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Leo
30th October 2006, 18:01
Introduction by the EKS (Enternasyonalist Komünist Sol - Internationalist Communist Left)

The positions of the EKS are basic points of adherence. They were written very quickly with a view of moving from being a group who came together to make, and distribute, leaflets for specific demonstrations to moving towards being a political group, and as such they are open to change in the future. They take a stand on what we see as the four basic positions that revolutionaries hold today:

1) The rejection of parliamentarianism, and social democracy.

2) The rejection of Trade Unionism.

3) The rejection of all forms of nationalism, and the defence of internationalism.

4) Communist struggle, and the nature of communism.

They do not define us as either a ‘Marxist’, or an ‘anarchist’ group. While most of our members consider themselves to be communists, we do not discount common work in the same political organisation as anarchists who adhere to the basic working class positions. We feel that in the present situation in Turkey, where virtually nobody holds revolutionary positions, it would be a huge mistake to exclude people, who basically hold the same positions as us today, on the basis of historical arguments about things that happened in the earlier part of the last century. That does not mean, however, that these are issues that we do not discuss, and that we are not trying to develop greater clarity on them.

Basic Principles of the Enternasyonalist Komünist Sol

1) The rejection of parliamentarianism, and social democracy.

The idea that the existing order can be changed through parliamentary or democratic means is the main obstacle that the workers’ movement is confronted with at every step. While this illusion is consciously created by the dominant class, it is also defended and proposed as a solution by the leftist groups, who are unable to grasp the class nature of parliament, which is based on the idea that the working class have a stake in the nation, but in reality, it is no more than a circus that tries to impose the idea that a class based movement is both meaningless, and useless, in order to mobilize the proletariat behind the interests of the bourgeoisie. Social democracy also doesn’t refrain from taking part in that circus itself. Social democracy, which defends the ideology of democratic rights and liberties, and the change of the existing equilibrium in favour of the working class by means of reforms, which are no longer possible under capitalism, is because of its position a tool to create a middle point between the dominant class, and the working class, which defends the interests of the bourgeoisie. While social democracy does not constitute an obstacle to the dominant class, it is anti-working class, and takes a counter revolutionary position in times that proletarian movements arise, and constitutes a collaborative ideology of the class enemy on behalf of the bourgeoisie.

2) The rejection of trade unionism

Just like parliament, unions also organise the workers as a part of capital. Moreover because of their position in the heart of the working class, they constitute the first obstacle to the proletariat’s struggle. When the working class seems to be passive, and its struggle in the face of capital is not clear, radicalised or generalised, the unions organise the working class as variable capital, and as wage slaves, as well as generalise the illusion that there are both honourable and just ways to live in this way. Not only are the unions incapable of undertaking revolutionary action but also they are incapable of defending worker’s basic living conditions in the here and now. This is the main reason that the unions use bourgeois, pacifist, chauvinist, and statist tactics. When the working class movement radicalises, and develops, the unions put democratic, and revolutionary slogans forward, and in this way try to manipulate the movement, as if the interests of the working class is not emancipation from wage labour itself, but in continuing it in different forms. The methods of base unionism and self-management are used in different places and situations, resulting in no more than the workers’ own voluntary acceptance of the domination of capital. In reality the only thing that the unions do is to divide workers into different sectional groups, and pull their class interests as a whole behind social democratic slogans.

3) The rejection of all forms of nationalism, and the defence of internationalism

Nationalism is a basic slogan used by the bourgeoisie to organise the working class in capitalist interests. The claim that, independent from their class position, every member of a nation is on the same boat, only serves to destroy the revolutionary potential of the working class by joining two antagonistic classes on an ideological level. Starting form this premise, it comes to say that every person has to work for ‘his or her’ own nation, own capitalist class, and the struggle for their own class interests would result in the sinking of the boat. Unlike the whole left’s claims in the case of both Turkish and Kurdish nationalisms, they have no different characteristics.

The basic reality denied by people who talk about national liberation struggles against imperialism is that the characteristic of the struggle of the working class for liberation is above nations. The liberation of the working class can only be achieved by raising the flag of class struggle against every kind of national liberation struggle, demagogy, and imperialist war. Today people who talk about a ‘national front’ against imperialists, and national independence, are in a race with liberals, whom they think that they oppose, to deny class contradictions. Kurdish nationalism, the so-called opponent of Turkish nationalism, which it also feeds upon, realises the complete separation of the working class by performing the same role as Turkish nationalism for the workers in its own region.

