why do you dislike cops

[Red October]

why do other people hate them so much? i dont like them either, but i was wondering about other people's reasons for disliking them.

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Because cops are a tool used by the ruling class to reign oppression down upon the proletariat and lumpenproletariat. They crush uprisings, beat black people, and in reality, are only necessary in capitalism where inequality gives way to rampant crime

[Organic Revolution]

in a more "down to earth" way of explaining it, they are the protectors of the rich. they are not concerned about the poor and there problems, but once a rich man gets robbed, there all over it.

[lvleph]

Well, almost every encounter I have had with a cop was them being assholes, and this includes every time I have spoken to my father in law. There have been about two "cool" cops that I have met. But maybe that was one of their tactics. Although, one was quite honest with me and told me how much the rest of his precinct really hated me, and that he didn't understand why.

[which doctor]

They serve to protect the property, primarily the property of the wealthy.

And most cops I've had run-ins with have been total dicks!

[RNK]

They are the capitalists' front-line soldiers. Some have dellusions of helping people out (and some actually do) but for the most part they are solidly stuck in the beauraucracy of capitalism.

[Ultra-Violence]

Capitilist Lap Dogs! :hammer:

[irkone]

If I know a cop off-duty, I can see them as human beings. Some are even cool. I know a few. But when they are on-duty, I can't see them as people with feelings - they don't give a fuck about mine. On-duty, they are robots with weapons (and tempers) granted permission to do whatever they want without any severe consequences (at least not by the system).

[Zero]

The only cop that hasn't shitted all over me was a rent-a-cop at the high school way back when. He just kinda sat back and let us do our own thing as long as we didn't start beating each other up.

[An archist]

The problem with cops is that they try to make a better world themselves, but they can't speak out for their ideals, you even have some leftist cops, but when they're asked to attack a leftist demo or protect a nazi march, they won't hesitate, they're trained like that. Yet they still think they're doing a good job.
And off course, you also have the bastards who join the police to beat up some 'long haired freaks' and use every possible occasion to harass you.

[Patchd]

They are the tools of the ruling classes, just like the army.

[apathy maybe]

'Cause cops are scum. Others have mentioned good reasons, and other good reasons are mentioned in this thread http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...c=55336&hl=cops (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=55336&hl=cops)

[Rollo]

They beat me with clubs.

[Pirate Utopian]

they are the tools of the capitalist government

[BreadBros]

Cops are the agents of the state and of the rich. If you're a working class person you usually have to be in fear of them as much as you are of criminals. Most of them (at least the patrol cops, maybe not detectives) don't give a fuck about protecting people, just hassling people on their power trip and abusing people they don't like. Some of them are also very corrupt.

[Lings]

I dont really hate the cops. The cops arent the enemy, but they are between me and the enemy, and they have guns and they better fucking move.

[An archist]

oh, an additional reason why I personally hate cops even more.
Tuesday there was an anti fascist protest. I brought a big red n black flag and a smaller black flag for a friend, the cops had only just seen us with the flags or we were surrounded by 6 legal thugs that pushed us against a riot van to search us as if we were criminals. They took the flags saying we could ahve 'em back after the protest, naturally they didn't do that and tried sending is all over town to different stations, today I went back only to hear they stole our flags (they gave it an official term, but I don't know the english words for that)
damn smurfs

[Sadena Meti]

Never judge members of a group as the group as a whole. I have an extremely solid comrade who happens to be pretty senior in law enforcement. Awesome guy, down with the people, fun as hell to hang out with (plus his arsenal is amazing!)

And he hates fascists, to the extent of passing on information to antifa's that he really shouldn't :D

[Rollo]

Never judge members of a group as the group as a whole.

Like fascists and racists?

[An archist]

Originally posted by rev-[email protected] 03, 2006 01:23 pm
Never judge members of a group as the group as a whole. I have an extremely solid comrade who happens to be pretty senior in law enforcement. Awesome guy, down with the people, fun as hell to hang out with (plus his arsenal is amazing!)

And he hates fascists, to the extent of passing on information to antifa's that he really shouldn't :D
yeah, but if they called upon him to protect a nazi march he wouldn't have much choice now would he?

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 09:14 am

Never judge members of a group as the group as a whole.

Like fascists and racists?
Aww... fuck... Rollo, why did you have to ruin this by bringing in rationality and logic? It's people like you that fuck up Stalinism ;)

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by An archist+November 04, 2006 10:09 am--> (An archist @ November 04, 2006 10:09 am)
rev-[email protected] 03, 2006 01:23 pm
Never judge members of a group as the group as a whole. I have an extremely solid comrade who happens to be pretty senior in law enforcement. Awesome guy, down with the people, fun as hell to hang out with (plus his arsenal is amazing!)

