bob marley and reggae

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

bob marley wrote rebel music in opposition to the right wing goverment in jamaica and oppresed african countries. although it was rasta not communist its the best rebel music going-reggae

[LoneRed]

ya true, theres a thread on reggae some where, that gives a list of other reggae bands as well

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 03:26 am
ya true, theres a thread on reggae some where, that gives a list of other reggae bands as well
Yup here:

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...opic=52645&st=0 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=52645&st=0)

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

I love Bob Marley :wub:

his son Damien makes some nice music too, by the way.

[Dominicana_1965]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31, 2006 06:11 pm
I love Bob Marley :wub:

his son Damien makes some nice music too, by the way.
Yep.. i think its the first song of the album of Damien Marley's Welcome to Jamrock
that speaks of revolution. its a pretty long song if i remember correctly but its hot.

[LuXe]

Wasn't Bob Marley member of the rastafari, which belived black people to be superior? (This is just as wrong as white racists, even though they are extremely outnumbered by them)

[somebodywhowantedtoleaveandnotcomeback]

I don't think rastafarians believe black people to be superior.

Jamaica is quite the racist country, but that doesn't mean rastafari is a racist religion.
I might be mistaken though, I'm not too sure.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2006 12:33 am
Wasn't Bob Marley member of the rastafari, which belived black people to be superior? (This is just as wrong as white racists, even though they are extremely outnumbered by them)
:lol:

I guess you never saw that Bob Marley music video where he's at a lil kids party singin' and all the black and white kids are playing together, smiling and laughing?

NO, he was anti-racist!!!

[Bolshevist]

I think the song "Zimbabwe" is a great example of how Marley was a revolutionary, maybe not a communist revolutionary but more closer to bourgeoisie-democratic revolution. There are of course other songs as well but I find that one to be the most obvious one, dealing with the second chimurenga.

[LuXe]

I guess you never saw that Bob Marley music video where he's at a lil kids party singin' and all the black and white kids are playing together, smiling and laughing?

NO, he was anti-racist!!!
Thats why I asked. However, he WAS a member of the rastafarians, and the DID think black people to be superior. Wether Bob belived in this himself; I dont know. But as you say, he probably didnt.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 02:33 pm
Wasn't Bob Marley member of the rastafari, which belived black people to be superior? (This is just as wrong as white racists, even though they are extremely outnumbered by them)
I'm not an expert on the subject but no rastafari is not a racist ideology.

White people tend to confuse "black pride" or "black power" as being the moral equiavlent of "white pride" and "white power". Sorry it isn't the same thing.

[Sir_No_Sir]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 02:33 pm
Wasn't Bob Marley member of the rastafari, which belived black people to be superior? (This is just as wrong as white racists, even though they are extremely outnumbered by them)

Wasn't Bob Marley member of the rastafari, which belived black people to be superior? (This is just as wrong as white racists, even though they are extremely outnumbered by them)

NONONONONO
in fact he was stridently anti-racist. He was mixed, ya know. A british soldier was his dad and a jamaican women

[Comrade_Scott]

Dude i live in jamaica and it is not that racist a country... its more a sense of lazyness and not giving a shit about what outsiders think... damn near all the jamaicans (black, white indian) get along. im not saying we dont have racists but we cerainly arent a racist country :mellow: .

[Comrade_Scott]

Also i like peter tosh a real no nonsense person and a real rebel ( he however has a sense of racism) :(

[Political_Chucky]

Rastafari is definitely not a religion based on race superiority at least not anymore. But it definitly focuses everything around blacks. I think it is a common misconception that they still have hatred for the white race because back in the day when they were first forming, it was one of their early beliefs. From what I remember of what I have read, they believe in some guy as their Jah or their god(more like in incarnation of god) and believe that Africa is their homeland. It would be kinda of weird seeing a Mexican or Irishman in the rastafari religion I think haha.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2006 10:44 pm
Rastafari is definitely not a religion based on race superiority at least not anymore. But it definitly focuses everything around blacks. I think it is a common misconception that they still have hatred for the white race because back in the day when they were first forming, it was one of their early beliefs. From what I remember of what I have read, they believe in some guy as their Jah or their god(more like in incarnation of god) and believe that Africa is their homeland. It would be kinda of weird seeing a Mexican or Irishman in the rastafari religion I think haha.
They believe their God incarnate is Emperor Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia. Doesn't sound very communist to me. Rastafarianism, like all religion is still reactionary.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by LuXe
However, he WAS a member of the rastafarians, and the DID think black people to be superior.

No, really they don't.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Read some Haile selassie speaches (ie WAR) before u judge rastafarism. i agree he was no communist but a revolutionary, Survival is a great album. I love reggae in general,Big youth, Peter Tosh, abyssinians. culture etc.

[LuXe]

Ok, maybe Im wrong.

[Black Dagger]

Bro, you're wrong, just admit it :P

Otherwise, provide some evidence as to your assertion?

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 07, 2006 04:27 pm
Bro, you're wrong, just admit it :P
He just did

[Black Dagger]

He said 'maybe' :P

[Janus]

I guess you never saw that Bob Marley music video where he's at a lil kids party singin' and all the black and white kids are playing together, smiling and laughing?
Is this love was a great song as is Iron Lion Zion.

[Janus]

Ok, maybe Im wrong.
Many early Rastas were racists but they quickly dropped that. It's obvious why Afrocentrism is such a major part of Rastafarianism as the religion was a movement among the poor i.e. blacks. However, now, people of all races are part of the movement.

