists. The positive lesson is that it is possible to build a large, powerful revolutionary movement, despite lack of physical resources, through dedication and hard work.

In its narrowest sense, anarchism is simply the rejection of the state, the rejection of coercive government. Under this extremely narrow definition, even such apparent absurdities as “anarcho-capitalism” and religious anarchism are possible.

But most anarchists use the term “anarchism” in a much broader sense, defining it as the rejection of coercion and domination in all forms. So, most anarchists reject not only coercive government, but also religion and capitalism, which they see as other forms of the twin evils, domination and coercion. They reject religion because they see it as the ultimate form of domination, in which a supposedly all-powerful god hands down “thou shalts” and “thou shalt nots” to its “flock.” They likewise reject capitalism because it’s designed to produce rich and poor, because it inevitably produces a system of domination in which some give orders and others have little choice but to take them. For similar reasons, on a personal level almost all anarchists reject sexism, racism, and homophobia—all of which produce artificial inequality, and thus domination.

To put this another way, anarchists believe in freedom in both its negative and positive senses. In this country, freedom is routinely presented only in its negative sense, that of being free from restraint. Hence most people equate freedom only with such things as freedom of speech, freedom of association, and freedom of (or from) religion. But there’s also a positive aspect of freedom, an aspect which anarchists almost alone insist on.

That positive aspect is what Emma Goldman called the freedom to. And that freedom, the freedom of action, the freedom to enjoy or use, is highly dependent upon access to the world’s resources. Because of this the rich are, in a very real sense, free to a much greater degree than the rest of us. To cite an example in the area of free speech, Donald Trump could easily buy dozens of daily newspapers or television stations to propagate his views and influence public opinion. How many working people could do the same? How many working people could afford to buy a single daily newspaper or a single television station? The answer is obvious. Working people cannot do such things; instead, they’re reduced to producing ‘zines with a readership of a few hundred persons or putting up pages on the Internet in their relatively few hours of free time.

Examples of the greater freedom of the rich abound in daily life. To put this in general terms, because they do not have to work, the rich not only have far more money (that is, more access to resources) but also far more time to pursue their interests, pleasures, and desires than do the rest of us. To cite a concrete example, the rich are free to send their children to the best colleges employing the best instructors, while the rest of us, if we can afford college at all, make do with community and state colleges employing slave-labor “adjunct faculty” and overworked, underpaid graduate-student teaching assistants. Once in college, the children of the rich are entirely free to pursue their studies, while most other students must work at least part time to support themselves, which deprives them of many hours which could be devoted to study. If you think about it, you can easily find additional examples of the greater freedom of the rich in the areas of medical care, housing, nutrition, travel, etc., etc.—in fact, in virtually every area of life.

This greater freedom of action of the rich comes at the expense of everyone else, through the diminishment of everyone else’s freedom of action. There is no way around this, given that freedom of action is to a great extent determined by access to finite resources. Anatole France well illustrated the differences between the restrictions placed upon the rich and the poor when he wrote, “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.”

Because the primary goal of anarchism is the greatest possible amount of freedom for all, anarchists insist on equal freedom in both its negative and positive senses—that, in the negative sense, individuals be free to do whatever they wish as long as they do not harm or directly intrude on others; and, in the positive sense, that all individuals have equal freedom to act, that they have equal access to the world’s resources.

Anarchists recognize that absolute freedom is an impossibility. What they argue for is that everyone have equal freedom from restraint (limited only by respect for the rights of others) and that everyone have as nearly as possible equal access to resources, thus ensuring equal (or near-equal) freedom to act.

This is anarchism in its theoretical sense.

In Cuba, as in Spain and a few other countries, there have been serious attempts to make this theory reality through the movement known as anarcho-syndicalism. The primary purpose of anarcho-syndicalism is the replacement of coercive government by voluntary cooperation in the form of worker-controlled unions coordinating the entire economy. This would not only eliminate the main restraint on the negative freedoms (government), but would also be a huge step toward achieving positive freedom (the freedom to). The nearest this vision has ever come to fruition was in the Spanish Revolution, 1936–1939, when large areas of Spain, including its most heavily industrialized region, Catalonia, came under the control of the anarcho-syndicalist Confederación Nacional del Trabajo. George Orwell describes this achievement in Homage to Catalonia:

The Anarchists were still in virtual control of Catalonia and the revolution was in full swing. . . . the aspect of Barcelona was something startling and overwhelming. It was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle. Practically every building of any size had been seized by the workers and was draped with red flags or with the red and black flag of the anarchists; . . . Every shop and cafe had an inscription saying it had been collectivized; even the bootblacks had been collectivized and their boxes painted red and black. Waiters and shop-workers looked you in the face and treated you as an equal. Servile and even ceremonial forms of speech had temporarily disappeared. . . . The revolutionary posters were everywhere, flaming from the walls in clean reds and blues that made the few remaining advertisements look like daubs of mud. . . . All this was queer and moving. There was much in it that I did not understand, in some ways I did not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for.*


This is what the Cuban anarchists were fighting for. While they did not achieve what their Spanish comrades did, they built one of the largest anarcho-syndicalist movements the world has ever seen, which at its height in the 1920s included 80,000 to 100,000 workers in unions operated on anarchist principles.

This achievement did not come without cost: countless Cuban anarchists paid for it with their lives, imprisonment, or exile.

This is their story.

Rollo
3rd November 2006, 15:42
Originally posted by PeacefulAn[email protected] 04, 2006 01:40 am
Sadly, it has come to my attention that many people on this site, including revolutionaries, have embraced and endorsed the Castro regime in the belief that it represents workers or is "the best possible thing" for the Cuban people at this point and time. I thought that Castro and his type of dictatorship was already throughly discredited by now but I guess I was wrong. I am enclosing some exerpts of a book written by Cuban anarchist Frank Fernandez entitled "Cuban Anarchism a History of a Movement" and also a general anarchist critique of Cuba and its M-L government.

