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Pirate Utopian
1st November 2006, 11:57
Apartheid-era SA president dies

Former South African President PW Botha has died at his home in the Cape at the age of 90 after 17 years in retirement.
He led white minority rule in 1978-89 - during the height of the anti-apartheid struggle. He subsequently said he had no regrets about the way he governed.

The ruling African National Congress, which was outlawed under Mr Botha, was among the first to offer condolences.

Mr Botha was succeeded by the country's last white President FW de Klerk who led South Africa to multi-racial polls.

Mr Botha - known by Afrikaners as the Great Crocodile - died peacefully, said a member of his security staff, Frikkie Lucas.

He had recently been admitted to hospital for a routine check-up and was then discharged.

There has been a muted response in South Africa to the death of the former president, the BBC's Peter Biles in Johannesburg says.

It is not the main story in some local morning newspapers, our correspondent says.

Mr Botha was regarded as a relic and someone stuck in a bit of a time warp, he adds.

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The African National Congress issued a brief statement saying it wished the Botha family "strength and comfort at this difficult time".

As a former president, Mr Botha will be given a state funeral, as stipulated in the South African constitution.

'No regrets'

During his rule, Mr Botha defied international criticism and refused to release Nelson Mandela, the country's most famous political prisoner.

In 1989, Mr Mandela held talks with Botha.

Not only will we survive [sanctions], we will emerge stronger on the other side

PW Botha after international sanctions imposed on SA


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Mr Mandela, who was freed in 1990, later recalled going into the meeting with Mr Botha thinking that he would see "the very model of the old-fashioned, stiff-necked, stubborn Afrikaner who did not so much discuss matters with black leaders as dictate to them".

But he said he found Mr Botha holding out his hand and smiling broadly "and in fact, from that very first moment, he completely disarmed me". However, Mr Botha refused to free Mr Mandela and other prisoners.

In the 1990s, Mr Botha was summoned to appear before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, a panel set up by then President Mandela's government to probe abuses.

The panel concluded in 1998 that Mr Botha was guilty of gross human rights violations.

Thousands were detained without trial during his presidency, while others were tortured and killed. However, he refused to apologise for apartheid.

Quiet life

Although some cosmetic reforms were introduced in 1983, allowing the Asian and mixed-race communities into parliament, Mr Botha made no headway in terms of advancing political freedom.

He imposed a state emergency in 1986 after South Africa's black majority did not accept his reforms.

Mr Botha failed to satisfy those on either side of the country's racial divide - or international opinion - and eventually resigned after a power struggle within his cabinet.

He led a quiet life with his second wife, Barbara, in the seaside village of Wilderness, about 350km (220 miles) east of Cape Town, for almost two decades.

In a interview to mark his 90th birthday, he suggested that he had no regrets about the way he ran the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6104332.stm

Demogorgon
1st November 2006, 12:04
You will have to forgive me for not mourning

RedAnarchist
1st November 2006, 12:05
Good riddance - this will help his country leave apartheid behind.

uber-liberal
1st November 2006, 12:25
Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 12:05 pm
Good riddance - this will help his country leave apartheid behind.
I hope so. I just think there will be quite some animosity for quite some time. African Americans are still angry over slavery and Jim Crow, after all. when will those crimes commited be absolutely forgiven?
A grave time of injustice tends to leave some mark on the psyche of the afflicted, carrying on in subsequent generations as an echo of hatred. Maybe the death of a relic might help them reach true understanding...

Mujer Libre
1st November 2006, 12:36
Originally posted by uber-liberal+November 01, 2006 12:25 pm--> (uber-liberal @ November 01, 2006 12:25 pm)
[email protected] 01, 2006 12:05 pm
Good riddance - this will help his country leave apartheid behind.
I hope so. I just think there will be quite some animosity for quite some time. African Americans are still angry over slavery and Jim Crow, after all. when will those crimes commited be absolutely forgiven?
A grave time of injustice tends to leave some mark on the psyche of the afflicted, carrying on in subsequent generations as an echo of hatred. Maybe the death of a relic might help them reach true understanding... [/b]
Especially when the injustice continues in the form of HUGE economic inequality... <_< That would go much further than Black South Africans spontaneously developing warm fluffy feelings for whites.

Have you ever asked why "African Americans are still angry?" Their lives are still comparatively shit. Much like Black South Africans. It&#39;s not about making up- it&#39;s about substantive equality, which is NOT going to happen without a revolution.

On topic, good riddance. The man presided over some of the most brutal crackdowns and "states of emergency" in apartheid South Africa, fucked up neighbouring countries with invading troops and has the audacity to try to claim credit for ending apartheid.

Vanguard1917
1st November 2006, 13:04
The African National Congress issued a brief statement saying it wished the Botha family "strength and comfort at this difficult time".

What a joke. And he&#39;s gonna get a state funeral. Just goes to show how depoliticised the ANC government has become.

Pirate Utopian
1st November 2006, 14:05
Nelson Mandela is crazy too, he is gonna honor this prick