And he hates fascists, to the extent of passing on information to antifa's that he really shouldn't :D
yeah, but if they called upon him to protect a nazi march he wouldn't have much choice now would he? [/b]
Well, don't want to reveal too much, but this a good example because in Madison there was a Nazi rally just a few months ago. He had nothing to do with that jurisdiction, but... yeah, in the event of that rally, he would have been out there with his team in fully body armor standing between the protestors and the Nazis. And he would have been cursing himself the whole time. But he would also make sure to leak the bus routes the Nazis were taking and where they were staying. And also let the antifas know what they could get away with and what they couldn't. And after the Nazi’s escaped, and the antifas were insulting the police for protecting them, like *name-removed* did with his “Old MacDonald” song, he would have felt hatred towards *name-removed* and also hatred towards himself. I’ll reveal a little bit about my friend, because it won’t be enough to ID him. He’s black. Very. And proud of it. And he would have taken his place defending these Nazi fuckheads, people who would gladly lynch him, and he would have felt like shit doing it. (I feel safe posting this because he is in the room with me looking over my shoulder as I type. Everyone say Hi!).

Which brings to the surface a solid point (point here is the "it's a job" point, noting this because it will be awhile before my rambling narrative gets to that point), actually, several, and it looks like this post is going to turn into a diatribe about the police that has been building up to me for awhile.

Note - this observations and conclusions in this post apply primarily to police in urban areas of the United States, though aspects of it apply to any situation, with appropriate modification to situation and locality.

Why does someone choose to become a police officer?

About 25% join the police (I’m including all law enforcement in the term “police”) because they want to have power over others, they want to persecute. Sociopaths.

About 50% join because it is a job. It’s just a job. It’s a job that will never go away, and had good benefits (and a strong union). In terms of a career, police work is a solid one, assuming you don’t get caught sodomizing a prisoner with a plunger. They really don’t care or think about what their job is, they just do their job.

The last 25% join because they feel a genuine desire to “serve and protect.” But serve and protect what? Now we all know what the real role of the police is (to serve and protect those in power, and ensure the smooth running of the economy), but that is not what is on the recruitment posters. The “supposed” role of the police, the role that is on the recruitment posters, is to “serve and protect the people.”

OK, I want all of you to stop and think about that for a moment. 25-33% of police joined up because of a genuine desire to “serve and protect the people.”


So now we are done with the past, and on to the present. They’ve joined the police. They’ve gotten their training, been indoctrinated, and been on the streets a few years, and experienced what the real job of the police is all about. They’ve framed their first perp, they’ve beaten their first protestor.

Now what?

Well, the top 25%, the sociopaths, this is what they wanted, so they are happy, and unchanged. Fuck ‘em.

The middle 50%, they have become desensitized, and accept that this is the job they signed up for, this is the roll they play. Zombies. Not much you can do for them, but with effort you can wake them up.

But what about the bottom 25%? The idealists.

Well, most of them are broken. They either accept the truth, that police do not serve the people, and join the above 50%, or they sublimate it in some way, finding some other way to help the people, and thus salve their conscience.

So, what does this mean numerically?

It means that 1 in 4 cops would gladly join the revolution. You just have to establish rapport with them, feel what they feel, and explain that there is another way. This is a huge revolutionary population which are in extant positions of authority that will side with us if we would only ask them. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, police are ready to be turned, if you put in the effort. Not just the 25%, but also the 50%, because the mythos of “serving the people” has been drilled into them, even if it is a lie.

A lot of you think you know about the ills of society. You will preach about the criminalization of certain socio-economic groups, and talk in high and lofty terms about the alienation of man towards his fellow man. But how many of you have drawn a chalk outline around a dead body? How many of you have walked into a home and seen the horror of domestic violence? And been able to do nothing to stop it?

These men and women are dying to become revolutionaries. Whether they know it or not.

[LuXe]

I agree with rev-stoic. There are cops out there with genuine care for the working-class.

I DIG the cops that busts market-crime, and put those rich con-bastards in jail.

[Rollo]

I just felt like being a smart ass to be honest. I know a few good cops, they aer dodgy as hell and never actually DO anything.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by LuXe+November 05, 2006 02:21 am--> (LuXe @ November 05, 2006 02:21 am) I agree with rev-stoic. There are cops out there with genuine care for the working-class.
[/b]
If they 'cared' about the working class they wouldn't be enforcing the laws that imprison working class people, end of.

If you care about 'the people', you'd fuckin' quit the police force, it's not 'just a job', it's one of the pillars of state/social control. It's impossible to be take the force down from the inside or moonlight as a serious revolutionary. The police force has a strict hierarchy, if you don't follow orders you'll get the can, you can only 'go soft' for so long before you get caught, and the die-hard pigs sure as hell won't like you playing 'working class hero', so either way, working against the system from the inside can only last for so long.