We must never forget that Castro's Cuba, similar to Lenin's and Stalin's Russia repressed leftists and revolutionaries who disagree with Castro. They were jailed and beaten and sometimes killed. This includes many Cuban anarchists. I think that especially the anti-authoritarian left and the anarchists here must really make a strong statement against the kind of authoritarian-bureacratic government that Castro's Cuba is.


Cuban Anarchism: The History of a Movement
by Frank Fernández



Excerpt — Introduction
by Chaz Bufe
This is not a conventional history. Rather, it’s a tribute, an homage to the thousands of Cuban anarchists who worked over the course of more than a century to build a freer, juster world, and who, but for this book, would remain almost entirely forgotten. That would be a tragedy, as virtually all of them were idealistic, admirable human beings, and many were truly heroic. All are more deserving of historical remembrance than such power-hungry dictators as Gerardo Machado, Fulgencio Batista, and Fidel Castro.
The author of this work, Frank Fernández, has been a member of the Movimiento Libertario Cubano en Exilio (MLCE) for decades, and was the editor of its long-running periodical, Guángara Libertaria, for which he wrote easily half a million, and perhaps a million, words on Cuban history and politics. He is also the author of the book, La sangre de Santa Águeda, which deals with a pivotal event in Spanish and Cuban history, the assassination of the Spanish premier Cánovas del Castillo in 1897.

Like the other members of the MLCE and their predecessors in Cuba, Frank has done his political work in his “spare” time—after his day job as a mechanical engineer—and has never received a dime for his countless hours of work on behalf of Cuban freedom. He writes here from deep conviction and also from a deep knowledge of the history of Cuba and its anarchist movement. That knowledge includes personal acquaintance with most of the Cuban anarchists mentioned in chapters 4 and 5, whose testimony and remembrances form the backbone of those chapters.

In reading this history of Cuban anarchism, one is struck both by the immense courage and dedication of the Cuban anarchists, and by the lessons to be learned from their struggles. A particularly poignant lesson is that concerning so-called wars of national liberation. In the 1890s, Cuba’s large and powerful anarchist movement split over the question of whether or not to participate in the national independence struggle. A great many anarchists defected to the independence movement, but that movement proved to be a disaster both for the anarchists, who were seriously weakened, and for Cuba’s people as a whole, hundreds of thousands of whom died in the conflict. In the end, nothing worthwhile was achieved—Spanish colonialism was replaced, but by a republic in the hands of the sugar barons and beholden to foreign financial interests. At least some Cuban anarchists evidently learned from this fiasco—that it’s always a mistake for anarchists to put aside their principles and support would-be governors, no matter how “nationalist” or “progressive”—but a great many other anarchists evidently didn’t.

Twenty years after this Cuban disaster, large numbers of the world’s anarchists (including many Cubans) threw their support to the Bolshevik government after the 1917 Russian revolution. Despite growing evidence of the brutal, totalitarian nature of the Communist regime, many anarchists continued to support it until well into the 1920s, when two well known and respected anarchists, Alexander Berkman (in The Russian Tragedy and The Bolshevik Myth) and Emma Goldman (in My Disillusionment in Russia and My Further Disillusionment in Russia) revealed the truth. Even then, some anarchists refused to surrender their illusions about the nature of the “workers’ state.”

This situation repeated itself with Castro’s rise to power in 1959. A great many anarchists, especially in Europe, were so desperate to see positive social change that they saw it where there was none—in Cuba, thanks in part to a skilled disinformation campaign by Castro’s propaganda apparatus. Despite suppression of civil liberties, the prohibition of independent political activity, the government take-over of the unions, the militarization of the economy, the gradual impoverishment of the country (despite massive Soviet economic aid), the reemergence of a class system, the institution of a network of political spies in every neighborhood (the so-called Committees for the Defense of the Revolution), and the government-fostered personality cults which grew up around Fidel Castro and Ernesto (“Che”) Guevara, large and important sections of the world’s anarchist movement supported Castro until well into the 1970s.

That situation began to change in 1976 with publication of the respected American anarchist Sam Dolgoff’s The Cuban Revolution: A Critical Perspective. But even today some anarchists continue to be hoodwinked by the Castro regime’s “revolutionary” rhetoric and the veneer of social welfare measures with which it covers its ruthless determination to cling to power at any price.

The Cuban experience provides us with valuable lessons. Two of the most important are that anarchists should never support marxist regimes, and that they should be extremely wary about supporting, let alone participating in, so-called wars of national liberation. These are the negative lessons to be learned from the history of Cuba’s anarchists. The positive lesson is that it is possible to build a large, powerful revolutionary movement, despite lack of physical resources, through dedication and hard work.

In its narrowest sense, anarchism is simply the rejection of the state, the rejection of coercive government. Under this extremely narrow definition, even such apparent absurdities as “anarcho-capitalism” and religious anarchism are possible.

But most anarchists use the term “anarchism” in a much broader sense, defining it as the rejection of coercion and domination in all forms. So, most anarchists reject not only coercive government, but also religion and capitalism, which they see as other forms of the twin evils, domination and coercion. They reject religion because they see it as the ultimate form of domination, in which a supposedly all-powerful god hands down “thou shalts” and “thou shalt nots” to its “flock.” They likewise reject capitalism because it’s designed to produce rich and poor, because it inevitably produces a system of domination in which some give orders and others have little choice but to take them. For similar reasons, on a personal level almost all anarchists reject sexism, racism, and homophobia—all of which produce artificial inequality, and thus domination.

To put this another way, anarchists believe in freedom in both its negative and positive senses. In this country, freedom is routinely presented only in its negative sense, that of being free from restraint. Hence most people equate freedom only with such things as freedom of speech, freedom of association, and freedom of (or from) religion. But there’s also a positive aspect of freedom, an aspect which anarchists almost alone insist on.

That positive aspect is what Emma Goldman called the freedom to. And that freedom, the freedom of action, the freedom to enjoy or use, is highly dependent upon access to the world’s resources. Because of this the rich are, in a very real sense, free to a much greater degree than the rest of us. To cite an example in the area of free speech, Donald Trump could easily buy dozens of daily newspapers or television stations to propagate his views and influence public opinion. How many working people could do the same? How many working people could afford to buy a single daily newspaper or a single television station? The answer is obvious. Working people cannot do such things; instead, they’re reduced to producing ‘zines with a readership of a few hundred persons or putting up pages on the Internet in their relatively few hours of free time.

