The truth about the IRS

[reaper68]

Learn the truth about the IRS and the federal reserve by watching director Aron Russo's latest film America From Freedom to Facism by clicking the link below

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...edom+to+Fascism (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=America+Freedom+to+Fascism)

[MrDoom]

Oh noez! Vote Dem!

[BreadBros]

I certainly dont care for the income tax and I hate the authoritarian government, however, Aaron Russo is a right-wing libertarian who is not only anti-immigrant but also constantly attempts to make the claim that the authoritarians in power in the US are "communists" or leftists of some sort. So, dont expect to find too many takers on watching that doc here...

[reaper68]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 05:35 pm
I certainly dont care for the income tax and I hate the authoritarian government, however, Aaron Russo is a right-wing libertarian who is not only anti-immigrant but also constantly attempts to make the claim that the authoritarians in power in the US are "communists" or leftists of some sort. So, dont expect to find too many takers on watching that doc here...
Well techically bush is a communist. He's doubled the sized of the BATF and used regulations to go after gun manufacters. He's doubled the size of the federal government. He's even spent more money than all other president's combined! Now how conservative does that sound to you. Just because he's a republican doesn't mean that he is a conserative. Now don't get me wrong I don't like either party. They're both run by complete crimminals. But if you really look at what Bush has done since he's been in office he's about as libral as it gets. Oh and by the way the income tax does not go to pay for any public services. It goes to pay off the debt we owe to the federal reserve. If you don't believe me I suggest you read the grace commision report page 4 paragraph 9 by clicking here (http://www.worldnewsstand.net/1/gracerpt.pdf)

[Tatarin]

Well techically bush is a communist.

Maybe you haven't noticed that this is a communist forum? You really need to read on what communism really is, not what Aaron Russo claims it to be.


Just because he's a republican doesn't mean that he is a conserative.

Conservatism is bad, yes, but that doesn't mean that we should turn to liberal policies. Liberalism is a self-destructing idea because it allows capitalism to be free in such a way that in the end there will only be one corporation left that owns everything. In other words, it will end up in a totalitarian society in any way.


Now don't get me wrong I don't like either party. They're both run by complete crimminals.

And capitalism creates them.


Oh and by the way the income tax does not go to pay for any public services. It goes to pay off the debt we owe to the federal reserve.

So what if we somehow stop this cabal? A new one will emerge again, and again and again - so long capitalism exists, this will happen.

[reaper68]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 09:35 pm

Well techically bush is a communist.

Maybe you haven't noticed that this is a communist forum? You really need to read on what communism really is, not what Aaron Russo claims it to be.


Just because he's a republican doesn't mean that he is a conserative.

Conservatism is bad, yes, but that doesn't mean that we should turn to liberal policies. Liberalism is a self-destructing idea because it allows capitalism to be free in such a way that in the end there will only be one corporation left that owns everything. In other words, it will end up in a totalitarian society in any way.


Now don't get me wrong I don't like either party. They're both run by complete crimminals.

And capitalism creates them.


Oh and by the way the income tax does not go to pay for any public services. It goes to pay off the debt we owe to the federal reserve.

So what if we somehow stop this cabal? A new one will emerge again, and again and again - so long capitalism exists, this will happen.
Yes I'm aware this is a communist forum. I'm also aware that the bankers that own the federal reserve invented communism because they knew that the people would rebel against the system they were setting up.

Let's examine the ten planks of the communist manifesto and see how they apply to america today.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

By every definition America is a communist country.

So why do the elite want communism. Because it's a centralized system with no seperation of powers. In a communist country the government controls everything which makes it easier to put a dictator in power and to enslave the people

[BreadBros]

Well techically bush is a communist.

Communism is a stateless, classless society. The fact that Bush is the president of a capitalist nation means that it is impossible for him to be a Communist.


He's doubled the sized of the BATF and used regulations to go after gun manufacters. He's doubled the size of the federal government. He's even spent more money than all other president's combined!

So? Maybe in your deluded mind increasing governmental departments or going after gun rights is somehow congruent with communism, but as you may notice, this is a Communist/Anarchist forum you are posting on, and no one here is advocating anything like that. That is some form of liberal reformism, which communists reject.


Now how conservative does that sound to you. Just because he's a republican doesn't mean that he is a conserative.

Fairly. Hes supporting the continued existence of the current economic and social system, that is conservative. He has also used his reforms to increase the authoritarian nature of the government, traditionally a right-wing trait. Just because modern-day paleoconservatives are attempting to seperate themselves from the heritage of the right-wing doesnt mean you can. Sure, after Barry Goldwater the American right-wing increasingly took a more libertarian line, that doesnt escape the fact that traditionally conservatism has been strongly in favor of the state and of authoritarianism.


Now don't get me wrong I don't like either party. They're both run by complete crimminals. But if you really look at what Bush has done since he's been in office he's about as libral as it gets.

Is that why he opposes some core Liberal social reforms, like legalization of gay marriage, social welfare programs, etc?