"...the atmosphere does not yet exist in which an honest police officer can act without fear of ridicule or reprisal from fellow officers. We create an atmosphere in which the honest officer fears the dishonest officer, and not the other way around."

Frank Serpico, ex-NYPD officer.

Here's another,

“[the Police] are the coercive arm of the state that must be able to impose the will of the state on those who would thumb their noses at the laws, and we must have the power and ability to do that.”

That quote, showing surprising honesty, comes from Greg O’Connor, the NZ Police Association President.



Originally posted by Luxe+--> (Luxe)I DIG the cops that busts market-crime, and put those rich con-bastards in jail.[/b]

Which cops are these? How many rich people are in jail?



Originally posted by rev-stoic
But how many of you have drawn a chalk outline around a dead body? How many of you have walked into a home and seen the horror of domestic violence? And been able to do nothing to stop it?

Yeah, you're right, we should all empathise with cops, they've got it so bad.


rev-[email protected]

Why does someone choose to become a police officer?

This data was gathered scientifically yes? Wait... Where is the data?


rev-stoic
These men and women are dying to become revolutionaries. Whether they know it or not.

:lol:

Are you a troll/cop or what?

[Sadena Meti]

Black Dagger

All I can say is that you have never lived in the slums. And you have no empathy for workers that serve the system as part of their jobs (shall we shoot every assembly line worker in munition factories?). And you have no understanding that those in positions of authority are slaves themselves.


Law enforcement is a factory.


Spend some time in the mud, blood, and trenches before you pretend to know anything.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by revstoic+--> (revstoic)All I can say is that you have never lived in the slums. [/b]

Right, so if i did live in a slum, what? I'd love the cops? Respect them?

Funny, a hell of a lot of Black Panthers grew up in slums, and one of (if not the biggest) target of the BPP was the police:


Originally posted by Huey Newton+--> (Huey Newton)The police in our community could not possibly be there to protect our property, because we own no property. They couldnt possibly be there to see that we received the due process of law, for the simple reason that the police themselves deny us the due process of law. And so its very apparent that the police are only in our community, not for our security, but for the security of the business owners in the community; and also to see that the status-quo is kept intact.[/b]


Originally posted by Fred Hampton
We said move to a higher level, we're movin' to a level where by the people are goin' to take over control of their destiny, they're gonna take over control of their community; and the first way of doing this is dealing with the most integral part of the fascist three-way oppression; we say demagogic lying politicans, and avaricious greedy businessmen, and we say fascist pig cops. But the one that's most evident, the one that's closest, the one that's more clear, the one that's more defined in the Black community is those fascist pig cops. So what we're sayin' is that if the people can deal with these fools, we will have taken a revolutionary step... a revolutionary leap i should say.

Who do the people in the slums of Brasil fight? The police.

Police are at their very worst in the slums, they sure as hell don't harrass, beat and kill people livin' in the hollywood hills now do they? Why? Because they wouldn't get away with it.


Originally posted by rev-stoic

And you have no empathy for workers that serve the system as part of their jobs (shall we shoot every assembly line worker in munition factories?).

No, I have no empathy for PIGS, pigs have a unique role in maintaining the system, defending the state and capital, killing, beat and harrassing working class people (as well as Black/Indigenous/queer people of all classes), dissidents, suppressing dissent with arms etc. etc.

They are ACTIVE reactionaries, they do violence themselves, they protect the state and capital themselves, this sets them a part from most other servants of the system.


Originally posted by revstoic

And you have no understanding that those in positions of authority are slaves themselves.

Fucking please, don't insult people who are really exploited and oppressed by likening their oppressors to 'slaves', what a fucking joke!


[email protected]

Law enforcement is a factory.

Right, not unique in any way? Just a factory like any other?


revstoic
Spend some time in the mud, blood, and trenches before you pretend to know anything.

Ah yes, 'the trenches of cop love', no thanks, i don't want to be a class-traitor.

[An archist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 04:21 pm
I agree with rev-stoic. There are cops out there with genuine care for the working-class.

of course there are, but they're in a fucked up system, they're trained to obey, like the black cop who defends nazis.

of course a lot of them wnat to 'serve and protect the people' but they're not! joining the police means that at some point you'll have to fight the people, most cops will do that in the genuine belief that they're protecting the people.
That's what's fucked up about the police!

[R_P_A_S]

I don't even wanna get into this shit. I'm still too pissed [email protected]@!@@!!!!!!