Examples of the greater freedom of the rich abound in daily life. To put this in general terms, because they do not have to work, the rich not only have far more money (that is, more access to resources) but also far more time to pursue their interests, pleasures, and desires than do the rest of us. To cite a concrete example, the rich are free to send their children to the best colleges employing the best instructors, while the rest of us, if we can afford college at all, make do with community and state colleges employing slave-labor “adjunct faculty” and overworked, underpaid graduate-student teaching assistants. Once in college, the children of the rich are entirely free to pursue their studies, while most other students must work at least part time to support themselves, which deprives them of many hours which could be devoted to study. If you think about it, you can easily find additional examples of the greater freedom of the rich in the areas of medical care, housing, nutrition, travel, etc., etc.—in fact, in virtually every area of life.

This greater freedom of action of the rich comes at the expense of everyone else, through the diminishment of everyone else’s freedom of action. There is no way around this, given that freedom of action is to a great extent determined by access to finite resources. Anatole France well illustrated the differences between the restrictions placed upon the rich and the poor when he wrote, “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.”

Because the primary goal of anarchism is the greatest possible amount of freedom for all, anarchists insist on equal freedom in both its negative and positive senses—that, in the negative sense, individuals be free to do whatever they wish as long as they do not harm or directly intrude on others; and, in the positive sense, that all individuals have equal freedom to act, that they have equal access to the world’s resources.

Anarchists recognize that absolute freedom is an impossibility. What they argue for is that everyone have equal freedom from restraint (limited only by respect for the rights of others) and that everyone have as nearly as possible equal access to resources, thus ensuring equal (or near-equal) freedom to act.

This is anarchism in its theoretical sense.

In Cuba, as in Spain and a few other countries, there have been serious attempts to make this theory reality through the movement known as anarcho-syndicalism. The primary purpose of anarcho-syndicalism is the replacement of coercive government by voluntary cooperation in the form of worker-controlled unions coordinating the entire economy. This would not only eliminate the main restraint on the negative freedoms (government), but would also be a huge step toward achieving positive freedom (the freedom to). The nearest this vision has ever come to fruition was in the Spanish Revolution, 1936–1939, when large areas of Spain, including its most heavily industrialized region, Catalonia, came under the control of the anarcho-syndicalist Confederación Nacional del Trabajo. George Orwell describes this achievement in Homage to Catalonia:

The Anarchists were still in virtual control of Catalonia and the revolution was in full swing. . . . the aspect of Barcelona was something startling and overwhelming. It was the first time that I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle. Practically every building of any size had been seized by the workers and was draped with red flags or with the red and black flag of the anarchists; . . . Every shop and cafe had an inscription saying it had been collectivized; even the bootblacks had been collectivized and their boxes painted red and black. Waiters and shop-workers looked you in the face and treated you as an equal. Servile and even ceremonial forms of speech had temporarily disappeared. . . . The revolutionary posters were everywhere, flaming from the walls in clean reds and blues that made the few remaining advertisements look like daubs of mud. . . . All this was queer and moving. There was much in it that I did not understand, in some ways I did not even like it, but I recognized it immediately as a state of affairs worth fighting for.


This is what the Cuban anarchists were fighting for. While they did not achieve what their Spanish comrades did, they built one of the largest anarcho-syndicalist movements the world has ever seen, which at its height in the 1920s included 80,000 to 100,000 workers in unions operated on anarchist principles.

This achievement did not come without cost: countless Cuban anarchists paid for it with their lives, imprisonment, or exile.

This is their story.
What the hell is wrong with you?

AlwaysAnarchy
3rd November 2006, 15:43
4. Castroism and Exile
The anarchists participated in the struggle against Batista. Some in the guerrilla forces in Oriente province and in the Sierra del Escambray in Las Villas province, others in the urban struggle. Their objective, along with that of the rest of the Cuban people, was to liquidate the Batista dictatorship. However, they never fully trusted Castro. By 1956, they already saw in Castro a potential dictator, head of a top-down organization with totalitarian traits, whose image was closer to that of Hitler than of Durruti. Castro, according to the ill-conceived evaluation of the democratic opposition, was a temporary yet necessary evil; a product of the confusion, fragmentation and even cowardice that existed within the opposition to Batista. The anarchists perceived Castro and his revolution differently from the political elite of the time, who hoped to manipulate the victor. At the beginning of 1959, with the excuse of purging from the CTC union federation those elements that collaborated with Batista, the new "revolutionary" government arbitrarily removed from office anarcho-syndicalists and social democrats who were oriented toward the working class movement. Many of them, in fact had been previously persecuted and jailed by Batista.

The libertarians, even though dislodged from the CTC (now called "revolutionary"), maintained their prestige with the working class. In a congress organized by the government at the end of 1959 the union elements within the 26th of July Movement, through their Secretary General, David Salvador, and allied this time with the Communist Party and its members within the union central, delivered the organization once again to the government, this time represented by the "maximum leader of the revolution", Fidel Castro and all this according to the best "democratic tradition".

Castro, anxious to retain power at all costs, allied his regime with the Soviet Union, making Cuba one big sugar plantation for the profit of the Russians. The benefits, rights and demands that through more than a century of struggles, the Cuban workers had won at the price of their blood, ended as Marx once said, in "the rubbish heap of history". The omnipresent and despotic State became the only employer and social leader. In 1961, the old political, economic and social order collapsed completely and the island became a factory and a Leninist dominion.

Early in 1960, the anarchists rejected Castro, and adopted a combative attitude toward the government. Ultimately, their publications, El Libertario and Solidaridad Gastrdriomica, were suppressed. The only recourse was to go underground, and then into exile.

