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BreadBros
27th October 2006, 21:10
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6090136.stm


Originally posted by "BBC"+--> ("BBC")
Australia Muslim cleric suspended

Australia's top Muslim cleric has been barred from preaching for up to three months, after comparing immodestly dressed women to "uncovered meat".

Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilali's comments, suggesting that women who did not wear a headscarf attracted sexual assault, have caused a storm of protest.

Sydney's mosque association said the suspension would give the cleric time to consider the impact of his words.

But Australian Premier John Howard said the action was insufficient.

Many people - including some Muslim leaders - have called for the cleric to be dismissed from office.

Sheikh Hilali sparked more controversy on Friday when, asked by reporters if he would resign, he responded: "After we clean the world of the White House first."

His comments, made outside his mosque in Sydney after Friday prayers, prompted a round of applause from supporters.

Apology

Sheikh Hilali's comments about women's dress were delivered in a sermon to some 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

But it was not until they were published in The Australian newspaper on Thursday that a wave of anger was unleashed.

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside... and the cats come and eat it... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?" Sheikh Hilali is quoted as asking during the sermon.

The uncovered meat is the problem, he went on to say.

"If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab [headscarf], no problem would have occurred," he added.

Sheikh Hilali has since apologised for his comments, which he said had been misinterpreted and taken out of context.

"I unreservedly apologise to any woman who is offended by my comments. I had only intended to protect women's honour," he said in a statement published in The Australian.

"Women in our Australian society have the freedom and the right to dress as they choose," he added.

Muslim leaders decided to accept his apology and said that no action would be taken against the cleric.

Mosque Association president Tom Zreika said the board was "basically satisfied with the notion that certain statements made by the mufti [were] misrepresented".

"We felt the three months away would give him time to mull over what's been said," Mr Zreika told reporters.

But many other Australians feel more action should be taken against Sheikh Hilali.

"I believe that unless this matter is satisfactorily resolved by the Islamic community, there is a real worry that some lasting damage will be done," Prime Minister John Howard told Australian radio.

"I think what he's done is so unacceptable and so out of line with not only mainstream Australian opinion but... mainstream Muslim opinion."

"I know how strongly many Islamic community people felt about those comments yesterday, how damaging they saw them in terms of Australian-Islamic relations," added Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward.

"I think the pressure should not be taken off just because he has agreed to be silent for three months."

Sheikh Hilali has courted controversy in the past, claiming in a 2004 sermon that the September 2001 attacks in the US had been "God's work against oppressors". [/b]


"BBC"
SHEIKH TAJ EL-DIN AL-HILALI
Born in Egypt
Aged 64
Imam in Sydney
Appointed mufti of Australia in 1989

edit: bold added by me, BreadBros

Severian
27th October 2006, 23:25
Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 02:10 pm
Sheikh Hilali has since apologised for his comments, which he said had been misinterpreted and taken out of context.

"I unreservedly apologise to any woman who is offended by my comments. I had only intended to protect women's honour," he said in a statement published in The Australian.
That's a non-apology, actually. He's sorry people were offended, not that he made these comments.

Ironically similar to the pope's non-apology over his controversial comments about Islam. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=56284)

It's positive, certainly, that many people, including many Muslims, (http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idarticle=6306) are outraged over this sheikh's comments. A number of Muslim groups and individuals have called for his resignation.

And nothing was misconstrued about these statements. That's a standard dodge this guy uses repeatedly, according to the second link there.

Comrade J
28th October 2006, 14:49
Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 08:10 pm
"I know how strongly many Islamic community people felt about those comments yesterday, how damaging they saw them in terms of Australian-Islamic relations," added Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward.
Australian-Islamic relations? Sounds like he's trying to say an Australian cannot be a muslim, distancing his country from the religion, despite the fact there are obviously muslims living there.

Mujer Libre
29th October 2006, 12:13
Wow, that's paternalistic- protecting womens honour... And women as "meat." And Severian, Hilali fancies himself a politician, so of course he didn't apologise. :P We all know pollies are incapable of that.


Originally posted by Comrade J
Australian-Islamic relations? Sounds like he's trying to say an Australian cannot be a muslim, distancing his country from the religion, despite the fact there are obviously muslims living there.