[R_P_A_S]

have any of you ever seen a cop join sides with protestors? Shit. I ever do that man should be given a medal!!!

[black magick hustla]

i dont individual cops in the same way i do not hate individual soldiers

[R_P_A_S]

well as much as I hate cops and vent my frustration about them to other people. I always get asked the same question. "so what about rapist and child molestors?? we don't need cops to catch them and punish them?

I mean as unhuman this tools are (cops) they do want to catch these people. just like it makes You and I sick! I'm sure it also makes them sick.

[Sadena Meti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2006 12:23 pm
I mean as unhuman this tools are (cops) they do want to catch these people. just like it makes You and I sick! I'm sure it also makes them sick.
There is a serious point in that sentiment. "Fuck they are fucked up, but fuck, they could be used for something, if only they'd fucking do it!"

(2, 3, 4... 4 fucks, that's not tourettes, is it?)

[bolshevik butcher]

I agree with the general sentiment that the police are a tool of the bourgeoirse state. I'm sure that lots of people join the police with genuinely good motives or to escape from poverty and unemployment, as individuals I have nothing against them, just like I have nothing against individual soldiers, the rank and file are just another group of working class people after all.

Why is this in anti-fascism anyway?

[LuXe]

Move it to learning then.

Ill say that overall they are a tool of the bourguise yes.

[Red October]

dont hate on cops for protecting nazis. the nazis are entitled to free speech too, just like we are. what kind of a society would it be if someone got beatdown by a communist just because they express a contrary opinion? anyway, its not like many people in america actually take the skinheads and ku klux klan seriously. the cop at my high school is black, and hes pretty cool to people.

[LuXe]

Here in Norway Nazis have internet pages and recruits openly members. trust me; "Freedom of speech" stops where the open abolishment of individual rights starts.

[Red October]

we have that in america too. you cant just go beating people up for their opinions or else you could be just as bad as them.

[The Grey Blur]

why do you dislike cops
Because they harass me for being a socialist & having a catholic name

Other than that they're great and brave people :rolleyes:

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2006 11:44 am
I dont really hate the cops. The cops arent the enemy, but they are between me and the enemy, and they have guns and they better fucking move.
lol ya and that's part of the reason we hate them.

[SPK]

I loathe the cops.

Many are originally from the working class, as RS has noted, and in that sense they are similar to members of the armed forces in the usa. There are people in the military who have historically, during major crises for the capitalist state, become political and radicalized. That certainly occurred during the Vietnam War among amerikan soldiers, for example. Once they saw the horrors that imperialism was unleashing in Vietnam, some became Marxist-Leninists and helped form the vanguardist parties which were prominent during the seventies -- see the history of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, for example, as many members became part of what is today the Revolutionary Communist Party usa. Others threw their support behind different struggles of the time: many Black Panthers were vets, which is quite useful for an organization dedicated to armed self-defense of the black communities! :) And, of course, by 1969, the military was seeing systemic disobedience and worse (for the brass) by huge numbers of soldiers: many would simply not follow orders, would not fight, and would sometimes kill their own officers (fragging). They created hundreds of their own alternative newspapers and coffeehouses, as well as their own organizations to resist the aggression in Vietnam. Here is one history of these activities: http://libcom.org/history/articles/vietnam-gi-resistance.

I cannot think of any example in the usa where the police have engaged in similar activities, at least from the sixties forward. Maybe this occurred at some level during the tremendous struggles of the great depression era. It would seem that the cops here are much more closely integrated with the capitalist state and more effectively and loyally serve it than elsewhere. Leo U. has noted in other threads that the some police in Turkey are active on the left and were imprisoned and tortured by the military regime there, and I’m curious as to how that kind of situation actually develops.

We can’t shoot all the cops during or after the revolution, as that is not, to put it mildly, a viable military strategy. It is preferable to try and politically neutralize certain sections, so that they do not defend the capitalist state. If other sections can be won over to actively supporting the revolution itself, so much the better. At least some of this could spontaneously arise as the ruling class weakens during the revolutionary process. But the history on this question in the usa – politically struggling with the cops? -- is not good at all.

[Pow R. Toc H.]

Cops are generally dickheads. At my school there are a couple cool cops but generally they get you in trouble and dont give a fuck. Cops make every situations 10x worse and they always try to spoil your fun. One time I was hanging out outside KFC smoking some chronic and a cop rolls up and tries to throw us in jail. How does arresting some kids smoking pot help the community? How does arresting people for possesion or for underage drinking help the community? it doesnt, cops are just dickheads.

[sav]

My sisters boyfriend is a copper. Great bloke off duty, but I've never seen him on duty, which I guess would be a strange experience.