The underground resistance process had two stages. The first commenced with the clandestine publication of Nuestra Palabra Semanal (Our Weekly Message), organ of the Movement for Trade Union Action, (Movimiento de Accion Sindical. MAS), with the purpose of general information for the workers and the people. The struggle was tougher than it had been against Batista and the repression was much harsher. Unfortunately, the leadership of this new civil struggle was in the hands of the U.S. and the Cuban bourgeoisie, which had few things in common with libertarians. The U.S. was not genuinely interested in overthrowing the Castro regime and proved forever reluctant while the bourgeoisie lacked the preparation and vocation for a revolutionary enterprise of such a magnitude and caliber, but both groups were powerful and had plenty of resources. The Cuban people did not accept communism and a large number became involved in the struggle against the regime. The anarchists failed on all fronts despite their work among the proletarians and peasants, carried out with much personal sacrifice.

The second stage was that of exile, either through a sympathetic embassy or illegally. In 1961 the Cuban Libertarian Movement (Movimiento Libertario Cubano; MLC) was founded in the United States, where those shipwrecked by Castro's hurricane were regrouped, and mainted contact with the remains of the ALC in Cuba. They were few, but their labour was important for the cause of Cuban freedom. This was a period of intense work and sacrifice: propaganda, collection of money to rescue people from the island, and direct action against the Stalinist dictatorship. The 1960s were dedicated to the struggle, based entirely on personal efforts. El Gastronomico (The Food Worker) began publication in Miami and there was concerted effort made to convince the rest of the anarchist world that Castro was not really a revolutionary, as so many saw him, but a corrupt despot. The Cuban anarchists had to work hard and be patient. Manifestos, articles, essays, pamphlets, letters were necessary; they launched appeals to old friendships, to the fraternal comrades of the past, with whom difficult moments had been shared. They issued statements in Spain, France, Mexico, Argentina, Venezuela, Panama, Chile, England, the United States, in half the world, but all in vain, for those who answered and showed solidarity were few, some because of conviction, others because of ideological affinity. Anarchists around the world either did not understand the situation or did not want to understand it; the efforts of the Cuban anarchists became a dialogue with the deaf.

In the mid-1970's changes began to take place in the anarchist world, one began to ascertain changes in the world's anti-authoritarian millieu, less in favour of the Cuban libertarians but rather toward disenchantment with Castro's revolution. Suddenly Castro was seen as a Communist dictator who oppressed his people. But it was too little too late; much precious and important time had been lost. Many anarchists were exiled, valuable comrades had been sacrificed, some had become frustrated, others remained alone on the island, and still others rotted in jails. The lack of international solidarity with the Cuban anarchists was notorious as "anarchism's bad consicence", as was later said.

This phenomenon, comparable only with what happened to the Russian anarchists in relation to the Bolsheviks in 1917 and with East European comrades in post WWII Europe, was based on a neglect of these historical precedents, and did a lot of damage and cost dearly. Lack of solidarity and ideological understanding, however, did not stop the Cuban anarchists in their struggle for freedom. In its history of more than half a century of persecutions, assassinations, deportations and imprisonments, it had never suffered a defeat with the power and magnitude of that brought by Castro. Communism has apparently won; however, Cuban anarchists today do not accept it. In the past twenty-eight years we have kept our banner high and our ideals unchanged, without ever renouncing the desire to set our people free from the despot that oppresses them.

Cuba and the anarchists have a long history of the pursuit of freedom. The early labour struggles, the important contributions to Cuban independence from Spain, their protest against U.S. interventions, their critical attitudes toward social problems during the two republics, their spirit of combat and sacrifice against the dictatorships and disorders of Machado, Batista and Castro. Finally, the unbreakable faith that unites us in the present sinister moment of our destiny, serve as a powerful spur to continue the struggle until the end.


Sam Dolgoff,
Miami, February 1987.

First published in Spanish by Guangara Libertaria, Miami 1987
First English edition Monty Miller Press, Sydney 1987
This edition 1989 ASP, London

WE SHALL FIGHT TO THE END TO ESTABLISH THE THIRD REPUBLIC!

shadowed by the secret police
3rd November 2006, 18:23
We have to work with what we got. Anarchism would be better defended in a country like the United States than Third World Cuba, though anarchism as a system can work anywhere. It is defending it that poses the problem.

bcbm
4th November 2006, 07:10
The U.S. was not genuinely interested in overthrowing the Castro regime

Are you fucking serious?

I may not love the Cuban regime, but I support it in its struggle against imperialism and for destroying the Batista regime.

Phalanx
4th November 2006, 08:04
The U.S. was not genuinely interested in overthrowing the Castro regime

Let's see, there was the Bay of Pigs, more than 30 assassination attempts, the embargo, and military aid to nations aligned against Cuba. And somehow you think the US isn't trying to overthrow Castro?

VenceremosRed
4th November 2006, 16:20
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 03:40 pm
Sadly, it has come to my attention that many people on this site, including revolutionaries, have embraced and endorsed the Castro regime in the belief that it represents workers or is "the best possible thing" for the Cuban people at this point and time. I thought that Castro and his type of dictatorship was already throughly discredited by now but I guess I was wrong.
The only thing discredited is your idealist, off in la-la land arguments and your complete refusal to recognize facts, even the simplest ones. You make absurd statements, and back them up with one book, to assault a socialist state that has actively fought against imperialism and capitalism the world over.

Cuba is still the verbal whipping post for U.S. imperialism for its active struggles to help liberate Africa from colonialism/imperialism. Yet you ignore this.

Not very scientific, or revolutionary - actually pretty reactionary.

Rawthentic
4th November 2006, 16:50
No, I dont believe that it is reactionary. It is about time that someone stands up to Castro and "socialist" Cuba. I too respect Cuba in an anti-imperialist stance, but I do not ignore that it is authoritarian and bureaucratic, as well as the repression of anti-authoritarians and other government dissenters.

I also see that Cuba is better than anything capitalism has ever created, but I do not hold on to it desperately as the world's last choice.

R_P_A_S
4th November 2006, 17:13
I see both sides of the arguments comrades.

1. We can agree that Cuba is far better than anything capitalism has ever created and that we support their stand against Imperialism!

