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SPK
17th October 2006, 23:04
Maybe I don't understand enough about the history of labor struggles in the usa -- and the various forms, good or bad, that they can take. But I found this article to be astounding. Employees at a WalMart walked out to protest new scheduling policies, among other things. But the walkout wasn't led by a labor union. It was led by the employees'.... managers.

What is this? Thoughts?

Wal Mart Workers Walk Out (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/oct2006/db20061017_601244.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index _top+story)

BreadBros
18th October 2006, 02:29
The managers at places like Wal-Mart, stores, restaurants, etc. are not necessarily the suit-and-tie management you're probably envisioning. They're usually just employees who make a bit more and work a bit less, but they're generally working in the store themselves, and probably get pretty bad wages, so I'm not that surprised.

Political_Chucky
18th October 2006, 06:00
Yea, Wal Mart is infamous for its mistreatment of its employers. In most cases however, Mangers are the highly paid workers but as for Wal Mart, I don't think I have heard one person claim that they would really like to stay there for their pay. Shit I don't think I have heard anyone say they want to stay there.

Severian
18th October 2006, 06:29
One of the big issues at Wal-Mart, apparently, has been unpaid, off-the-clock overtime. It's often lower management who ends up doing the biggest amount.

Sometimes people are designated management basically as a scam. They spend most of their time working and just labelled assistant managers to get out of labor laws and dangle a carrot of advancement in front of them. A union would probably seek to get those jobs reclassified as workers, and keep non-union supervisors from doing work.

This is kinda different because of the department managers being involved. Apparently the changes reduced their power over scheduling; the article also says managers and workers are both part of a "tight-knit....predominantly Spanish-language community near Miami".

What the heck, sometimes a division among bosses gives workers a little opening. Helps get things moving - which sometimes goes past the disaffected bosses' intentions.

rouchambeau
23rd October 2006, 22:12
I'm very skeptical. Of course, managers and the other workers are of the same class, but the power dynamic leaves me a little troubled.

violencia.Proletariat
23rd October 2006, 22:34
These were department managers correct? These people most likely have no hire/fire power and therefore have no real authority. They are probably just responsible for keeping their section up/scheduling/etc.

SPK
25th October 2006, 04:49
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2006 04:12 pm
I'm very skeptical. Of course, managers and the other workers are of the same class, but the power dynamic leaves me a little troubled.
Yeah, I understand that the federal government has been changing the Fair Labor Standards Act, particularly over the past two years or so, so as to reduce the number of workers getting overtime in the usa. That has been done by, among other things, reclassifying people as managers so that they are not eligible for overtime pay. For example, someone who oversees two or more people and who has the abililty to hire and fire, or even recommend to hire and fire, is now considered a manager -- a pretty broad definition. That particular change to the FLSA was passed in 2004.

Now, Congress is considering even more significant changes. Any employee who spends more than 10-15% of their time at work overseeing another person -- even just one -- and who exercises "independent judgement" could be classified as a supervisor and thus be made ineligible for union membership. That is very broad, too (ever trained a new person at your job? then you were overseeing their work). This is clearly being done to further weaken the already ailing organized labor base in this country.

So, yes, those managers WalMart should probably be considered members of the working class, since their situation is not in many respects different from other workers' (they certainly put in a lot of hours). There will be many others like them in the near future -- people who magically migrate from "worker" to "manager" through governmental fiat. What struck me most about the article I linked, though, was this: even though those folks managerial responsibilities were likely limited, they were still the ones who led the walkout. I agree with rouchambeau: that is problematic. Working peoples' movements should not replicate the kind of negative power relations that we see in the workplace, where one category of people make the decisions and another category simply follow. Workers certainly shouldn't be taking orders from a manager in the workplace and then... taking direction from the same people in labor struggles. :wacko:

I've never really heard of anything like this in the usa. Managers historically (?) have had a vested interest in serving their company and an ideological attachment to their position and strata: for instance, management during many labor actions would go to the assembly lines and attempt to perform the work normally done by the striking workers, to keep production going. For a major corporation like WalMart to create a section of management that is, at least on the surface, unreliable -- this is most curious.