That wasn't him, that was the Sex Discrimination Commissioner... Which is ironic because she does seem to be fostering that "regular Australians (meaning Anglos) versus Muslims (more because of race than religion)" tension that keeps coming up, especially out of John Howard's mouth...

Black Dagger
29th October 2006, 13:53
I tell you what has pissed me off most about this whole scandal, after all Hilaly was a known reactionary prior to these comments, it's fuckin' Keysar Trad :angry:

The dude frequently speaks at leftist events, mainly ones that deal with US or Israeli imperialism, state crack-downs on civil liberties etc., but nevertheless he'd established a level of respect precisely because he spoke about 'politics' and not religion, he came out strongly against the howard government (work choices/IR Laws etc) and neo-liberalism in oz and around the world, but where has he landed in this debate? At the side of Hilaly!!!!

Yesterday he compared Hilaly to jesus, talkin about how 'in his time' Christ was persecuted etc. for wanting to change society etc.

...

Trad, what the fuck are you talking about?

Misogynists SHOULD be 'persecuted'!

Zero respect for Trad, if i ever see him at demo or anything again i'm gonna heckle the fuck out of him, then again i really hope i dont see him at a demo again, because the guy is no kind of 'leftist' or ally.

Found this as well,



A close associate of the sheik, Keysar Trad, says the speech was about adultery, not rape.

"He wasn't talking about rape in any way," Mr Trad said.

"He wasn't talking about standard norms of dress in Australia or any country, he wasn't talking about the hijab, he was talking about people who engage in extramarital sex."




Just an aside, the Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward is a complete fuckin dunce as well, she thinks the Sheik should be deported, guess she just assumed that coz he has a 'foreign' name he's not a citizen or anything :rolleyes:



But the Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner and New South Wales Liberal Party candidate, Pru Goward, does not believe the sheikh can backtrack over his comments.

She says he could be guilty of incitement to the crime of rape and should be deported.

"On that basis he can, if his visa arrangements are appropriate, be deported," Ms Goward said.

He can't be deported you dolt, he's a citizen!

Invader Zim
29th October 2006, 15:10
Sexism within the religious hierarchy; who would have thought it? :rolleyes:

Severian
29th October 2006, 19:17
Originally posted by Black [email protected] 29, 2006 07:53 am
I tell you what has pissed me off most about this whole scandal, after all Hilaly was a known reactionary prior to these comments, it's fuckin' Keysar Trad :angry:
He's got a whole history of making excuses for Hilaly, falsely claiming Hilaly didn't say that, etc. Similar to what he's been doing in this case - according to one of the articles I saw on this earlier. Can't find it again right now.

It may be right sometimes to have united action with Islamists against wars, etc....but certainly not to have any illusions in them.

They may well be against "neo-liberalism" and all kinds of things, but what are they for?


He can't be deported you dolt, he's a citizen!

I might add that even if Hilaly wasn't a citizen, nobody should be deported for their political opinions, no more than they should be jailed for 'em.

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A bizarre theme in the international reaction:
The sound of moderate Islam's silence (http://www.robertfulford.com/2004-03-06-moderate.html)

Now of course this is total BS. Hilaly's been rejected strongly by a lot of Muslims, especially Muslim women. (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20666234-2,00.html) Also suspended from preaching for 3 months, disinvited from Eid festivals recently. Many have called for his resignation, and there may be some kind of Muslim conference to discuss firing him.

So this is a useful example. No matter what the reality is, this kind of Islamophobe will always pretend no Muslims are opposing the fundamentalists.

Keyser
12th November 2006, 11:24
Hilaly is just another religious fascist.

Christian fascism, Islamic fascism = same fucking difference.

Sad to see some 'leftists' in Australia defending him, but it just shows that without any class analysis, anti-imperialism or opposing the actions of the US government's foreign policy can turn reactionary, especially when dealing with Islamists, who should never be approached by any leftist nor should they be given any form of support, they are the class enemy as much as any other part of the capitalist system.

Severian
12th November 2006, 23:37
Which leftists have been defending him?