2. But! we dislike how It's very authoritarian, bureocratic and how other revolutionaries are treated if they don't agree with Castro's methods. right? OK

So I ask. What do some of you suggest? what will make Cuba a better Socialist country. who or what needs to haven? Castro passing away? an other Revolution? the fucking Gusanos taking over?
What's the key to a better Cuba then? :huh:

Rawthentic
4th November 2006, 17:15
I suppose if other socialist revolutions are victorious, I assume that Cuba would be way better off. But Castro wont give power to the people even if this does happen.

R_P_A_S
4th November 2006, 17:21
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 05:15 pm
I suppose if other socialist revolutions are victorious, I assume that Cuba would be way better off. But Castro wont give power to the people even if this does happen.
I guess my fear is that some "soft" leader emerges he will give in to U.S. Imperialism.

Boriznov
4th November 2006, 17:34
Castro is not doing a very good job of letting it be communist. It's not the people who run the country but Castro alone. Isn't communism about that there are no classes and everybody has the same norms and pay.

correct me if i am wrong please

VenceremosRed
4th November 2006, 18:25
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 04:50 pm
No, I dont believe that it is reactionary. It is about time that someone stands up to Castro and "socialist" Cuba. I too respect Cuba in an anti-imperialist stance, but I do not ignore that it is authoritarian and bureaucratic, as well as the repression of anti-authoritarians and other government dissenters.

I also see that Cuba is better than anything capitalism has ever created, but I do not hold on to it desperately as the world's last choice.
...and you support the FPM? :huh:

VenceremosRed
4th November 2006, 18:29
Does anyone have evidence of this bureaucracy supposedly in Cuba? Or is it all just based on reactionary assumptions?

Listening to the capitalist media about other countries analysis and taking that as the soul truth - is a bad method.

1) What facts (if any) can anyone provide to prove these arguments?
2) What sources are they coming from and for what purpose?
3) Is it possible that socialism can derverse forms, and that there is no one "true" socialist structure?

Wanted Man
4th November 2006, 18:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 05:34 pm
correct me if i am wrong please
Where to begin? You might want to take a seat.

VenceremosRed
4th November 2006, 20:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 05:13 pm
I see both sides of the arguments comrades.

1. We can agree that Cuba is far better than anything capitalism has ever created and that we support their stand against Imperialism!

2. But! we dislike how It's very authoritarian, bureocratic and how other revolutionaries are treated if they don't agree with Castro's methods. right? OK

So I ask. What do some of you suggest? what will make Cuba a better Socialist country. who or what needs to haven? Castro passing away? an other Revolution? the fucking Gusanos taking over?
What's the key to a better Cuba then? :huh:
R_P_A_S said:

1. We can agree that Cuba is far better than anything capitalism has ever created and that we support their stand against Imperialism!

Absolutely- but it also proundly more then this. Cuba is a living, breathing socialist society that has survived harsh economic conditions, blackade, invasion, assinations, and counterrevolution.

Cubans enjoy real and unparalleled democracy.

This is not really that much of astounding claim, there is literally miles of research backing this point up.

Why is Cuba democratic?

There are formalized elections for leaders, but these leaders are held accountable - leaders are subject to recall at any time, including Comrade Fidel himself.

Again, socialist democracy exceeds even this. It mobolizes people in their own interests instead of profit interests.

Take Hurricane Wilma. How many people died in that? Zero. Why?

More than 103,000 people were mobilized for Civil Defense measures; 1,325 shelters, 755 food preparation centers, and around 4,970 means of transportation were activated.

This is all possible because Cuba is a socialist nation, meaning, it is organized to meet human need, not to create profit.

Now, don't get me wrong. No one (Fidel included) is saying Cuba is the highest stage of socialism. It will develop, and advance as the communists in Cuba attack the social basis for capitalism further - and I would suspect as this happens democracy (for the masses - not for would-be exploiters!) will be expanded even further, and become more deep and meaningful.

"Socialism, as is known, means the abolition of the commodity economy."
(Lenin: The Agrarian Question (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/agrarian/index.htm), 1908)

Marx wrote in The Class Struggle in France (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1850/class-struggles-france/index.htm) (1848-50) that the dictatorship of the proletariat represents the "necessary transit to the abolition of all class distinctions", or class distinctions generally; which encompasses all the production relations on which these class distinctions rest; all the social relations that correspond to these production relations; and to the revolutionizing of all ideas that correspond to those social relations.

Freedom has an economic base. Only when we liberate mankind from classes can we liberate mankind from all exploitive relations. And Cuba is working towards this goal.

AlwaysAnarchy
4th November 2006, 22:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 04:50 pm
No, I dont believe that it is reactionary. It is about time that someone stands up to Castro and "socialist" Cuba. I too respect Cuba in an anti-imperialist stance, but I do not ignore that it is authoritarian and bureaucratic, as well as the repression of anti-authoritarians and other government dissenters.

I also see that Cuba is better than anything capitalism has ever created, but I do not hold on to it desperately as the world's last choice.
:wub: :wub:

AlwaysAnarchy
4th November 2006, 22:33
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 04:20 pm

The only thing discredited is your idealist, off in la-la land arguments and your complete refusal to recognize facts, even the simplest ones. You make absurd statements, and back them up with one book, to assault a socialist state that has actively fought against imperialism and capitalism the world over.

Venceremos Red - Will you respond to any of the statements made by this book? Like, how can you justify a government that is authoritarian and represses and jails people that disagree? How can you justify a government that calls itself socialist, yet the state shows no signs of "withering away" and the government, not the workers have the power? Castro lives much better than the average Cuban worker does, how does this fit in with Lenin's assertion about state workers making only as much as the average worker?

And anyone can be a fighter against imperialism - including reactionary and theocratic governments, that doesn't mean that revolutionaries should uphold them as socialist.

Wanted Man
4th November 2006, 22:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 10:33 pm
Will you respond to any of the statements made by this book?
Purchasing and reading a book just because of a forum discussion is not something that many people will do. The article that I posted here (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=58141&st=0&#entry1292201469), however, is more accessible. Will you read and respond to it?

AlwaysAnarchy
4th November 2006, 22:48
I'm not asking them to buy it, merely to read and respond the totally free excerpts I have provided here. And it's not like anything they say is out of nowhere dude, Castro being repressive to his political opponents, including left wing revolutionary ones, is pretty common knowledge.

VenceremosRed
5th November 2006, 01:20
Originally posted by PeacefulAnarchist+November 04, 2006 10:33 pm--> (PeacefulAnarchist @ November 04, 2006 10:33 pm)
[email protected] 04, 2006 04:20 pm

The only thing discredited is your idealist, off in la-la land arguments and your complete refusal to recognize facts, even the simplest ones. You make absurd statements, and back them up with one book, to assault a socialist state that has actively fought against imperialism and capitalism the world over.

Venceremos Red - Will you respond to any of the statements made by this book? Like, how can you justify a government that is authoritarian and represses and jails people that disagree? How can you justify a government that calls itself socialist, yet the state shows no signs of "withering away" and the government, not the workers have the power? Castro lives much better than the average Cuban worker does, how does this fit in with Lenin's assertion about state workers making only as much as the average worker?

And anyone can be a fighter against imperialism - including reactionary and theocratic governments, that doesn't mean that revolutionaries should uphold them as socialist.[/b]
<_< sight <_<

All these points have been thoroughly discredited before.

how can you justify a government that is authoritarian and represses and jails people that disagree?

Throwing around words bigger then you understand is not a wise method of debate. By your definition, all governments are "authoritian" - and you&#39;d be right - Engels completely agreed with you.

Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All Socialists are agreed that the political state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and will be transformed into the simple administrative functions of watching over the true interests of society. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social conditions that gave birth to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority. Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution?

A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough? (Engels, On Authority (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm), my emphasis)

On the Topic of "Withering Away"

I would be genuinely interested in your thoughts on how the Cuban state is supposed to wither away while the bourgeoisie encircle them, invade them, attempt assinations and blackading them? Would it really be wise to "wither" in the face of that? Would you put down your gun while your enemy has five pointed at you?

Castro does live probably somewhat better then an average worker in Cuba. He doesn&#39;t live extravegently. There is a leader/led dynamic, or as Marx called it, a mental/manual labor contradiction. Do you expect this to disappear all at once, somehow, magically? Again, you leave no answer.

And I will close with a quote from the same Engels essay, "Therefore, either one of two things: either the anti-authoritarians don&#39;t know what they&#39;re talking about, in which case they are creating nothing but confusion; or they do know, and in that case they are betraying the movement of the proletariat. In either case they serve the reaction."

Wanted Man
5th November 2006, 01:30
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 10:48 pm
I&#39;m not asking them to buy it, merely to read and respond the totally free excerpts I have provided here. And it&#39;s not like anything they say is out of nowhere dude, Castro being repressive to his political opponents, including left wing revolutionary ones, is pretty common knowledge.
Look, people can say that they are "left wing" all they like, but in the end, if they get US dollars for their efforts, it&#39;s pretty obvious on which side they stand. Now let me tell you about Cuba. You are aware that in the last several years, only like 3 people were executed by Cuba, right? And this was for hijacking a boat, endangering hundreds, just so they should escape. As for the other dissidents, "only" 75 of them were imprisoned, because it was proven that they had received aid from the US to destabilize the country. Why do you think that average workers either don&#39;t care or can&#39;t stand their wives, the "women in white", and scare them away? They just aren&#39;t of much consequence, as they are exposed as enemy agents. Unlike the Cuban Five. FREE THE FIVE&#33;&#33;&#33; www.freethefive.org

The Grey Blur
5th November 2006, 02:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 06:29 pm
Does anyone have evidence of this bureaucracy supposedly in Cuba? Or is it all just based on reactionary assumptions?
The critiscism of Cuba having a parasitic beuracratic class is different from that directed at the former USSR and it&#39;s satelite states. For one thing, the Cuban revolution was wildly popular and there&#39;s a big difference between Castro and the grey party officials imposed from above by Moscow.

But, the beauraucracy is alive and well in Cuba as can be seen through the petty corruption many state employees take part in, the messy state imposed after the guerilla revolution and the relative privelige loyal party types recieve.

Cuba in my opinion shows the basis for a Socialist alternative in it&#39;s (mildly flawed) planned economy, it&#39;s education, healthcare and housing ideas and I would love to see the revolution continue in the right direction;


The ending of the one-party monopoly, fair elections to genuine workers’ councils, with the right of all those – including the Trotskyists – to stand in elections, strict control over incomes, and with the right of recall over all elected officials

That&#39;s what Cuba needs for a truly democratically Socialist future.

combat
5th November 2006, 02:42
What Cuba needs is a political revolution, not a social one. Defeat the stalinist bureaucraty. Power to the Cuban working class. Defend the deformed worker&#39;s state against imperialism&#33;

Rawthentic
5th November 2006, 05:14
I see your point VR, but I deny Cuba is socialist because socialism is a worker&#39;s controlled economy. Cuba is a state-controlled economy. If Cuba is in that process, which I just don&#39;t see happening because Cuba was a backwards agrarian state due to US imperialism before that revolution, then I hope I am proven wrong.

Severian
5th November 2006, 06:31
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 09:40 am
I am enclosing some exerpts of a book written by Cuban anarchist Frank Fernandez entitled "Cuban Anarchism a History of a Movement" and also a general anarchist critique of Cuba and its M-L government.
....
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Actually Fernandez&#39; book, if you read between the lines, undermines its own claims. It admits that many Cuban anarchists in fact supported the revolutionary government. And those who were shot - it admits were part of the armed counterrevolution.

Chapter 4 (http://www.ainfos.ca/04/feb/ainfos00387.html)
The methods included armed struggle. Moscú relates: “I participated in
efforts to support guerrilla insurgencies in different parts of the country.”
In particular, two important operations took place in the same zone, the
Sierra Occidental, in which operations were difficult because the mountains
aren’t very high, they’re narrow, and they’re near Havana: “There was
direct contact with the guerrilla band commanded by Captain Pedro Sánchez
in San Cristobal; since some of our compañeros participated actively in
this band . . . they were supplied with arms . . . We also did everything
we could to support the guerrilla band commanded by Francisco Robaina
(known as ‘Machete’) that operated in the same range.”