When they're on duty, being the guard dogs of the elite, then sure, A.C.A.B. But remember, some of them are human behind the badge and believe what they're doing is right for society. Not all coppers want to beat the shit out of you just because they can.

I guess I'm biased in having such a good relationship with a police officer, I mean shit, he might even be family soon.

[rouchambeau]

They ate all of my donughts.

[liberdade]

Yesterday i was walking down the side of the street not doing anything wrong staying off the road and a cop pulls in front of me steps out and proceeds to force me to take everything out of my pockets and pat me down. I say forcibly because he grabbed my arm and shoved me against the car and said if you dont im going to arrest you under suspicion of possession. So i took everything out of my pockets cause thats all i need is another arrest on my record, and guess what he found. My wallet, cell phone and a pen. After he patted me down he threw my stuff at me i grabbed my cell phone and everything else fell on the ground, and said very sarcastically have a nice day. I hate police because of the fact that they can do that to me, when i have no "illegal substances" and just because i was wearing a leather jacket he said that i looked suspicious. If i was a rich guy with a $200 pair of jeans and some jordan shoes he never would have stopped me. Because i look, as he said, "grunge" so therefore i must do drugs. They do not care about you, very very few do i will admit, but because of how i look that has no right to make it so that i get forcibly searched. And Black Dagger brings up a good point how many rich people are in jail??

[Louis Pio]

have any of you ever seen a cop join sides with protestors? Shit. I ever do that man should be given a medal!!!

During the big easter generalstrike in Denmark in 1985, the police started to join with the protestors. The strikes were however stopped by the union bureaucrats (social democratic and "communists") before it developed. Im sure there's other examples too. However the police are as people said the arm of the bourgious state and normally acts as such. But in quite unusual situations it can change among the rank and file of the cops.

On a personal note my biggest problem with them is all the time i've seen them fuck people over in various ways, try to steer clear of them normally.

[La Comédie Noire]

I will tell you why i dislike cops. It is their job to arrest people, the more the better. Make no mistake cops make a career out of cuffing people just as prosecutors make a career of punishing people. Not only do cops arrest people they are also obligated to act like assholes, to make snap judgements, and to use intimidation as a means of subduing a person. Everyhting a cop is suppost to function as speaks oppression.

So tell me why should i like an armed aggressor?

[Scout Lemar]

Police have a tendency to be ignorant and full of themselves. And as already stated, they are servants of the ruling class.

[Scout Lemar]

Police have a tendency to be ignorant and full of themselves. And as already stated, they are servants of the ruling class.

[harris0]

I think attitudes like this is the kind of thing that alienate working class people in my opinion. Cops are working class people--whether you think they're 'servants of the rich' or not. Many working class people have relatives that are cops.

It's attitudes like this that kept working class people from uniting with the student movement in the 1960's.

[Chocobo]

Anyone who sympathises with cops doesn't really know shit about cops. Suggestion: Various reading! Go get some books on police, their history, and their representation. For those who live in America i'm gonna recommend the book, "Our Enemies in Blue". Anyone who defends an american cop is defending capitalism, the bourgeois state, and white supremacy. Fuck the police, fuck the police, fuck em!

[ComradeR]

Cops are class traitors pure and simple, they enforce bourgeois laws and help them to repress the proletariat.

[harris0]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2006 12:51 pm
Cops are class traitors pure and simple, they enforce bourgeois laws and help them to repress the proletariat.
Well once you get off the computer and out of your world of dogma...you'll realize that while you're statement may be true...they're just working class people trying to get paid, and most have good intentions. While your statement may be true, it will more likely than not alienate working class people as many have relatives on the force.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2006 04:35 pm
Well once you get off the computer and out of your world of dogma...
I probably spend, between 30 mins, and an hour+ a day on this computer. Normally with this site running, but for the most part I am very much in the real world with ordinary working class people. I certainly don't have time to waste posting on capitalist/fascists sites trying to wind them up. My life is much more productive and mature than that.

Unlike you, who I understand be 14. Although Your age doesn't necessarily mean you're stupid, you're not even legally allowed to Work yet, and you're telling grown adults, to "get off the computer" and essentially 'experience the real world'. :lol:

Well, I experienced your world about 5 years ago. And I all remember thinking about was Girls, computer games, and parties. So ok, nothing has really changed there. I certainly didn't look at the world as I do today, and although called myself a communist, I didn't understand class as I do today.


they're just working class people trying to get paid, and most have good intentions.

Some are. In fact two girls I know quite well want to be police officers. And yet, when I present my critique of the police force, the often agree. They also share a hatred of most of the police force that clamps down on the working class. Of course this puts them in an awkward position.