4) Communist struggle, and the nature of communism

Communism is not a beautiful utopia that someday can be reached, nor a theory that’s necessity is scientifically proven, but it is the struggle of workers for their own interests as a movement. In that sense, communism has no relation to the leftist’s definition of it. It is rather born out of the workers’ struggle for their daily interests, and an expression of their need for emancipation from wage labour, capital, and the state. Due to that, it is denial of all the separations between intellectuals and workers, absolute goals, and daily interests, ‘trade union’ consciousness and ‘socialist consciousness’, and aims and means. Whenever workers start to struggle for their own interests autonomously from the unions and self-proclaimed workers’ parties, then communism flowers inside the struggle. In the same way the communist organisation is formed organically inside this struggle, and is born from the international union of the most radical, and determined minorities’ interventions in the class struggle, which express the antagonism between workers and capital.

Leo
30th October 2006, 18:03
I couldn't decide which forum to put it, after all it was about practice but the contents of the text had theory in it so I decided to put it in Theory. Any admin is free to move it.

which doctor
30th October 2006, 22:46
I have a question.

What does the EKS aspire to be? A movement of the working-class? A tool for proletarian agitation?

Leo
30th October 2006, 22:59
What does the EKS aspire to be? A movement of the working-class? A tool for proletarian agitation?

First, I should tell you what we don't aspire to be. We don't aspire to represent the working class. We don't aspire to act on the behalf of the working class. We don't aspire to take authority ourselves. We don't aspire to lead the workers. We don't aspire to become "a movement of the working-class" ourselves without the working class. We don't aspire to be creators of class struggle. We are a left communist proletarian organization. First of all we aspire to defend internationalist and proletarian positions: the positions which, as proletarians, we think would turn out to be the best practical sollutions for the workers immidiate needs and for the communist future. Our true role would be defending communist positions during periods of class struggle, when mass assemblies of workers and eventually workers councils are developing. As for the times when class struggle is at a low level, we focus our work on rising class consciousness despite our limited resources and numbers. I hope I was clear enough :)

chimx
31st October 2006, 17:15
i replied to this elsewhere. ;-)

Leo
31st October 2006, 21:30
i replied to this elsewhere. ;-)

Yes you did :)

The Grey Blur
19th November 2006, 22:14
Rejection of trade-unionism is ultra-leftism, it cuts you off from massive parts of the proleteriat.

And yes, I realise you take ultra-leftism as a compliment, I meant it as a critiscism. ;)

Leo
19th November 2006, 22:24
And yes, I realise you take ultra-leftism as a compliment,

Yeah, it's good that you realize that :)


it cuts you off from massive parts of the proleteriat

Baseless... Unionized workers (not union leadership) are the ones who we talk to the most, and you they mostly agree with us. Every worker who has been in workers struggles is at least angry at the union leadership, if not the concept itself because unions always sell out. Besides, we are the only political group that actually tries to connect with workers here. Rest of the left isn't interested and doesn't have any ties with them at all.

The Grey Blur
19th November 2006, 22:37
Yet most workers are unionised, and trade-unionism doesn't mean you don't concentrate on nonunionised workers and you can struggle from within a union to radicalise the rank-and-file and eject the beurocrats. Standing outside shouting won't do anything.


Rest of the left isn't interested and doesn't have any ties with them at all.

http://www.lsp-mas.be/militan/

Can't read a fecking word of it but this is an organised left group in Turkey who clearly have links with the working class and who have a viable program as opposed to your desirable but unrealistic ideas.

Leo
19th November 2006, 22:47
Can't read a fecking word of it but this is an organised left group in Turkey who clearly have links with the working class and who have a viable program as opposed to your desirable but unrealistic ideas.

Links to the working class? They are a tiny little Trotskyist group which is unknown even among the Trotskyist circles in Turkey, probably because they are made up of two exiled Turkish leftists in Belgium (see the address they gave for communication) :rolleyes:


Yet most workers are unionised, and trade-unionism doesn't mean you don't concentrate on nonunionised workers

Did you even read what I wrote, lad?


Originally posted by Leo
Unionized workers are the ones who we talk to the most, and you they mostly agree with us.