Rastafarianism still remains quite a diverse and loose religion to this day due to the lack of a single voice for the whole.

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Comrade scott-Peter Tosh is gr8. I love the way he refers to the government as the shitstem. He threatens Chris Blackwell(island records owner) witha machete and demanded air play with an Uzi sub machine gun. And was really tall nd good at martial arts.
Joseph Hill of Culture gas died :( (August), prob smokd to much of (as culture out it) "the international herb", a gr8 nsong, grat band.

[IronLion]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2006 02:33 pm
Wasn't Bob Marley member of the rastafari, which belived black people to be superior? (This is just as wrong as white racists, even though they are extremely outnumbered by them)
Rastafarians are very ethnocentric. That doesn't mean to say that they feel they are superior. They just appreciate their roots. The same could be said about many Oriental groups as well as Jews. (I'm Jewish so I can speak on their/our behalf :) )

[perdido]

If you look at the movements of early mankind its not hard to believe that we all came from africa at one point or another. This is coming from a mexican by the way.

[Postteen]

Bob Marley is..................i cannot find words to discribe him. :wub: :wub:

Rastafari is certainly not a racist religion!Bob was anti-racist and his songs are as well.

rastamen however make dreadlocks for many reasons among which, not to look like the blond staight white oppressors hair!

His son Damian is fucking awesome as well and ziggy...But Damian.... :rolleyes:


Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look? Ooh!
Some say it's just a part of it:
We've got to fulfil de book.


No bullet can stop us now, we neither beg nor we won't bow;
Neither can be bought nor sold.
We all defend the right; Jah - Jah children must unite:
Your life is worth much more than gold.

We're jammin' (jammin', jammin', jammin')
And we're jammin' in the name of the Lord;
We're jammin' (jammin', jammin', jammin'),
We're jammin' right straight from Yah.


Preacherman, don't tell me,
Heaven is under the earth.
I know you don't know
What life is really worth.
It's not all that glitters is gold;
'Alf the story has never been told:
So now you see the light, eh!
Stand up for your rights. Come on!

Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don't give up the fight!
Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don't give up the fight!

Most people think,
Great God will come from the skies,
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high.
But if you know what life is worth,
You will look for yours on earth:
And now you see the light,
You stand up for your rights. Jah!


No sun will shine in my day today; (no sun will shine)
The high yellow moon won't come out to play:
(that high yellow moon won't come out to play)
I said (darkness) darkness has covered my light,
(and the stage) And the stage my day into night, yeah.
Where is the love to be found? (oo-ooh-ooh)
Won't someone tell me?
'Cause my (sweet life) life must be somewhere to be found -
(must be somewhere for me)
Instead of concrete jungle (la la-la!),
Where the living is harder (la-la!).


400 years (400 years, 400 years. Wo-o-o-o)
And it's the same -
The same (wo-o-o-o) philosophy
I've said it's four hundred years;
(400 years, 400 years. Wo-o-o-o, wo-o-o-o)
Look, how long (wo-o-o-o)
And the people they (wo-o-o-o) still can't see.
Why do they fight against the poor youth of today?
And without these youths, they would be gone -
All gone astray


Said - said - said: I remember when we used to sit
In the government yard in Trenchtown,
Oba - obaserving the 'ypocrites
As they would mingle with the good people we meet.
Good friends we have, oh, good friends we've lost
Along the way.
In this great future, you can't forget your past;
So dry your tears, I seh.

No, woman, no cry;
No, woman, no cry.
'Ere, little darlin', don't shed no tears:
No, woman, no cry.


Sheriff John Brown always hates me,
For what, I don't know:
Every time I plant a seed,
He say, "Kill them before they grow" -
He say, "Kill them before they grow", now.
And so, yeah - and so:

I shot the sheriff.
But I didn't shoot no deputy. (Oh no! Oh!)
It was I shot the sheriff,
But I (didn't shoot no deputy) -
I didn't shoot no deputy. (Oo-ooh)
No-no-no-no-no!

Freedom came my way one day
And I started out of town, yeah!
Then all of a sudden I saw sheriff John Brown,
He was aiming to shoot I down;
So I shot, yes, I shot - shot him down and I say, yeah:

and Damian from "Road to Zion"


In this world of calamity
Dirty looks and grudges and jealousy
And police weh abuse dem authority
Media clowns weh nuh know 'bout variety
Boom!

The youngest veteran a go murder dem slow
Ragga muffin sent to call me from the bush bungalow
Unnu watch mek I clear out my voice now Figaro!
Emerge from the darkness with mi big blunt a glow
Mi hammer dem a slam and spectator get low
Some bwoy coulda big like Bam Bam Biggalow
Bust of trigger finger, trigger hand and trigger toe
A two gun mi have mi bust dem inna stereo
Cause

[Hook]
I got to keep on walking on the road to Zion, man
We gots to keeps it burning on the road to Zion, man

[Chorus 1]
Clean and pure meditation without a doubt
Don't mek dem take you like who dem took out
Jah will be waiting there we a shout
Jah will be waiting there!
In this world of calamity
Dirty looks and grudges and jealousy
And police weh abuse dem authority
Media clowns weh nuh know bout variety
Single parents weh need some charity
Youths weh need some love and prosperity
Instead of broken dreams and tragedy
By any plan and any means and strategy

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Bob is a legend....I love Get up Stand Up!!!Has anyone heard Confrontation by Damian on welckom to Jamrock album