Because our hatred, however we present it is not directed at human beings, but the institution known as the police force, who's goal is to protect the Rich, and the class society, stopping the poor get back what they deserve. If a person actively upholds that power structure, then regardless of intention, they are acting in the interests of the oppressor. As far as im concerned, that makes them our enemy.

If they want to drop out and join us they are more than welcome.

[harris0]

Originally posted by Love Underground+December 08, 2006 05:43 pm--> (Love Underground @ December 08, 2006 05:43 pm)
[email protected] 08, 2006 04:35 pm
Well once you get off the computer and out of your world of dogma...
I probably spend, between 30 mins, and an hour+ a day on this computer. Normally with this site running, but for the most part I am very much in the real world with ordinary working class people. I certainly don't have time to waste posting on capitalist/fascists sites. My life is much more productive and amture than that.

Unlike you, who I understand be 14. Although Your age doesn't necessarily mean you're stupid, you're not even legally allowed to Work yet, and you're telling grown adults, to "get off the computer" and essentially 'experience the real world'. :lol:

Well, I experienced your world about 5 years ago. And I all remember thinking about was Girls, computer games, and parties (So nothing has changed :wub: ). I certainly didn't look at the world as I do today, and although called myself a communist, I didn't understand class as I do today.


they're just working class people trying to get paid, and most have good intentions.

Some are. In fact two girls I know quite well want to be police officers. And yet, when I present my critique of the police force, the often agree. They also share a hatred of most of the police force that clamps down on the working class. Of course this puts them in an awkward position.

Because our hatred, however we present it is not directed at human beings, but the institution known as the police force, who's goal is to protect the Rich, and the class society, stopping the poor get back what they deserve. If a person actively upholds that power structure, then regardless of intention, they are acting in the interests of the oppressor. As far as im concerned, that makes them our enemy.

If they want to drop out and join us they are more than welcome. [/b]
I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm 14...but I'm 20 and in College. I work as an Emergency Medical Technician so I have regular contact with police officers, and they are ordinary working class folks. Not oppressors to be demonized.

So, that said. I'll repeat. Remove yourself from your dogma, get off the computer, and experience the real world.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2006 05:45 pm
I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm 14...but I'm 20 and in College.
So why are you spending your time on an internet forum with people you have no productive interest in?

What is the situation with your friends to the extent that you spend your fridays on the internet with people you hate :P

[harris0]

Originally posted by Love Underground+December 08, 2006 05:48 pm--> (Love Underground @ December 08, 2006 05:48 pm)
[email protected] 08, 2006 05:45 pm
I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm 14...but I'm 20 and in College.
So why are you spending your time on an internet forum with people you have no productive interest in?

What is the situation with your friends to the extent that you spend your fridays on the internet with people you hate :P [/b]
Trust me bud. In the medical field, my guess is I've experienced areas of life you never have. And i don't hate anyone here.

[Concept]

Because our hatred, however we present it is not directed at human beings, but the institution known as the police force, who's goal is to protect the Rich, and the class society, stopping the poor get back what they deserve. If a person actively upholds that power structure, then regardless of intention, they are acting in the interests of the oppressor. As far as im concerned, that makes them our enemy.

couldn't have said it better myself :)
i dislike cops because they stereotype and harass the ppl...they r also liars, do anything to get the "job" done (personal experience to speak from here)

not speaking of all tho as i've had some nice cops (got pulled over and he said he was sorry for pulling me over such and such, can't remember rest of what he said but he was a nice dood)
as long as they represent oppression of the masses i'm gonna hate em
cops who actually show TRUE honor and justice r fine in my books...let them go after the real criminals, the rapists and murders and the like

[Tekun]

not speaking of all tho as i've had some nice cops (got pulled over and he said he was sorry for pulling me over such and such, can't remember rest of what he said but he was a nice dood)
as long as they represent oppression of the masses i'm gonna hate em
cops who actually show TRUE honor and justice r fine in my books...let them go after the real criminals, the rapists and murders and the like

That's a contradiction if I ever saw one
Honor and justice to what? The profession that perpetuates the status quo? Protecting the wealth and property of the upper class?

The pigs, what can I say?
I've been pulled over or followed based on racial profiling lots of times
Do the cops help us plan demonstrations or protests against the war mongering upper class who oppress us? Nope, on the contrary, the beat us over the head if we get close to the hotel where these insects meet to plan ways to exploit our ppl
Fuck them

And to all those comrades who say theres "nice" or "cool" cops
Yeah, therez cool or nice ppl all over the world, but the mere nature of their profession (police) inherently makes them our class enemy
And, our enemy is mos definitely not "nice" or "cool" :rolleyes:

[ezlncomandante_pablo]

cops are always going to be known as dicks, no matter if a minority of them are good people. obviously anyone who hates coppers have their reasons(ie. police brutality, taunting, harrassing, rape, murder, etc), otherwise they wouldn't feel the way they do towards them. cops are androids. some, luckly, were programed with emotions, feelings, and treason, while the others remain with their views forced on by their makers.

