Second thoughts on Pacifism

[AlwaysAnarchy]

After reading many of your threads and arguments and after doing some much-needed soul searching, I have decided to reconsider my previously held pacifist position. As much as I and others, would like to have a peaceful revolution and as much as I'd still like to see it attempted whenever at all possible, I am beginning to see that when fascist reactionary forces use force against the people, defending the people with force is not an evil thing and yes sometimes necessary. Thus violence is necessary as a last ditch resort, when all else has failed.

Thanks to those of you who wrote intelligent posts on this subject. I am learning more and more about revolutionary theory and concepts while I'm here. :)

[Sadena Meti]

*my reply belonged in chit chat*

[AlwaysAnarchy]

BUMPing the thread so everyone can see that I have renounced pacifism.

[loveme4whoiam]

Good :) The learning process has begun for you.

[The Feral Underclass]

Congratulations.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

There seems something very wrong in congraulating you for embracing violence, but well done I suppose. It's always hard to seriously look at your beliefs and change them.

-Alex

[SPK]

Is there a Hallmark greeting card for someone who has accepted the necessity of revolutionary violence?

[LoneRed]

ya i believe there is.

i mean they gotta make a profit of every instance do they not?

[ZACKist]

"Revolution is not a dinner party." Indeed it isn't!

[Blue Collar Bohemian]

Pacifism should always be the goal of a revolution, however, when the pigs that control the system fight back as they see their power slipping we must be prepared to defend ourselves.

[Vargha Poralli]

good for u !!! :)

soon renounce anarchism tooo ! ;)

any how i invite you to join The Party of American Bolsheviks, New Political Party - PAB

:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:

[praxis1966]

Brother Malcolm X would agree with you...

Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.

Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it.

Power never takes a back step - only in the face of more power.

It doesn't mean that I advocate violence, but at the same time, I am not against using violence in self-defense. I don't call it violence when it's self-defense, I call it intelligence.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 01:23 pm
obey the law
You mean the law set up to defend the bourgeoisie?


respect everyone

How am I to respect a fascist?

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Well TAT, I'd bet my hat that most fascists were brought up that way, and are just too mentally weak to revise their position. Respect them as humans, with all the accompanying baggage. Sure they're scum, but I reckon most of them are just honestly mistaken scum.

*waits to get flamed*

-Alex

[Rollo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2006 02:02 am
Well TAT, I'd bet my hat that most fascists were brought up that way, and are just too mentally weak to revise their position. Respect them as humans, with all the accompanying baggage. Sure they're scum, but I reckon most of them are just honestly mistaken scum.

*waits to get flamed*

-Alex
No.

Also, all the bad I've said about PA I take back.

[YSR]

Me too, I guess.

Except I still don't like all the "peace" stuff in ChitChat.

[The Grey Blur]

What is all this "last ditch" bollox? We'll use violence pre-emptively, I'm not getting killed in my bed.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by Permanent [email protected] 06, 2006 04:24 pm
What is all this "last ditch" bollox? We'll use violence pre-emptively, I'm not getting killed in my bed.
Yes, we'll do that right after we set up our Thought Police.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 12:02 pm
Well TAT, I'd bet my hat that most fascists were brought up that way, and are just too mentally weak to revise their position. Respect them as humans, with all the accompanying baggage. Sure they're scum, but I reckon most of them are just honestly mistaken scum.

*waits to get flamed*

-Alex
So when they pick up arms to kill you, are we supposed to "respect" them? These people aren't "mistaken". They aren't some working class white youths who fell into the neo nazi movement because they are confused and miss guided. They are fascists because they choose to be so, like we choose to be communists.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Makaveli+November 06, 2006 07:40 pm--> (Makaveli @ November 06, 2006 07:40 pm)
Permanent [email protected] 06, 2006 04:24 pm
What is all this "last ditch" bollox? We'll use violence pre-emptively, I'm not getting killed in my bed.
Yes, we'll do that right after we set up our Thought Police. [/b]
I thought we agreed that girlfriends are the thought police? ;)

But you can't seriously think pre-emptive, targetted revolutionary violence is a bad thing , can you? :o

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by Permanent Revolution+November 06, 2006 10:00 pm--> (Permanent Revolution @ November 06, 2006 10:00 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 07:40 pm

Permanent [email protected] 06, 2006 04:24 pm
What is all this "last ditch" bollox? We'll use violence pre-emptively, I'm not getting killed in my bed.
Yes, we'll do that right after we set up our Thought Police.
I thought we agreed that girlfriends are the thought police? ;)

But you can't seriously think pre-emptive, targetted revolutionary violence is a bad thing , can you? :o [/b]
Well I certainly don't support killing members of the former bourgeoisie on "suspicion" of counter-revolutionary activity. If you have concrete evidence, that's fine. However, I am not for killing people based purely on their beliefs. If those beliefs are expressed and they in some way directly threaten the revolution, that's when we take action.

This is all purely hypothetical of course.

[ZACKist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 12:23 pm
Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it.
I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but what about women, comrade?