Besides, most workers are in fact non-unionized in the majority of the world, including Turkey.

The Grey Blur
19th November 2006, 23:45
And the Bolsheviks were a small grouping with a majority of it's leader in exile...

The truth is your group will gain no support if you stand outside organised labour, this has been proven by the lack of support for 'Left Communism' since the era of the Spanish Civil War


Did you even read what I wrote, lad?
Not really, no :lol:

which doctor
20th November 2006, 00:50
And the Bolsheviks were a small grouping with a majority of it's leader in exile...
Yeah, and they just became another ruling class. Not much of a victory of the workers.


this has been proven by the lack of support for 'Left Communism' since the era of the Spanish Civil War
Well, it looks like you aren't in such a good shape either. There's been a lack of support for genuine Marxism since, well, it's been quite a while :lol:


The truth is your group will gain no support if you stand outside organised labour
I don't know about Ireland but most workers in the United States are unorganized, and union memberships are on the decline. It looks like it's going to stay that way for a while. Unions are more bourgeois than proletarian anyways, they shouldn't be something we support. There was a time when they were radical, but know they be pumpin' they money into the Democratic Party and selling out the workers. They are little more than capitalist steam vents for when things get out of hand with the workers.

Entrails Konfetti
20th November 2006, 04:06
From point 4:

Whenever workers start to struggle for their own interests autonomously from the unions and self-proclaimed workers’ parties, then communism flowers inside the struggle.

How exactly does Communism flower, if workers are just asking for better living conditions they aren't exactly seizing power.

Sure they could be met with a nasty response from the state when they demand living wages, and it might get so bad they have to seize power themselves.

What if they aren't met with tyranical responses-- then what?
It seems today the ruling classes know better than to easily dispatch the National Guard on the workers, instead they say " Oh okay, we'll think about it", and it's something they intentionally put off.

Leo
20th November 2006, 07:19
And the Bolsheviks were a small grouping with a majority of it's leader in exile...

You know, it was only their leadership which was exiled. The did have an organization in Russia.


The truth is your group will gain no support if you stand outside organised labour, this has been proven by the lack of support for 'Left Communism' since the era of the Spanish Civil War

:lol: You gotta do better than that, lad. In late forties and fifties, there was a massive left communist organization (ICP). In the sixties, massive general strikes in France and Italy were influenced by left communism, etc. etc. And for the last time, we talk with unionized workers and they agree with us, because the union leadership is shit, and has to be shit because of the union structure.

As for Trotskyists, they never gained support anywhere, at all.


Not really, no

Maybe it is time to do so, because you're embarrassing yourself.


How exactly does Communism flower, if workers are just asking for better living conditions they aren't exactly seizing power.

It depends on the level of the crisis, of course. Behind every strike, there is "the scepter of communism". From the strike; mass assemblies open to all workers are born, from mass assemblies; workers councils. Next step is the seizure of power at this point.

Marsella
31st March 2008, 14:34
2) The rejection of trade unionism

Just like parliament, unions also organise the workers as a part of capital. Moreover because of their position in the heart of the working class, they constitute the first obstacle to the proletariat’s struggle. When the working class seems to be passive, and its struggle in the face of capital is not clear, radicalised or generalised, the unions organise the working class as variable capital, and as wage slaves, as well as generalise the illusion that there are both honourable and just ways to live in this way. Not only are the unions incapable of undertaking revolutionary action but also they are incapable of defending worker’s basic living conditions in the here and now. This is the main reason that the unions use bourgeois, pacifist, chauvinist, and statist tactics. When the working class movement radicalises, and develops, the unions put democratic, and revolutionary slogans forward, and in this way try to manipulate the movement, as if the interests of the working class is not emancipation from wage labour itself, but in continuing it in different forms. The methods of base unionism and self-management are used in different places and situations, resulting in no more than the workers’ own voluntary acceptance of the domination of capital. In reality the only thing that the unions do is to divide workers into different sectional groups, and pull their class interests as a whole behind social democratic slogans.

Are not unionised workers paid higher?

What is the Left Communist alternative? 'Groups' of non-unionised workers? They have such a bargaining tool in Australia - Employee Collective Agreements. Or do Left Communists simply recognise that no organisation is capable of retaining basic standards in capitalism?