Oh and by the way the income tax does not go to pay for any public services. It goes to pay off the debt we owe to the federal reserve. If you don't believe me I suggest you read the grace commision report page 4 paragraph 9 by clicking here (http://www.worldnewsstand.net/1/gracerpt.pdf)

You could stand to do some research or gain some basic reading skills. The article you pointed to does not state 100% of federal income taxes go to the Federal Reserve, it states that 100% of income tax revenue goes to pay off the Federal debt. The federal debt is the amount of money that the federal government owes through federal debt instruments to creditors. In fact most of this debt is accumulated in the process of paying pensions and funding infrastructure, which most assuredly is a public service. If what you are stating is that they are paying off back-loans, then yes, thats generally how crediting systems work. Saying that none of it goes to pay for public services not only makes no sense but is falsifiable. More importantly, the government purposefully does not pay off the debt in whole. Paying off debt reduces money supply and incurs recessions. The reason the US has been an economic powerhouse for so long is that it pursues expansionist policies, it borrows and spends in order to fund economic growth so that GDP will expand faster than the debt.

[MrDoom]

Yes I'm aware this is a communist forum. I'm also aware that the bankers that own the federal reserve invented communism because they knew that the people would rebel against the system they were setting up.
Ever hear of a man named Karl Marx?


Let's examine the ten planks of the communist manifesto and see how they apply to america today.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)
The key word is abolition, not "slight intervention".


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".
I wouldn't word it that way, but that is true.


3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.
Again, the word is "abolition".


4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).
Irrelevant.


5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.
If it's privately-owned, then it's not centralized in the hands of the proletarian state, now is it?


6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.
And? Who controls these? The workers?

You DO know that socialism is control by the WORKERS, right?


7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.
Controlled by the bourgeois state, not the proletarian one.


8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.
China is capitalist, you fucking idiot.


9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.
You began about one thing (Marx's Ninth Point(, then gave a stream of useless numbers, talking about something else.


10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.
Aren't cappies like you supposed to be restricted?


By every definition America is a communist country.
America is a communist country by no definition, and a bourgeois state by every.


So why do the elite want communism. Because it's a centralized system with no seperation of powers. In a communist country the government controls everything which makes it easier to put a dictator in power and to enslave the people
Why is this guy allowed to post outside of OI? Besides having no understanding of communism (not cause for restriction), he spouts the same crap as the OI scum.

[BreadBros]

Yes I'm aware this is a communist forum. I'm also aware that the bankers that own the federal reserve invented communism because they knew that the people would rebel against the system they were setting up.


The Federal Reserve was created by federal legislation in 1913, Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1848, down below you argue that the creation of the Federal Reserve is a communist act, so which is it? Did evil bankers (Jewish ones nonetheless, Im assuming, judging by your reiteration of old pseudo-history) establish communism, or did communism establish evil bankers?



By every definition America is a communist country.

Except for the fact that "communist country" is an oxymoron. Marx gives a definite definition for communism, it is a stateless, classless society. "Communist country" is like saying "legal citizen illegal immigrant" or "dead alive person", its inherently contradictory by definition. Furthermore, if you care to comment on Marx you should actually read what he wrote instead of taking all of your knowledge from a poor documentary. Marx never said "the ten planks" as you put it constituted communism, he said these were practical demands that socialist groups in 1800s Germany could demand that would be progressive, he never stated that institutiing this would in any way construe communism.


So why do the elite want communism. Because it's a centralized system with no seperation of powers. In a communist country the government controls everything which makes it easier to put a dictator in power and to enslave the people

Sorry to say this, but you are pretty moronic. Have you ever read anything about Marx? Communism is a completely decentralized system with no powers in existence. In a communist society there is no government at all. I know thats hard to accept since it doesnt fit into your worldview, but maybe if you took the time to read you would realize that you sound extremely foolish. You are essentially mouthing off pseudo-historical ideas based on complete misinformation. You and Aaron Russo's ideas arent novel at all, the idea of an international Jewish banking cabal that seeks world control through usury/banking systems and that has invented Marxism is very old, and its telling that Aaron Russo (who has eliminated the Jewish aspect of this conspiracy theory) is reiterating this trash.

Ultimately most of these conspiracy theories are what the petty-bourgeoisie turns to in times like these when they are getting screwed by the bourgeoisie. Traditionally allied, it now benefits the bourgeois to expand into international markets, to systematically grow economic output, and to increasingly curb liberties. Of course that completely fucks over their little brothers the petty-bourgouisie which sends them into fits claiming that the "rules of the game" have been misapplied or some such claim. Of course this falls on deaf ears because most of the world is capable of understanding that whatever laws or rules you claim to uphold are merely words on paper, all that really matters is what class is in power of a society and how they pursue their ends in determining societal structure. Hate to break this to you, but the bourgeoisie is destroying your class, just as Marx predicted, and theirs not much you can do about it.

[MrDoom]

In a communist society there is no government at all.
There is government, for purposes of organization and coordination. There is no state, however.

[BreadBros]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2006 11:42 pm

In a communist society there is no government at all.
There is government, for purposes of organization and coordination. There is no state, however.
Thats more or less what I meant. I meant that there is no government as we know it now, but rather horizontal organization of people to accomplish things.

[Tatarin]

I'm also aware that the bankers that own the federal reserve invented communism because they knew that the people would rebel against the system they were setting up.

That is illogical. If they have so much power, then how come they let the Soviet Union, the largest "communist entity" in history, collapsed? How come they let China, Vietnam and Laos ease their governmental grip on business (just look at Hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai etc)? If "communism" really was so beneficial to them, then why did it fall so easily? After all, only some persons had to be rearranged or killed, and the USSR would still be here today - maybe even bigger than 20 years ago!


So why do the elite want communism. Because it's a centralized system with no seperation of powers. In a communist country the government controls everything which makes it easier to put a dictator in power and to enslave the people.

I ask you again: why did the Soviet Union collapse? If they wanted "communism" like you say, then why did they allow the USSR to collapse?