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Comrade Castro
24th October 2006, 20:26
Hello comrades, I am relatively new to communism and I was wondering what life would be like after the elimination of capitalism. Not work, but just what people do for fun. Like baseball games, would there be professional athletes? Video games, computers, nice cars and houses, vacations, products made only for fun? Would I still be able to drive to an airfield and fly around a little Cessna for fun? And would the elimination of private property and inheritance apply to absolutely everything, e.g A little toy or a watch my dad gave me when I was young, would items that are totally useless except for their "sentimental value" be taken away from everyone? Would people be allowed to follow their own religions and/or personal beliefs if they do nothing to interfere with communist society? And would there still be individuality, or would life become being basically a tool in a factory? I just want to know whether all those horror stories floating around made by the opponents of communsim actually have any foundation in communist theory. Thank you.

LuXe
24th October 2006, 20:35
What a life this would have been! ^_^

Retirement after 40... Spending all my time drifting from place to place. Of course the largest consumer-brands would have been eliminated and a degree of market-struggle too, but everything else would have weighed this down. We would have more time to spare, chilling out with friends.

What a freedom you would have!

blueeyedboy
24th October 2006, 21:34
Personally, my vision of a communist society is that people will still be able to do what they want to do when they want because there would be shorter working hours and the production which will happen will still produce all the leisurely things I hope. A society like this would cater to everyones needs, be it essential things like food and water, to PS3's and XBOX's. I'm into the graphics cards for PC's, and they would become free, so I would be able to play the latest games at the highest frame rates, for nothing haha.

Seriously, though, I woudn't like to see family gifts and things taken away from me, so I'm with you all the way on that front.

What would everyone else like in a communist society?

RED VICTORY
24th October 2006, 22:50
Life under true communism...our dream, our struggle, our future.
Man, I would love more time to hang with friends and family. And also do those things which we often start and then end up not having time to do. For instance, I've been trying to learn to play guitar for about 3 years and between work and study I never seem to have enough time. We would all have more time to enrich our lives with music, art, or whatever. Ya know under capitalism we spend everyday, usually about 8 or 9 hours, wishing the clock would move a little faster and before we know it life is over because we wanted everyday to move so quickly. Know what I mean?

MrDoom
25th October 2006, 00:24
It depends on how far away you're talking about. Something of a technological level anagulous to our own would be much simpler in many ways.


Like baseball games, would there be professional athletes?
There would certainly be famous players. However, someone that plays games all day and doesn't contribute would likely not be very popular.


Video games, computers, nice cars and houses, vacations, products made only for fun?
Why wouldn't they be around? Communism isn't some Orwellian nightmare where you wake up in a bare concrete-walled room with a telescreen in front of you.


Would I still be able to drive to an airfield and fly around a little Cessna for fun?
Why not? Knock yourself out, so long as you're not denying anyone else anything.


And would the elimination of private property and inheritance apply to absolutely everything, e.g A little toy or a watch my dad gave me when I was young, would items that are totally useless except for their "sentimental value" be taken away from everyone?
Personal property and private property are not the same thing. Of course sentimental gifts will exist.


Would people be allowed to follow their own religions and/or personal beliefs if they do nothing to interfere with communist society?
Religion is the opiate of the masses. While it certainly shouldn't be barred from practice, you can bet that if a disaster occurs and people need homes and factories, the churches and taverns are the first things being torn down and converted.


And would there still be individuality, or would life become being basically a tool in a factory?
Communism is all about individual rights and expression. It is about allowing the common man to explore his full potential without economic or state constraints, without infringing on anyone else's.


I just want to know whether all those horror stories floating around made by the opponents of communsim actually have any foundation in communist theory.
Almost never. Or at least, the facts are distorted and Marxist views misrepresented. Most of what you hear in schools and churches are capitalist lies and propaganda.

BreadBros
25th October 2006, 01:06
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 24, 2006 07:26 pm
I just want to know whether all those horror stories floating around made by the opponents of communsim actually have any foundation in communist theory. Thank you.

Like baseball games, would there be professional athletes?

Hmm, I cant pretend to know the psychological or economic foundations of sports. I would guess that sports would still exist and would still be very popular, there would likely also be very famous good players, but they would not be considered above other individuals or have such out of proportion wealth that they do now.


Video games, computers, nice cars and houses, vacations, products made only for fun?

Products made only for fun: most definitely, although the entire nature of how they would be produced would change. As far as "nice cars and houses", the revolution would likely entail some sort of shift in production to make sure that everyone who needed one could have a car and everyone could have a home. This would take precedence and would likely mean that these may be more standardized or that their would be no luxury cars. As the new economic order settles, the quality of these should go up for everyone however.


Would I still be able to drive to an airfield and fly around a little Cessna for fun?

Yes, I think so.


And would the elimination of private property and inheritance apply to absolutely everything, e.g A little toy or a watch my dad gave me when I was young, would items that are totally useless except for their "sentimental value" be taken away from everyone?

Nope, these are small personal items and would remain personal to a person. Private property is in reference more to capital, means of production, and wealth of that order.


Would people be allowed to follow their own religions and/or personal beliefs if they do nothing to interfere with communist society?

They would be allowed in that they would not be stopped, they would likely be looked down upon however. Believing in supernatural existence does not coincide very much with the materialist viewpoint that allows us to examine history and remake society for ourselves. Debates over the nature of meaning or value of the material world and over spirituality of that nature may be more contentious however.


And would there still be individuality, or would life become being basically a tool in a factory?

There is very little individuality today, while there would be an explosion of it in everyday life under communism. No one would live as a tool in a factory as we would abolish work as we know it itself, and remake the way society produces things.


I just want to know whether all those horror stories floating around made by the opponents of communsim actually have any foundation in communist theory. Thank you.

No, those are nearly all based on the experiences and history of the Soviet Union and People's Republic of China. Communism has never existed on earth. Communism entails the working classes rising up and taking over society from the bourgeois class (which in turn took over society from the aristocratic classes in revolutions such as the French Revolution). However, the nature of the working class means that we will abolish the class system entirely and create communism: a classless, stateless world society. Freedom!

Comrade Castro
25th October 2006, 17:33
All right, thanks for your answers everyone, you've cleared up many questions I had. :)

MrDoom
25th October 2006, 17:59
And don't forget the best part of communism.

NO MORE COMMERCIALS! :D