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Johnny Anarcho
31st October 2006, 18:19
I was on wikipedia.org and found out that their concidering taking Che-Lives and Revolutionary Left off of their list of political websites. Everybody who loves this site and who loves this community needs to work to keep the site on wikipedia. This is our major outreach to Americas youth, we cant screw up.

RedAnarchist
31st October 2006, 18:26
America's youth? Americans only make up about 30, 40 percent of the members here (and that's probably too high an estimate).

Why are they considering doing so, when these sites are obviously political? If they take off RL/CL, they should take off Stormfront as well.

Pirate Utopian
31st October 2006, 18:34
wikipedia is counter-revolutionary

Sadena Meti
31st October 2006, 18:51
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 31, 2006 01:34 pm
wikipedia is counter-revolutionary
Most righties think wikipedia is a socialist conspiracy run by jews.

Che Lives wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che-Lives)

Pirate Utopian
31st October 2006, 19:06
wikipedia says fidel is a dictator and pat buchanan is not under white nationalists

Pirate Utopian
31st October 2006, 19:09
they dont even have a loonatics category!, can you believe it?

Sadena Meti
31st October 2006, 19:10
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 31, 2006 02:06 pm
wikipedia says fidel is a dictator and pat buchanan is not under white nationalists
Well then create an account, start editing and adding tags.

Personally I love just reading the vandalism on the articles I watch. Hilarious at times. I think the overall concept of Wikipedia is great.

Pirate Utopian
31st October 2006, 19:11
im banned from editing because i vandalised the page for Atlantic Records with a big You Suck, because im white & nerdy

Sadena Meti
31st October 2006, 19:13
Just read the Pat Robertson and White Nationalism article. It's proper that he isn't listed. He may be a white nationalist, but he's not nearly as prominent as say, Rockwell.

Sadena Meti
31st October 2006, 19:14
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 31, 2006 02:11 pm
im banned from editing because i vandalised the page for Atlantic Records with a big You Suck, because im white & nerdy
This version?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=84663622 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/w/index.php?title=Atlantic_Records&oldid=84663622)


btw, you are not banned, they just locked that article.

Pirate Utopian
31st October 2006, 19:16
nah i used several alliases, also one by y buddy named g-funkstar. now i banned his account, and i have an IP ban

Sadena Meti
31st October 2006, 19:20
It is suprising they don't have a "list of famous nutters" but they do have an article on Clinical Lycanthropy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_Lycanthropy)

I'm using that the next time I call in sick.

Sadena Meti
31st October 2006, 19:32
The key is not to explain it, just use the term, it won't be recognized. "Don't worry, I should be in by moon rise".

Patchd
31st October 2006, 19:40
It says in that article that members have been banned for opposing the CC's ideology...who exactly?

Pirate Utopian
31st October 2006, 19:45
this could be counter-revolutionary lies

Karl Marx's Camel
31st October 2006, 20:06
I was banned for pointing out that Fidel has NOT been President since 1959. I provided the admin that gave me a warning with several links proving this, including from the BBC, but after he received my links, he banned me.

colonelguppy
31st October 2006, 20:09
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 31, 2006 01:34 pm
wikipedia is counter-revolutionary
in the sense that it provides information that makes revolutionary thought look bad, then yeah.

Pirate Utopian
31st October 2006, 20:27
and that it's bias

Red October
31st October 2006, 20:38
wikipedia is my best friend on high school projects. its also great for recreation. one sunday i had nothing to do so i spent about two and a half hours looking up random junk on the star wars wiki. hooray for wookipedia!

colonelguppy
31st October 2006, 20:48
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 31, 2006 03:27 pm
and that it's bias
explain how something that is peer edited by thousands of people cna be biased

t_wolves_fan
31st October 2006, 20:54
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 31, 2006 07:06 pm
wikipedia says fidel is a dictator
Uh, he is.

Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor
31st October 2006, 21:05
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 01:06 pm
I was banned for pointing out that Fidel has NOT been President since 1959. I provided the admin that gave me a warning with several links proving this, including from the BBC, but after he received my links, he banned me.
Really? Has it since been changed and do you have the links? If so, I will change it myself.