"you're not cop, you're a robot!" -Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

[harris0]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2006 10:09 am

not speaking of all tho as i've had some nice cops (got pulled over and he said he was sorry for pulling me over such and such, can't remember rest of what he said but he was a nice dood)
as long as they represent oppression of the masses i'm gonna hate em
cops who actually show TRUE honor and justice r fine in my books...let them go after the real criminals, the rapists and murders and the like

That's a contradiction if I ever saw one
Honor and justice to what? The profession that perpetuates the status quo? Protecting the wealth and property of the upper class?

The pigs, what can I say?
I've been pulled over or followed based on racial profiling lots of times
Do the cops help us plan demonstrations or protests against the war mongering upper class who oppress us? Nope, on the contrary, the beat us over the head if we get close to the hotel where these insects meet to plan ways to exploit our ppl
Fuck them

And to all those comrades who say theres "nice" or "cool" cops
Yeah, therez cool or nice ppl all over the world, but the mere nature of their profession (police) inherently makes them our class enemy
And, our enemy is mos definitely not "nice" or "cool" :rolleyes:
idiot...

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Because they can beat up people legally, and steal legally and do many illegal thing, but because they enforce the law it doesn't count.

[Noah]

Seeing as we are 'revolutionary' and the majority of the working class in Europe and America are not they are also class traitors in some way or another but the reason for that is because they are not class concious (and so the majority of the police are not class concious) or the type of work or type of life they follow has been forced upon them by the system.

I think if the revolution was strong enough some would willingly drop out of the force but as long as it's not strong and that is their only means of being employed and having okay career prospects then they will not because they have a family to raise and a 'life to live'.

We might call them class traitors but the majority of the population don't (including the working class) because they're apolitical, infact they think we're just extremist.

And if we abolished the police institution now, then there would be anarchy (Not Bakunin's type) because capitalism needs people who enforce it, I bet if they dissolved it now even the working class would suffer from their very own it wouldn't be only the bourgeoisie.

The police will only be washed away destroyed by a revolution.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by harris0+December 08, 2006 05:45 pm--> (harris0 @ December 08, 2006 05:45 pm)
Originally posted by Love [email protected] 08, 2006 05:43 pm

[email protected] 08, 2006 04:35 pm
Well once you get off the computer and out of your world of dogma...
I probably spend, between 30 mins, and an hour+ a day on this computer. Normally with this site running, but for the most part I am very much in the real world with ordinary working class people. I certainly don't have time to waste posting on capitalist/fascists sites. My life is much more productive and amture than that.

Unlike you, who I understand be 14. Although Your age doesn't necessarily mean you're stupid, you're not even legally allowed to Work yet, and you're telling grown adults, to "get off the computer" and essentially 'experience the real world'. :lol:

Well, I experienced your world about 5 years ago. And I all remember thinking about was Girls, computer games, and parties (So nothing has changed :wub: ). I certainly didn't look at the world as I do today, and although called myself a communist, I didn't understand class as I do today.


they're just working class people trying to get paid, and most have good intentions.

Some are. In fact two girls I know quite well want to be police officers. And yet, when I present my critique of the police force, the often agree. They also share a hatred of most of the police force that clamps down on the working class. Of course this puts them in an awkward position.

Because our hatred, however we present it is not directed at human beings, but the institution known as the police force, who's goal is to protect the Rich, and the class society, stopping the poor get back what they deserve. If a person actively upholds that power structure, then regardless of intention, they are acting in the interests of the oppressor. As far as im concerned, that makes them our enemy.

If they want to drop out and join us they are more than welcome.
I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm 14...but I'm 20 and in College. I work as an Emergency Medical Technician so I have regular contact with police officers, and they are ordinary working class folks. Not oppressors to be demonized.

So, that said. I'll repeat. Remove yourself from your dogma, get off the computer, and experience the real world. [/b]
I've dealt with a good numer of cops, and a good number of them have been jerks. Are they still ordinary people? Sure, but that doesn't mean they don't bully people or act like pompous asses. This is in the "real world", by the way. I'm also quite sure that many people here have gone through experiences that you haven't, so you should bear that in mind as well.

[harris0]

Originally posted by manic expression+December 09, 2006 10:14 pm--> (manic expression @ December 09, 2006 10:14 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2006 05:45 pm

Originally posted by Love [email protected] 08, 2006 05:43 pm

[email protected] 08, 2006 04:35 pm
Well once you get off the computer and out of your world of dogma...
I probably spend, between 30 mins, and an hour+ a day on this computer. Normally with this site running, but for the most part I am very much in the real world with ordinary working class people. I certainly don't have time to waste posting on capitalist/fascists sites. My life is much more productive and amture than that.