These armed groups were CIA-supported rightist ones. "Machete" was an especially notorious counter-revolutionary terrorist. (http://www.guerrillero.co.cu/prisioneros/ingles/elapollo3.html)

More about these groups (http://www.granma.cu/cubademanda/ingles/demanda4-i.html)

A few months after Fidel Castro declared himself a marxist-leninist, an
event without parallel in the history of Cuban anarchism occurred. Manuel
Gaona Sousa, an old railroad worker from the times of Enrique Varona and
the CNOC, a libertarian militant his entire life and a founder of the
ALC, and in the first years of Castroism the ALC’s Secretary of Relations-and
hence the person dealing with overseas anarchist media and organizations-betrayed
both his ideals and his comrades. In a document titled A Clarification
and a Declaration of the Cuban Libertarians, dated and signed in Marianao
on November 24, 1961, Gaona denounced the Cuban anarchists who didn’t
share his enthusiasm for the Castro revolution.

After the first confrontations with the most stalinist sectors of the
PCC, it was understood in the ALC that the regime, on its way to totalitarianism,
would not permit the existence of an anarchist organization, or even the
propagation of anarchist ideas. The PCC wanted to settle accounts with
the anarchists. For his part, Gaona preferred to save his own skin by
settling in the enemy camp, leaving his former comrades to fend for themselves.

In all lands and all latitudes there have always been those who have embraced
and then rejected libertarian ideas. In this, Gaona was not unusual. The
renunciation of anarchism by prominent anarchists was nothing new; persons
with equal or more responsibility than Gaona in Cuban anarchist organizations
had done it, exchanging their social opinions for Cuban electoral politics.
For example, Enrique Messonier crossed over to the Partido Liberal in
1901; Antonio Penichet to the Partido Auténtico at the beginning of the
1930s; and Helio Nardo to the Partido Ortodoxo at the end of the 1940s.
These acts were never considered traitorous by the majority of libertarian
militants. They simply believed that these ex-compañeros had the right
to choose their own political destiny, and those who switched allegiances
were never anathematized. Besides, they hadn’t drastically changed their
basic positions, and they hadn’t associated themselves with parties of
the extreme right or with other totalitarian or religious parties. This
wasn’t the case with Gaona. He not only allied himself with the reactionary
forces governing Cuba, but he also threatened to denounce as “agents of
imperialism” former comrades who didn’t share his pseudo-revolutionary
posture to the recently formed Committees for the Defense of the Revolution-which,
of course, would have meant prison or the firing squad for anyone he denounced.

Gaona went further and coerced several elderly anarchists, such as Rafael
Serra and Francisco Bretau, into being accomplices in his betrayal through
a document in which he attempted to “clarify” for overseas anarchists
“an insidious campaign being waged in the libertarian press of your country
. . . against the Cuban Revolution” with the purpose of “collecting money
for the Cuban libertarian prisoners . . . to deliver them and their families
out of the country.” The document railed against what Gaona labeled “a
hoax, irresponsibility, and bad faith” on the part of his ex-comrades
now in exile or taking refuge in some embassy. He then guaranteed in the
first paragraph that there did not exist on the entire island “a single
libertarian comrade who has been detained or persecuted for his ideas.”
And this when Gaona had expelled all the anarchists from the ALC and dissolved
the organization&#33;


The second paragraph of Gaona’s document declared that there didn’t exist
any type of political or religious persecution in Cuba, and then attempted
to identify the Bay of Pigs prisoners with all of the opposition forces
in Cuba, including, of course, the anarchists. To combat this threat,
there existed an “extreme vigilance in the people through the Committees
for the Defense of the Revolution-one on every block-against the terrorists.”
Gaona thus justified the terrorism of the state against the people through
committees of informers that answered to the feared state security agency.
He also implied that any citizen that didn’t back this “revolutionary”
process, these intrusive committees, was a traitor who deserved to be
denounced.

Gaona then lied outright when he declared that “almost the totality of
libertarian militants in Cuba find themselves integrated into the distinct
‘Organisms of the Cuban Revolution’,” all of which he labeled “mass organizations.”
He then boasted that the “integration” of these militants was the “consequence
of the molding [into reality] . . . of all of the immediate objectives
of our program . . . and the reason for being of the international anarchist
movement and the international workers’ movement.” Here one can grasp
fully the intention and direction of this document. According to Gaona,
the anarchists “integrated” themselves spontaneously into Castro’s despotism
because it embodied the objective of all of their social struggles over
more than a century. He even goes beyond this and says that Castro’s despotism
embodies the true agenda and purpose of all of the world’s anarchists.

Gaona ends with an exhortation to non-Cuban anarchists “to not be surprised
by the bad intentions and false information that you’ll receive from those
. . . at the service, conscious or unconscious, of the Cuban counter-revolution,
who undertake to remain deaf and blind before the realities . . . of the
most progressive, democratic, and humanist Revolution of our continent.”
Finally, he states that it’s necessary to support Castroism and “to take
up arms” in its defense, declaring “traitors and cowards” those who “under
the pretext of differences or sectarian rancor” oppose this beautiful
dream.

This document is treated here at length because it will help the reader
better understand its sinister consequences in coming years. Gaona, at
the end of his life, had betrayed his comrades, but even worse, he coerced
five elderly members of the Cuban anarchist movement-some already infirm
octogenerians-into endorsing this monstrous declaration that precisely
negated all libertarian principles, both inside and outside Cuba. Vicente
Alea, Rafael Serra, Francisco Bretau, Andrés Pardo, and Francisco Calle
(“Mata”) signed this document along with 16 others who had little or nothing
to do with Cuban anarchism.

That account of the Gaono tendency is obviously biased - but Fernandez has to admit it existed.