Pirate Utopian
31st October 2006, 21:07
Originally posted by colonelguppy+October 31, 2006 09:48 pm--> (colonelguppy @ October 31, 2006 09:48 pm)
Big [email protected] 31, 2006 03:27 pm
and that it's bias
explain how something that is peer edited by thousands of people cna be biased [/b]
because any random person can put their opion in it, go to the article of the civl rights movement, it has a big warning some unbaised opions might be in it ;)

colonelguppy
31st October 2006, 21:18
Originally posted by Big Manifesto+October 31, 2006 04:07 pm--> (Big Manifesto @ October 31, 2006 04:07 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 09:48 pm

Big [email protected] 31, 2006 03:27 pm
and that it's bias
explain how something that is peer edited by thousands of people cna be biased
because any random person can put their opion in it, go to the article of the civl rights movement, it has a big warning some unbaised opions might be in it ;) [/b]
so it doesn't actually have a particular bias, just a chance for bias within certain articles.

you can genreally tell which wiki articles have been tampered with, ones that have been edited for a logn time and have ltos of sources are usually legit.

Pirate Utopian
31st October 2006, 21:23
most articles on wiki need their sources cited

Severian
1st November 2006, 00:32
Originally posted by colonelguppy+October 31, 2006 02:48 pm--> (colonelguppy @ October 31, 2006 02:48 pm)
Big [email protected] 31, 2006 03:27 pm
and that it's bias
explain how something that is peer edited by thousands of people cna be biased [/b]
Are you serious? Those thousands of people all have biases, obviously, including the people who are administrators and tend to have final say on the articles. And there's a sort of average to their biases.

Everything is biased. Critical reading is all about figuring out what the bias is.

Sources don't make anything unbiased; they may make it more truthful or at least factually accurate, but that's not the same thing. At all.

Janus
1st November 2006, 08:24
I was looking around and I haven't seen any sign of che-lives being moved off the list nor do I see why it would be done or why it is important. However, I do find it amusing that this thread is in OI.

Sadena Meti
1st November 2006, 11:35
One wiki-admin put it on the "perhaps this should be deleted list", and another wiki-admin took it off the list shortly after. So problem solved.

Lenin's Law
1st November 2006, 16:26
Originally posted by Severian+November 01, 2006 12:32 am--> (Severian @ November 01, 2006 12:32 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 02:48 pm

Big [email protected] 31, 2006 03:27 pm
and that it's bias
explain how something that is peer edited by thousands of people cna be biased
Are you serious? Those thousands of people all have biases, obviously, including the people who are administrators and tend to have final say on the articles. And there's a sort of average to their biases.

Everything is biased. Critical reading is all about figuring out what the bias is.

Sources don't make anything unbiased; they may make it more truthful or at least factually accurate, but that's not the same thing. At all. [/b]
Thanks Severian, you always seem to say what I was thinking of and about to write. ;) It is completely ludicrous and very naive to think that anything that deals with history or politics can be "unbiased" Everything is biased in some way or another; one quick example is that you cannot possibly fill the entire history of the world in a few pages, so you pick and choose which information to put in , which information to leave out, which to emphasize, which not to emphasize etc. That process in inherently biased and will always favor one point of view and one persepective (bourgeois, working class, etc) over another.

And with wikipedia in particular, the editors and administrators have final say over what stays and what goes in their website. And who generally has time to spend hours and hours pouring over different listings on their website? Not working class people.

A "few thousand people" means absolutely nothing. I can find a few thousand Nazis to edit some news-clippings and write some "history"; maybe they'll even allow some members of the general public to contribute as well, as long as they have final say over what stays in and what doesn't. Does this mean that they won't be biased? Because they have been edited by a "few thousand people?

Quite frankly, it doesn't bother me at all that wikipedia might take off a site like this from its website; this will only make it all the more obvious that wikipedia is profoundly bourgeois and anti-revolutionary. It makes it all the more necessary to create a revolutionary-wiki site which comes from a working-class and socialist perspective as opposed to a bourgeois and philistine one.

Johnny Anarcho
1st November 2006, 16:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 07:40 pm
It says in that article that members have been banned for opposing the CC's ideology...who exactly?
I was banned to the opposing ideologies board because I support Black Nationalism.

chimx
1st November 2006, 17:29
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 31, 2006 07:06 pm
wikipedia says fidel is a dictator
Uh, he is.

he is an elected official, though indirectly by national assembly.

the same used to be true for american congressmen.

personally i think it is an obstacle to the creation of a real-working democracy and direct elections would be preferable, but this hardly makes him a dictator.

colonelguppy
1st November 2006, 21:10
Originally posted by Severian+October 31, 2006 07:32 pm--> (Severian @ October 31, 2006 07:32 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 02:48 pm

Big [email protected] 31, 2006 03:27 pm
and that it's bias
explain how something that is peer edited by thousands of people cna be biased
Are you serious? Those thousands of people all have biases, obviously, including the people who are administrators and tend to have final say on the articles. And there's a sort of average to their biases.

Everything is biased. Critical reading is all about figuring out what the bias is.