Baseless... Unionized workers (not union leadership) are the ones who we talk to the most, and you they mostly agree with us. Every worker who has been in workers struggles is at least angry at the union leadership, if not the concept itself because unions always sell out. Besides, we are the only political group that actually tries to connect with workers here. Rest of the left isn't interested and doesn't have any ties with them at all.

Very true. I used to whole heartedly support unions until I joined one, then I realised that it was about as useful as joining my local tennis club. In fact, my local tennis club weren't collaborating with bosses. :(

Random Precision
31st March 2008, 20:52
:lol: You gotta do better than that, lad. In late forties and fifties, there was a massive left communist organization (ICP). In the sixties, massive general strikes in France and Italy were influenced by left communism, etc. etc. And for the last time, we talk with unionized workers and they agree with us, because the union leadership is shit, and has to be shit because of the union structure.

As for Trotskyists, they never gained support anywhere, at all.

Vietnam, Sri Lanka, and Bolivia might beg to differ.

Devrim
31st March 2008, 21:00
This is a bit of an old thread.

Vietnam, Sri Lanka, and Bolivia might beg to differ.

I don't know about Bolivia, but they weren't that strong in Vietnam before the Stalinists wiped them out. I would be quite about Sri Lanka if I were you. It is true that the Trotskyists developed their only real mass part there, but I believe that it also joined the government, and was involved in putting down the 1971 insurection at a cost of about 15,000 lives.

Devrim

chimx
1st April 2008, 01:51
You gotta do better than that, lad. In late forties and fifties, there was a massive left communist organization (ICP). In the sixties, massive general strikes in France and Italy were influenced by left communism, etc. etc. And for the last time, we talk with unionized workers and they agree with us, because the union leadership is shit, and has to be shit because of the union structure.

As for Trotskyists, they never gained support anywhere, at all.

Leo: what do you think about entryism in terms of trade unionism and the left communist critique thereof? It has certainly had some success in the United States.

Leo
1st April 2008, 09:13
Leo: what do you think about entryism in terms of trade unionism and the left communist critique thereof?

I don't think any revolutionary work can be conducted within the trade unions. Obviously, we are not calling now for workers to leave the trade unions in mass, but we don't see them as places fit for revolutionary activity, as they are foundations belonging only to the ruling class. We see them as foundations that's roles are dividing the working class and controlling it for the bourgeoisie. This doesn't mean that we don't talk to, discuss with or if possible even go to the meetings of unionized workers. Also, obviously we won't object to a militant who joins a trade union because his workplace is a closed shop or because it has obvious wage benefits, of course we emphasize that it is a practical, not a political decision.


It has certainly had some success in the United States.

I don't know that much about trade unionism in the US, but with the whole "business unionism" thing and all, I mean entryism into AFL-CIO for revolutionary work seems like a really ridiculous idea.

chimx
2nd April 2008, 03:11
I don't know that much about trade unionism in the US, but with the whole "business unionism" thing and all, I mean entryism into AFL-CIO for revolutionary work seems like a really ridiculous idea.

The 1934 Minneapolis General Strike was initiated by the Teamsters, and was really led by Trotskyist rank-and-file workers that had gained credibility inside the union. It played a huge role in unionizing the US, as did the 1934 Longshoreman Strike. I'm wouldn't necessarily go so far as to say it was a "revolutionary situation", but it was damn close at least for the region.

Entryism played a large part in these general strikes. Would you argue that these general strikes had a negative impact on American class consciousness because they occurred within the confines of a trade union?

IronColumn
2nd April 2008, 04:34
Mass strikes like in Minneapolis 1934 are good for class consciousness. What is bad is when these struggles are mediated by Trotskyist (or Stalinist, Maoist, Socialist etc.) or union bureaucrats. These groups inevitably lead the workers into a dead end-for example AFL-CIO anti-strike practices in WW2. You look at things ahistorically, instead of seeing that the militancy of 1934 and the mass entry into the unions is part of the same process that lead to a Sacred Union in 1941, and is also part of the pitiful state of the AFL-CIO today. This process is the recuperation of radical worker struggles, trying to prevent the emergence of workers councils.

chimx
2nd April 2008, 06:20
what?

You attack me for ahistoricism, and then say that Midwestern US unionization in 1934 lead to French workers not striking in 1941? You can't say that this is cause and effect without substantiating this. Writing off the struggles of American workers as bourgeois recuperation is entirely unfair and downright ignorant.