And based on everything else in Fernandez&#39; book, obviously Gaona was right to say his kind were "at the service, conscious or unconscious, of the Cuban counter-revolution". Today, they&#39;re Miami exile enemies of the revolution little different from the Cuban-American National Foundation and other openly rightist groups.

VenceremosRed
5th November 2006, 06:59
Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 05:14 am
I see your point VR, but I deny Cuba is socialist because socialism is a worker&#39;s controlled economy. Cuba is a state-controlled economy. If Cuba is in that process, which I just don&#39;t see happening because Cuba was a backwards agrarian state due to US imperialism before that revolution, then I hope I am proven wrong.

You haven&#39;t explained how it isn&#39;t a worker&#39;s controlled economy. If you research it, Cuba spends a great deal of time and resources into drawing the masses into the decision making process and direction of the economy and state.

A state is just an instrument of class oppression - it can be used against the proletariat or against the bourgeoisie. In this case, it&#39;s used by the proletariat against the bourgeoisie. When class destinctions begin to fade, the state will begin to lose its purpose, and then "wither away".

It won&#39;t happen overnight, or even over 40 years being surrounded by imperialism.

Read some of these articles:

Participation is key to Cuba’s democracy (http://www.cuba-solidarity.org/cubasi_article.asp?ArticleID=50)

Five reasons why the people rule (http://www.cuba-solidarity.org/cubasi_article.asp?ArticleID=53)

And many more here (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/cuba/Writings.html).

A kind of old one, but very informative one by some Candian communists:
The Real Cuba (http://www2.cddc.vt.edu/marxists//history/canada/socialisthistory/Docs/1961-/Cuba/RealCuba.htm)

Explain to me, if the workers are not in control, then obviously the ruling class in Cuba spends a lot of time/resources ensuring mass participation, at levels completely unknown to the most liberal bourgeois democracy.

Why? :cuba:

RNK
5th November 2006, 18:01
Let&#39;s just agree on this, that Cuba isn&#39;t perfect, but it is by far the best example of Socialism the world has to offer -- and may infact be the best the world has ever seen. Cuba is not a worker&#39;s paradise but it has so much more to offer than any Western "democratic" nation, and you&#39;d do well to take reactionary criticism of Fidel and the Cuban Communists with a grain of salt. Rather than waiting around, uselessly waiting for your perfect view of Communism to land on your door step, and ignoring any and all other attempts at Socialism, support them. Support Cuba in its attempts. Support Chavez, even if he isn&#39;t a revolutionary -- he is still doing good things for the people, and though it is all likely to be reversed, it should still be supported. We can&#39;t sit around refusing to accept and support every movement that doesn&#39;t call for the immediate and catastrophic annihilation of all traces of capitalism.

AlwaysAnarchy
5th November 2006, 18:04
Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2006 06:01 pm
Let&#39;s just agree on this, that Cuba isn&#39;t perfect, but it is by far the best example of Socialism the world has to offer -- and may infact be the best the world has ever seen. Cuba is not a worker&#39;s paradise but it has so much more to offer than any Western "democratic" nation, and you&#39;d do well to take reactionary criticism of Fidel and the Cuban Communists with a grain of salt. Rather than waiting around, uselessly waiting for your perfect view of Communism to land on your door step, and ignoring any and all other attempts at Socialism, support them. Support Cuba in its attempts. Support Chavez, even if he isn&#39;t a revolutionary -- he is still doing good things for the people, and though it is all likely to be reversed, it should still be supported. We can&#39;t sit around refusing to accept and support every movement that doesn&#39;t call for the immediate and catastrophic annihilation of all traces of capitalism.
But it isn&#39;t socialism - the workers don&#39;t have the power, the government does. Also there is a personality cult around Castro and certain members of the government.

They have repressed and jailed anarchists and leftists who went against their government, how is this socialist or left wing?? If Cuba has been so great to workers, why do so many want to leave the island?? I mean the Batista regime sucked big time, but there were immigrants coming TO Cuba at this time...now the immigration is all going in one direction - and that&#39;s out.

Castro&#39;s Cuba also repressed homosexuals at one point and time and the suicide rate has gone up very very high.

VenceremosRed
5th November 2006, 18:24
Originally posted by PeacefulAnarchist+November 05, 2006 06:04 pm--> (PeacefulAnarchist @ November 05, 2006 06:04 pm)
[email protected] 05, 2006 06:01 pm
Let&#39;s just agree on this, that Cuba isn&#39;t perfect, but it is by far the best example of Socialism the world has to offer -- and may infact be the best the world has ever seen. Cuba is not a worker&#39;s paradise but it has so much more to offer than any Western "democratic" nation, and you&#39;d do well to take reactionary criticism of Fidel and the Cuban Communists with a grain of salt. Rather than waiting around, uselessly waiting for your perfect view of Communism to land on your door step, and ignoring any and all other attempts at Socialism, support them. Support Cuba in its attempts. Support Chavez, even if he isn&#39;t a revolutionary -- he is still doing good things for the people, and though it is all likely to be reversed, it should still be supported. We can&#39;t sit around refusing to accept and support every movement that doesn&#39;t call for the immediate and catastrophic annihilation of all traces of capitalism.
But it isn&#39;t socialism - the workers don&#39;t have the power, the government does. Also there is a personality cult around Castro and certain members of the government.

They have repressed and jailed anarchists and leftists who went against their government, how is this socialist or left wing?? If Cuba has been so great to workers, why do so many want to leave the island?? I mean the Batista regime sucked big time, but there were immigrants coming TO Cuba at this time...now the immigration is all going in one direction - and that&#39;s out.

Castro&#39;s Cuba also repressed homosexuals at one point and time and the suicide rate has gone up very very high. [/b]
PeacefulAnarchist: I am completely amazed by your ability to completely ignore facts and arguments that don&#39;t fit your agenda.

There&#39;s a thread going on about "false leftists" - maybe you should check it out.

AlwaysAnarchy
5th November 2006, 18:25
Dude, if you wanna talk about false leftists...what about the nationalist/authoritarian Ho Chi Minh in your avatar??