Sources don't make anything unbiased; they may make it more truthful or at least factually accurate, but that's not the same thing. At all. [/b]
well the fact that the biases are contrasted with different biases help it to be accurate. i've never really been let down by wikipedia, besides the obvious site vandals which are easy to spot.

colonelguppy
1st November 2006, 21:12
Originally posted by chimx+November 01, 2006 12:29 pm--> (chimx @ November 01, 2006 12:29 pm)

Big [email protected] 31, 2006 07:06 pm
wikipedia says fidel is a dictator
Uh, he is.

he is an elected official, though indirectly by national assembly.

the same used to be true for american congressmen.

personally i think it is an obstacle to the creation of a real-working democracy and direct elections would be preferable, but this hardly makes him a dictator. [/b]
all congressmen are elected by popular vote.

also, while castro technically isn't a dictator, the system that implaces effectively gives him all the powers of one.

Pirate Utopian
1st November 2006, 21:17
Originally posted by colonelguppy+November 01, 2006 10:10 pm--> (colonelguppy @ November 01, 2006 10:10 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 07:32 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 02:48 pm

Big [email protected] 31, 2006 03:27 pm
and that it's bias
explain how something that is peer edited by thousands of people cna be biased
Are you serious? Those thousands of people all have biases, obviously, including the people who are administrators and tend to have final say on the articles. And there's a sort of average to their biases.

Everything is biased. Critical reading is all about figuring out what the bias is.

Sources don't make anything unbiased; they may make it more truthful or at least factually accurate, but that's not the same thing. At all.
well the fact that the biases are contrasted with different biases help it to be accurate. i've never really been let down by wikipedia, besides the obvious site vandals which are easy to spot. [/b]
so wrong+wrong=right? :rolleyes:

colonelguppy
1st November 2006, 21:21
Originally posted by Big Manifesto+November 01, 2006 04:17 pm--> (Big Manifesto @ November 01, 2006 04:17 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 10:10 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 07:32 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 02:48 pm

Big [email protected] 31, 2006 03:27 pm
and that it's bias
explain how something that is peer edited by thousands of people cna be biased
Are you serious? Those thousands of people all have biases, obviously, including the people who are administrators and tend to have final say on the articles. And there's a sort of average to their biases.

Everything is biased. Critical reading is all about figuring out what the bias is.

Sources don't make anything unbiased; they may make it more truthful or at least factually accurate, but that's not the same thing. At all.
well the fact that the biases are contrasted with different biases help it to be accurate. i've never really been let down by wikipedia, besides the obvious site vandals which are easy to spot.
so wrong+wrong=right? :rolleyes: [/b]
yeah thats what i said :rolleyes: . biased=/= wrong.

does anyone one have an example of why wikipedia is innaccurate that isn't an obvious case of vandalism?

Johnny Anarcho
5th November 2006, 18:55
Originally posted by chimx+November 01, 2006 05:29 pm--> (chimx @ November 01, 2006 05:29 pm)

Big [email protected] 31, 2006 07:06 pm
wikipedia says fidel is a dictator
Uh, he is.

he is an elected official, though indirectly by national assembly.

the same used to be true for american congressmen.

personally i think it is an obstacle to the creation of a real-working democracy and direct elections would be preferable, but this hardly makes him a dictator. [/b]
Although the Cuban people have a strong central government, they are very active in local and national democratic elections, especially through their union activities.

Johnny Anarcho
5th November 2006, 18:58
Originally posted by colonelguppy+November 01, 2006 09:21 pm--> (colonelguppy @ November 01, 2006 09:21 pm)
Originally posted by Big [email protected] 01, 2006 04:17 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 10:10 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 07:32 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 02:48 pm

Big [email protected] 31, 2006 03:27 pm
and that it's bias
explain how something that is peer edited by thousands of people cna be biased
Are you serious? Those thousands of people all have biases, obviously, including the people who are administrators and tend to have final say on the articles. And there's a sort of average to their biases.

Everything is biased. Critical reading is all about figuring out what the bias is.

Sources don't make anything unbiased; they may make it more truthful or at least factually accurate, but that's not the same thing. At all.
well the fact that the biases are contrasted with different biases help it to be accurate. i've never really been let down by wikipedia, besides the obvious site vandals which are easy to spot.
so wrong+wrong=right? :rolleyes:
yeah thats what i said :rolleyes: . biased=/= wrong.

does anyone one have an example of why wikipedia is innaccurate that isn't an obvious case of vandalism? [/b]
I think that generally wikipedia is pretty good. They fall victim to vandalism every now and then but other then that their facts are somewhat trustworthy. It was through them that I learned about Socialism and got where I am today.