Unlike you, who I understand be 14. Although Your age doesn't necessarily mean you're stupid, you're not even legally allowed to Work yet, and you're telling grown adults, to "get off the computer" and essentially 'experience the real world'. :lol:

Well, I experienced your world about 5 years ago. And I all remember thinking about was Girls, computer games, and parties (So nothing has changed :wub: ). I certainly didn't look at the world as I do today, and although called myself a communist, I didn't understand class as I do today.


they're just working class people trying to get paid, and most have good intentions.

Some are. In fact two girls I know quite well want to be police officers. And yet, when I present my critique of the police force, the often agree. They also share a hatred of most of the police force that clamps down on the working class. Of course this puts them in an awkward position.

Because our hatred, however we present it is not directed at human beings, but the institution known as the police force, who's goal is to protect the Rich, and the class society, stopping the poor get back what they deserve. If a person actively upholds that power structure, then regardless of intention, they are acting in the interests of the oppressor. As far as im concerned, that makes them our enemy.

If they want to drop out and join us they are more than welcome.
I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm 14...but I'm 20 and in College. I work as an Emergency Medical Technician so I have regular contact with police officers, and they are ordinary working class folks. Not oppressors to be demonized.

So, that said. I'll repeat. Remove yourself from your dogma, get off the computer, and experience the real world.
I've dealt with a good numer of cops, and a good number of them have been jerks. Are they still ordinary people? Sure, but that doesn't mean they don't bully people or act like pompous asses. This is in the "real world", by the way. I'm also quite sure that many people here have gone through experiences that you haven't, so you should bear that in mind as well. [/b]
Of course...this just strikes me as an ignorant, juvenile topic. I know a lot of hardworking cops that are better people than I could ever be.

[Noah]

Of course there are good cops, just like there might be a nice right wing politician however their political stance and what they represent/protect inherently makes them a class traitor/enemy.

And that is why most people on this board dislike cops because they are part of an institution which tries to stop the working class movement in favour of the rich minority.

[antipopdude]

In Noway our state made the cops spy on active communists, and they still do...

[Knight of Cydonia]

dislike the cops coz i think that they are just a bunch of selfish idiot that using their uniform as a weapon to oppress the civilian...that case of police oppress the civillian is often happenin my country especially in my town.

i hate them a lot!

[Concept]

Seeing as we are 'revolutionary' and the majority of the working class in Europe and America are not they are also class traitors in some way or another but the reason for that is because they are not class concious (and so the majority of the police are not class concious) or the type of work or type of life they follow has been forced upon them by the system.

very true...alot of ppl r just drones for the hive and don't give 2 shits about whats going on in the world...not class or worldy conscious





That's a contradiction if I ever saw one
Honor and justice to what? The profession that perpetuates the status quo? Protecting the wealth and property of the upper class?

And to all those comrades who say theres "nice" or "cool" cops
Yeah, therez cool or nice ppl all over the world, but the mere nature of their profession (police) inherently makes them our class enemy
And, our enemy is mos definitely not "nice" or "cool" rolleyes.gif

yes they r our enemy, i'll agree with ya there, but by being lenient sometimes it shows there is hope for some of them so i don't believe u can place them all in the class of enemy
some ppl it just takes a little more for them to open their eyes

[Tekun]

Originally posted by harris0+December 09, 2006 03:14 pm--> (harris0 @ December 09, 2006 03:14 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2006 10:09 am

not speaking of all tho as i've had some nice cops (got pulled over and he said he was sorry for pulling me over such and such, can't remember rest of what he said but he was a nice dood)
as long as they represent oppression of the masses i'm gonna hate em
cops who actually show TRUE honor and justice r fine in my books...let them go after the real criminals, the rapists and murders and the like

That's a contradiction if I ever saw one
Honor and justice to what? The profession that perpetuates the status quo? Protecting the wealth and property of the upper class?

The pigs, what can I say?
I've been pulled over or followed based on racial profiling lots of times
Do the cops help us plan demonstrations or protests against the war mongering upper class who oppress us? Nope, on the contrary, the beat us over the head if we get close to the hotel where these insects meet to plan ways to exploit our ppl
Fuck them

And to all those comrades who say theres "nice" or "cool" cops
Yeah, therez cool or nice ppl all over the world, but the mere nature of their profession (police) inherently makes them our class enemy
And, our enemy is mos definitely not "nice" or "cool" :rolleyes:
idiot... [/b]
Great rebuttal buddy :rolleyes: